The Conservative "Party"

I would guess that Boris will say the only things he can about this party.

Having investigated, I find that there was a party attended by various civil servants. I knew nothing about this and everyone will be reminded of their responsibilities. It was unforgivable to hold a party during tier 3 restrictions, when everyone else was following the rules and not seeing loved ones.

im announcing today that the Conservative party will hold a leadership election and I will be putting my name forward.
 
I've only had one eye on this development.

So a couple of things.

IF this party happened, who was in attendance? Was it a party of ministers or Civil servants or the Tory party staff?

The 'press conference' was attended by civil servants. IF they were at the party, then it shows why Dominic Cummins says they aren't fit for purpose.

I will also say that the PM's official spokesperson stated "imaginary party" so they have their excuse ready.

Meanwhile, I think there will be some people, who did the right thing who will be rightly upset at the hypocrisy; for those of us who interpreted the rules and apply the ones within the context of our lives, then are probably a little more relaxed about a few people who we don't know, having a few drinks at the end of a shit year.
 
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20togo said:
go on then one more point. So what? Some-one is more "entitled" than me? Does it affect how I live my life? Does it fcuk, yet it drives so many on here to outright hatred. Find that rather sad.
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People were stopped from seeing relatives who then died, but its OK for 40 or 50 to get together in Downing St for a party, and then brag about it, like Rees Mogg? And we shouldn't be annoyed by it?

People should be angry. The fact they're not shows how spineless and duped they are.
 
Wizaard said:
People were stopped from seeing relatives who then died, but its OK for 40 or 50 to get together in Downing St for a party, and then brag about it, like Rees Mogg? And we shouldn't be annoyed by it?

People should be angry. The fact they're not shows how spineless and duped they are.
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I'm not spineless; far from it - I've challenged all sorts of people up to and including sitting Prime Ministers on a whole variety of subjects.

It's what we don't know that's currently dictating my reaction.

IF it was Civil Servants there's one response.
IF it was Tory Party staff, then there's another
IF it was our elected representatives then there's another response again.

IF all three and (say) the press are in attendance, well, there's a completely different response to this.

Having been in 10 Downing Street, I can easily see how people in the living quarters could be completely unaware of an illegal gathering in there; I'm confident that loads of PM's have had stuff taking place in there without the first idea that it's happening or what it's about. It's why we need to know who was there.

If the Civil Service decided to have a shin dig, without informing the Ministers, and then lied to cover it up, so they didn't get sacked, then you cannot blame the Government. You can though take a disciplinary route to deal with it it. Same with Conservative Party staff.

If it was attended by Ministers, then I think it's fair to those who have religiously followed the rules to be rightfully angry. For those of us who haven't, then we are as hypocritical as those attending the 'party'.

I've chosen to implement the rules which I think are suitable for my life and taken decisions which are based on that; I think there are probably lots of people like me.

Time will tell who was there and I think at that point, we should make our own minds up about the reaction; until then, I can see how Ministers could well believe they were telling the truth that this hadn't happened; they are innocent until proven guilty too.
 
20togo said:
That's good to hear. Here's a thought. Maybe you shouldn't get so uptight over something you've no control over because from your posts you do seem very bitter. And I think it logical to think that some-one who is so critical so often is clearly angry too.
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Are you joking, the man who bursts a blood vessel whenever Cat posts is telling people to relax?

You're a hypocrite.

If Covid gets bad again this winter people won't follow the rules, the parties are an unforgiveable breach of trust.
 
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I'm not spineless; far from it - I've challenged all sorts of people up to and including sitting Prime Ministers on a whole variety of subjects.

It's what we don't know that's currently dictating my reaction.

IF it was Civil Servants there's one response.
IF it was Tory Party staff, then there's another
IF it was our elected representatives then there's another response again.

IF all three and (say) the press are in attendance, well, there's a completely different response to this.

Having been in 10 Downing Street, I can easily see how people in the living quarters could be completely unaware of an illegal gathering in there; I'm confident that loads of PM's have had stuff taking place in there without the first idea that it's happening or what it's about. It's why we need to know who was there.

If the Civil Service decided to have a shin dig, without informing the Ministers, and then lied to cover it up, so they didn't get sacked, then you cannot blame the Government. You can though take a disciplinary route to deal with it it. Same with Conservative Party staff.

If it was attended by Ministers, then I think it's fair to those who have religiously followed the rules to be rightfully angry. For those of us who haven't, then we are as hypocritical as those attending the 'party'.

I've chosen to implement the rules which I think are suitable for my life and taken decisions which are based on that; I think there are probably lots of people like me.

Time will tell who was there and I think at that point, we should make our own minds up about the reaction; until then, I can see how Ministers could well believe they were telling the truth that this hadn't happened; they are innocent until proven guilty too.
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It's fairly clear that the likes of Allegra Stratton were there and it's emerging that Gavin Williamson hosted something similar.

He could be the sacrifice that Boris needs.
 
Wizaard said:
It's fairly clear that the likes of Allegra Stratton were there and it's emerging that Gavin Williamson hosted something similar.

He could be the sacrifice that Boris needs.
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If they are there and known to have lied, there's a whole lot which need to resign/be sacked.

The long term damage is that it now adds to the Covid doubters arsenal.

"If it was that dangerous, why would they hold a party in number 10 at Christmas" every attempt to impose a decision around Covid is probably fatally undermined.

It's going to be de facto advisories from this point forward; which won't be a change for many people, but will for others.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Are you joking, the man who bursts a blood vessel whenever Cat posts is telling people to relax?

You're a hypocrite.
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Don't burst a blood vessel at all. I just tell Car that he's a liar which he is. On more than one occasion too! A poster who likes to start threads accusing others of lying yet seems to have no problem lying himself.
And you say I'm the hypocrite! Brilliant.🤣
And at least I can talk about something else.
 
20togo said:
Don't burst a blood vessel at all. I just tell Car that he's a liar which he is. On more than one occasion too! A poster who likes to start threads accusing others of lying yet seems to have no problem lying himself.
And you say I'm the hypocrite! Brilliant.🤣
And at least I can talk about something else.
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Ok then.
 
TSSeasider said:
I've only had one eye on this development.

So a couple of things.

IF this party happened, who was in attendance? Was it a party of ministers or Civil servants or the Tory party staff?

The 'press conference' was attended by civil servants. IF they were at the party, then it shows why Dominic Cummins says they aren't fit for purpose.

I will also say that the PM's official spokesperson stated "imaginary party" so they have their excuse ready.

Meanwhile, I think there will be some people, who did the right thing who will be rightly upset at the hypocrisy; for those of us who interpreted the rules and apply the ones within the context of our lives, then are probably a little more relaxed about a few people who we don't know, having a few drinks at the end of a shit year.
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They weren't all Civil Servants at the 'mock press conference'. The guy who asked about the party is Boris Johnson's SPAD - they obviousy knew they were potentially had a problem with the party a year ago, hence the question and probably why the planned press conference was subsequently cancelled.

The notion that Johnson's SPAD was aware of the party and realised it could potentiall be problematic and did not let Johnson know is frankly risible.
 
20togo said:
no problem. Not for me at least. Think you should be directing your comment at EPM46 too. He seems very angry.
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Are you an amateur psychiatrist as well? I am not angry, just realistic! Why don’t you crawl back under your stone? I’m told that mushrooms prosper in the dark!
 
20togo said:
no problem. Not for me at least. Think you should be directing your comment at EPM46 too. He seems very angry.
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Why do you always have to insist that those who disagree with you have some kind of personality defect? So far on this thread alone EP is angry, Cat is a pathological liar and Shandy is ironically, bitter.

All while telling us you don't care and insisting that those who question this government are 'full of anger'.

The thread is about a serious breach of Covid rules by the very people making the Covid rules, have you nothing to add beyond cod physcology of other posters?

If anyone clicks through your post history they will immediately see that 99.99% of your posts on this side of the forum are passive aggressive name calling of other posters.
 
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Are you an amateur psychiatrist as well? I am not angry, just realistic! Why don’t you crawl back under your stone? I’m told that mushrooms prosper in the dark!
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Your thread suggests you are very angry. Every thread you start is abusive just like your post here. Do you actually comment on anything else?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Why do you always have to insist that those who disagree with you have some kind of personality defect? So far on this thread alone EP is angry, Cat is a pathological liar and Shandy is ironically, bitter.

All while telling us you don't care and insisting that those who question this government are 'full of anger'.

The thread is about a serious breach of Covid rules by the very people making the Covid rules, have you nothing to add beyond cod physcology of other posters?
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Think you'll find you need to read my posts properly. Clearly you missed where I said earlier today that if the alleged party happened then it's pretty shameful. But hey, not a problem.
 
20togo said:
Your thread suggests you are very angry. Every thread you start is abusive just like your post here. Do you actually comment on anything else?
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The hypocrisy of this shower in charge is enough to make anyone angry, surely?
 
20togo said:
Think you'll find you need to read my posts properly. Clearly you missed where I said earlier today that if the alleged party happened then it's pretty shameful. But hey, not a problem.
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Alleged? So the video footage isn't enough for you?

Even the Daily Mail, staunch Tory defenders as they are, thinks this is beyond the pale.
 
20togo said:
Think you'll find you need to read my posts properly. Clearly you missed where I said earlier today that if the alleged party happened then it's pretty shameful. But hey, not a problem.
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But why are virtually all your replies calling people names?
 
Wizaard said:
Alleged? So the video footage isn't enough for you?

Even the Daily Mail, staunch Tory defenders as they are, thinks this is beyond the pale.
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I'm not an avid follower of the news clearly as you as I'm more interested in the sport. Sorry if that doesn't suit. The only clip I've seen is some woman sounding deliberately half pissed doing a fake press conference.
 
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But why are virtually all your replies calling people names?
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because that's how some seem to come across on here. I'd suggest EPM46's post is calling some-one names because it's abusive. If you want to suggest it's not then I'd be interested to know why you think it's not. And I'm not sure that suggesting some-one is angry is particularly calling them names.
 
The sad thing is that PMQ's is much anticipated today now but will be a waste of time. Johnson will have a pre prepared angry rant about Labour and completely ignore Starmers question. The speaker just let's him get away with it . Every week. As much as the Tories annoy me so does Lindsay Hoyle for letting that buffoon off the hook repeatedly. It's a farce.
 
TSSeasider said:
It's what we don't know that's currently dictating my reaction.

IF it was Civil Servants there's one response.
IF it was Tory Party staff, then there's another
IF it was our elected representatives then there's another response again.

IF all three and (say) the press are in attendance, well, there's a completely different response to this.
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It's also a question of size and context.

If some office workers who spend all day in close contact anyway decide to stay after work, open a bottle of wine, have a few snacks, maybe put on some music and play a few games that's one thing, and is arguably "within the rules".

If it's people who don't normally work together, who have come into the building specifically for the party that's something else entirely.

What is clear is that there's a great deal we do not know, but my suspicion is that it's a case of the former, mostly civil servants and others who would normally be there, but it is being spun for all it's worth as a massive p*** up involving ministers and the PM.

Politics and the media in action.
 
20togo said:
because that's how some seem to come across on here. I'd suggest EPM46's post is calling some-one names because it's abusive. If you want to suggest it's not then I'd be interested to know why you think it's not. And I'm not sure that suggesting some-one is angry is particularly calling them names.
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It's not 'some' though, it's everyone you disagree with.
 
PNENIL said:
The sad thing is that PMQ's is much anticipated today now but will be a waste of time. Johnson will have a pre prepared angry rant about Labour and completely ignore Starmers question. The speaker just let's him get away with it . Every week. As much as the Tories annoy me so does Lindsay Hoyle for letting that buffoon off the hook repeatedly. It's a farce.
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The speaker is weak, He should close Johnson down when he doesn't answer a question or asks Starmer a question as an answer.
TBF dealing with someone like Johnson who doesn't care about obeying rules or procedure and tells lies whenever necessary must be difficult
 
Lost Seasider said:
It's also a question of size and context.

If some office workers who spend all day in close contact anyway decide to stay after work, open a bottle of wine, have a few snacks, maybe put on some music and play a few games that's one thing, and is arguably "within the rules".

If it's people who don't normally work together, who have come into the building specifically for the party that's something else entirely.

What is clear is that there's a great deal we do not know, but my suspicion is that it's a case of the former, mostly civil servants and others who would normally be there, but it is being spun for all it's worth as a massive p*** up involving ministers and the PM.

Politics and the media in action.
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Straight from Conservative Central Office. Trivialise it and hopefully it will all go away.
 
Just listened to a journalist on radio 2 who was in tears, she buried brother under strict covid regulations, whilst they had a party. What's more disgusting , Johnson now admitting it happened but blaming his underlings. Vile man totally and utterly unfit for any role in politics. Let's get an adult in charge, the tories do have them.
 
So Johnson's response is to deny there was a party despite the video showing his own staff joking about the party and then suggesting we all forget the past?
 
Lost Seasider said:
First rule of spin: tell the truth.
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This government continually gets into trouble because of its lies. If they were honest about their short comings and failures a lot of people would forgive them. Today, Johnson's approach has just ensured that this story remains in the public eye, the drip feed of revelations will continue and he will be shown to be a liar all over again.
 
So Johnson is “sickened” by a party that didn’t happen but if it had it certainly didn’t break any COVID restrictions but will have an inquiry anyway which will produce nothing of interest but absolves everybody if they were or were not at the party that didn’t happen but if it did happen in the building in which he lives then it certainly didn’t break any rules.

He can’t be any clearer than that other than to say it was the staff that did it and it definitely wasn’t him but if it didn’t happen then he apologises for the briefing that never happened but ITV News got hold of.

Meanwhile nobody outside the Westminster bubble is remotely interested in this sort lets just forget about it shall we because the Police don’t investigate things that happened a year ago.
 
Bottle said:
So Johnson is “sickened” by a party that didn’t happen but if it had it certainly didn’t break any COVID restrictions but will have an inquiry anyway which will produce nothing of interest but absolves everybody if they were or were not at the party that didn’t happen but if it did happen in the building in which he lives then it certainly didn’t break any rules.

He can’t be any clearer than that other than to say it was the staff that did it and it definitely wasn’t him but if it didn’t happen then he apologises for the briefing that never happened but ITV News got hold of.

Meanwhile nobody outside the Westminster bubble is remotely interested in this sort lets just forget about it shall we because the Police don’t investigate things that happened a year ago.
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It gets better, No 10 won't deny that the Cabinet Secretary investigating the party attended the party.
 
TSSeasider said:
If they are there and known to have lied, there's a whole lot which need to resign/be sacked.

The long term damage is that it now adds to the Covid doubters arsenal.

"If it was that dangerous, why would they hold a party in number 10 at Christmas" every attempt to impose a decision around Covid is probably fatally undermined.

It's going to be de facto advisories from this point forward; which won't be a change for many people, but will for others.
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Allegra's actual words were, 'it wasn't a party, it was cheese and wine'. A totally different world from the rest of us.

Plus she is called Allegra.
 
Wizaard said:
People were stopped from seeing relatives who then died, but its OK for 40 or 50 to get together in Downing St for a party, and then brag about it, like Rees Mogg? And we shouldn't be annoyed by it?

People should be angry. The fact they're not shows how spineless and duped they are.
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Meanwhile a maximum of 30 were allowed at a funeral. But yeah anyone who lost a loved one during that time should just chill out and be relaxed about the bourgeoisie not sticking to the rules they created purely for us plebs
 
Wizaard said:
Allegra's actual words were, 'it wasn't a party, it was cheese and wine'. A totally different world from the rest of us.

Plus she is called Allegra.
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Her name being Allegra is neither here nor there and provided it was red wine I'll let it pass BUT the employees have obviously misled some parliamentarians about what's gone on and I'd expect her resignation will be followed by a fair few others in quick succession.

That said, I'm not surprised they are briefing about a new wave of restrictions to shift everybody's attention elsewhere.

Funny thing is, awarding contracts to your mates is forgivable for loads of people, getting pissed at a Christmas do when I'm not allowed isn't!
 
TSSeasider said:
Funny thing is, awarding contracts to your mates is forgivable for loads of people, getting pissed at a Christmas do when I'm not allowed isn't!
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It is a lot more serious than that, it completely pulls the rug out from under the scientific community who've been trying to solve these problems.

There's already a gang of self appointed Google science experts telling us how all the measures are wrong, now the government have just added a great can of petrol to their deluded flame.

Now the gobshite fuckers sat at their PCs who think they know better than scientists have a platform.
 
TSSeasider said:
Her name being Allegra is neither here nor there and provided it was red wine I'll let it pass BUT the employees have obviously misled some parliamentarians about what's gone on and I'd expect her resignation will be followed by a fair few others in quick succession.

That said, I'm not surprised they are briefing about a new wave of restrictions to shift everybody's attention elsewhere.

Funny thing is, awarding contracts to your mates is forgivable for loads of people, getting pissed at a Christmas do when I'm not allowed isn't!
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Her resignation is a tacit admission that it happened. Once again we have a PM who knew the rules had been broken and simply let it slide, assuming he wasn't actually there. That should be the death knell for him, but we know there is no such thing as a resigning matter for him or his acolytes.
 
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Her resignation is a tacit admission that it happened. Once again we have a PM who knew the rules had been broken and simply let it slide, assuming he wasn't actually there. That should be the death knell for him, but we know there is no such thing as a resigning matter for him or his acolytes.
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I want to know what he knew when. IF he knew and I've said before, I can well believe that a gathering of 50 people in Downing Street wouldn't be noticed, if they weren't blasting out CD3 from Now That's What I Call Christmas 2020; then tbf he's been misled.

IF he knew and though he could ignore it and lie, then irrespective of the really petty nature of the complaint, then he should go.

The Tories will get rid when he's more liability than asset - this might be it.

However as @Lala has rightly pointed out elsewhere; there's not a great deal of choice amongst this lot; or indeed across the House more generally.
 
TSSeasider said:
I want to know what he knew when. IF he knew and I've said before, I can well believe that a gathering of 50 people in Downing Street wouldn't be noticed, if they weren't blasting out CD3 from Now That's What I Call Christmas 2020; then tbf he's been misled.

IF he knew and though he could ignore it and lie, then irrespective of the really petty nature of the complaint, then he should go.

The Tories will get rid when he's more liability than asset - this might be it.

However as @Lala has rightly pointed out elsewhere; there's not a great deal of choice amongst this lot; or indeed across the House more generally.
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This is his Press Secretary, someone he would meet every single day. There is no way a gathering like that wouldn't have been spoken about. He must have been aware of it.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It is a lot more serious than that, it completely pulls the rug out from under the scientific community who've been trying to solve these problems.

There's already a gang of self appointed Google science experts telling us how all the measures are wrong, now the government have just added a great can of petrol to their deluded flame.

Now the gobshite fuckers sat at their PCs who think they know better than scientists have a platform.
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Oh I completely agree; I've mentioned in one of my posts, it gives more to the arsenal of the Covid sceptics; "If it was that dangerous they wouldn't allow a party in 10 Downing Street now would they," but for most who accept Covid is real; it's still a bigger issue than spending too much on PPE that didn't work from your mates.
 
Wizaard said:
This is his Press Secretary, someone he would meet every single day. There is no way a gathering like that wouldn't have been spoken about. He must have been aware of it.
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Possibly; but if it was an impromptu gathering after work or something; then maybe not.

They'll have loads of wine and cheese knocking about; they didn't appear to order in, so he might have been elsewhere in the property, listening to Carrie about the new wallpaper she wanted.

I honestly think there are circumstances where he wouldn't know about it happening. The issue remains, when did he know and whether he's lied and worse, got other people to lie too.

Mind, if he doesn't know, or has been misinformed, it suggests a bit of a cultural issue; something like Tony Blairs Government for Couch and without formal minutes. The staff are playing because either they think it's acceptable or the boss will look the other way. Neither are acceptable.
 
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