That tackle on Maxi

HighfieldSeasider said:
He jumped in with both feet off the ground, irrelevant of who made contact with whom it was reckless and endangered the safety of an opponent, should have been a red card and I guarantee if it was the other way around we would have been down to 10 men.
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Yep he was not in control and a split second either way Maxwell was off on a stretcher so contact or not that was red all day long for me.
 
it's a strange one this. Players attempts to block an opponent clearing the ball can often lead to the player clearing the ball follow thru kicking the blocker. And it's the clearer of the ball who often comes off worse in these situations and leads to the blocker getting booked. Yet is the blocker really doing anything wrong? And in todays instance he didn't jump in to Maxwell, he simply jumped in to an area to try and block the ball. It was Maxwell who made the contact with him. For me, it's a very grey area.
 
20togo said:
it's a strange one this. Players attempts to block an opponent clearing the ball can often lead to the player clearing the ball follow thru kicking the blocker. And it's the clearer of the ball who often comes off worse in these situations and leads to the blocker getting booked. Yet is the blocker really doing anything wrong? And in todays instance he didn't jump in to Maxwell, he simply jumped in to an area to try and block the ball. It was Maxwell who made the contact with him. For me, it's a very grey area.
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Had he gone near Maxwell like that he'd have gone.

However as you say it was more a lunge to stop the ball ahead of Maxwell.

But Maxwell had the ball and was in control of it, when he kicked it he has every right to be able to kick it freely.

I havent seen it again since but people saying he kicked the guy, whereas if his foot after kicking the ball was hit by the player he'd have gone?
 
JJpool said:
Had he gone near Maxwell like that he'd have gone.

However as you say it was more a lunge to stop the ball ahead of Maxwell.

But Maxwell had the ball and was in control of it, when he kicked it he has every right to be able to kick it freely.

I havent seen it again since but people saying he kicked the guy, whereas if his foot after kicking the ball was hit by the player he'd have gone?
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As founts said their player only attempted to block the ball, the contact was made by Maxwell. The point is that anyone kicking a ball has some sort of follow through and that has to be taken into account too. It's why I said it's a grey area. If VAR did look at it and i assume they did, it is why it was only a yellow card. If there hadn't been VAR then i reckon that it could have been seen/interpreted differently by any other referee. And why i said it's a grey area.
 
Wouldn't have even been a yellow for me. Maybe ref saying to player yes I know you've picked up on him dithering to get the ball under control to make a kick but don't go overboard on it when you're closing down.
 
20togo said:
As founts said their player only attempted to block the ball, the contact was made by Maxwell. The point is that anyone kicking a ball has some sort of follow through and that has to be taken into account too. It's why I said it's a grey area. If VAR did look at it and i assume they did, it is why it was only a yellow card. If there hadn't been VAR then i reckon that it could have been seen/interpreted differently by any other referee. And why i said it's a grey area.
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I may be wrong, but people on here saying a red were at the game. From that angle you wouldn’t see the players movement away from c. The ref would have seen that movement and be confident that var would have a look.
 
20togo said:
As founts said their player only attempted to block the ball, the contact was made by Maxwell. The point is that anyone kicking a ball has some sort of follow through and that has to be taken into account too. It's why I said it's a grey area. If VAR did look at it and i assume they did, it is why it was only a yellow card. If there hadn't been VAR then i reckon that it could have been seen/interpreted differently by any other referee. And why i said it's a grey area.
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Yeah, right decision for me anyway. Would have loved a red but it wasn't.

Doesn't mean we wouldn't have got one though the other way...

Either way they were there for the taking but despite coming on strong 2nd half we didn't show enough quality in the final 3rd to get another back.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Maxwell kicked their striker. Only a yellow he jumper with two feet.

Right decision.
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When you go back to the Carey sending off earlier in the season for what was violent conduct, how do you judge a high two footed studs up off the ground lunge. And then give the same yellow card punishment for a tangle.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but I feel I need to point out that Chizzy instantly called it a straight red.

For anyone who feels undecided.
 
Thornton61 said:
FFS he was two footed in the air & not in control of his challenge wether he was trying to block the clearance or not.🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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Didn't look like an attempt to harm though. Just picked up on Maxwell taking forever and a day.

Flip it and their fella doing the same and Yates takes the man out (like he did recently somewhere, was it Hull?) and nobody's crying.
 
poolfc said:
Didn't look like an attempt to harm though. Just picked up on Maxwell taking forever and a day.

Flip it and their fella doing the same and Yates takes the man out (like he did recently somewhere, was it Hull?) and nobody's crying.
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Don’t have an issue with anyone trying to block a clearance.If they miss it & the guy follows through it’s going to be a Yelp-right or wrong.The Southampton guy left the ground & it was two footed & not in control.Case rested.
 
Thornton61 said:
Don’t have an issue with anyone trying to block a clearance.If they miss it & the guy follows through it’s going to be a Yelp-right or wrong.The Southampton guy left the ground & it was two footed & not in control.Case rested.
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That's fair. I didn't see it as out of control. Was just concerned that CM had got himself injured by taking too long to make his move. He'd had a couple of warnings just before it.
 
poolfc said:
That's fair. I didn't see it as out of control. Was just concerned that CM had got himself injured by taking too long to make his move. He'd had a couple of warnings just before it.
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Yep Maxi takes a bit to get shut.And can see attackers closing him down.But these days apparently if you leave the ground & not in control of a challenge Ur in trouble.Unless you have a premier league referee at a premier league ground with VAR.🤷‍♂️
 
Simonized said:
Yep he was not in control and a split second either way Maxwell was off on a stretcher so contact or not that was red all day long for me.
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Totally agree. Replay showed both feet off the ground, with studs showing. You can’t lunge in like that!
So. When has anyone see that happen before? Sure it has but can’t recall.
Straight red for me. (Tin hat already on)
 
He was nowhere near Maxwell, who simply kicked him when clearing the ball.
We'd be moaning like mad if it was Nadine getting sent off for similar.
 
It was far worse than the red cards Carey and Lavery received. VAR didn't change the on field decision because it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Personally I think it should have been a red card. It was 2 footed, studs raised and out of control. The whole point of that rule isn't for a player to need to make contact, nor is it about intent, its purely to do with the risk of seriously injuring a player. I said on another thread, I'd wager the Prem ref would have shown a different colour had it been Yates on Big Willy.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
He was nowhere near Maxwell, who simply kicked him when clearing the ball.
We'd be moaning like mad if it was Nadine getting sent off for similar.
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Absolute nonsense, what's Maxwell supposed to do when he kicks the ball, instantly pull his foot back? His clearances wouldn't go very far at all if he doesn't follow through.

The lad jumps in with 2 feet off the ground, if Maxwell takes a step forward in that situation he can't control his movement and Maxwell probably gets a broken leg.

People saying Maxwell makes contact with their lad, that's completely irrelevant, it's like someone getting knocked over by a car doing 80mph in a 30mph zone, just because they step out into the road doesn't mean the driver isn't at fault for recklessly speeding.
 
Thornton61 said:
Straight red all day long.Must of missed the rule change.2 footed lunge off the air not in control of tackle.Yes Maxi kicked him but he was in the air.So even one footed it’s a yellow.
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you get it wrong when you say tackle. A tackle is when you commit to tackling a player. Their player didn't attempt to tackle Maxwell he attempted to block the ball after it had left Maxwells foot. The clue is in Maxwell made contact with him not the other way round. So if you think it's a tackle then who tackled who?
 
Ref got it right for me a yellow card.

Yes it was a lunge with both feet off the ground but it wasn’t at Maxwell he was simply trying to block the ball from being kicked upfield and as others have said Maxwell actually kicked him to get the injury.

No ref is ever going to give a red card for that and rightly so and no VAR will overturn it as was the case yesterday.
 
20togo said:
you get it wrong when you say tackle. A tackle is when you commit to tackling a player. Their player didn't attempt to tackle Maxwell he attempted to block the ball after it had left Maxwells foot.
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Again, completely irrelevant, it's a 2 footed lunge, if he makes contact with Maxwells leg he probably breaks it. If that isn't endangering the safety of an opponent I don't know what is?
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
Absolute nonsense, what's Maxwell supposed to do when he kicks the ball, instantly pull his foot back? His clearances wouldn't go very far at all if he doesn't follow through.

The lad jumps in with 2 feet off the ground, if Maxwell takes a step forward in that situation he can't control his movement and Maxwell probably gets a broken leg.

People saying Maxwell makes contact with their lad, that's completely irrelevant, it's like someone getting knocked over by a car doing 80mph in a 30mph zone, just because they step out into the road doesn't mean the driver isn't at fault for recklessly speeding.
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not nonsense at all. As i first said it's a grey area. You get it wrong because the angle of his lunge was never at MAXWELL
 
rememberlesshannon said:
He was nowhere near Maxwell, who simply kicked him when clearing the ball.
We'd be moaning like mad if it was Nadine getting sent off for similar.
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He must have been close enough for Maxwell to make contact when clearing the ball.

Red for me if you stick to the rules. The rules state it makes no difference if going for player or ball.
The rule was changed for consistency despite the outcome of the challenge.
 
I think the key is that was off the ground with both feet and had the studs showing...I dont think it was malicious and that saved him as the ref gave benefit of the doubt but I think they could have had little complaint if he had been off. As others have said if it were the other way you wouldnt have been surprised to see our man off.
 
Has anyone got a video clip of this? Was trying to explain to my other half who isn’t a Blackpool fan but he says he would prefer to see it to say what he thinks
 
Law 12 states "
SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play"

Haven't seen the incident personally
 
20togo said:
it's a strange one this. Players attempts to block an opponent clearing the ball can often lead to the player clearing the ball follow thru kicking the blocker. And it's the clearer of the ball who often comes off worse in these situations and leads to the blocker getting booked. Yet is the blocker really doing anything wrong? And in todays instance he didn't jump in to Maxwell, he simply jumped in to an area to try and block the ball. It was Maxwell who made the contact with him. For me, it's a very grey area.
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Spot on Pete.
 
Yep, 2 feet in the air, studs showing, a definite red if he's anywhere near a player.

He wasn't though. Blocking space for the clearance nothing more than that
 
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