The sneering BBC

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Does she post on here (see below)?

www.independent.co.uk

Love the flag or ‘move to another country’, Conservative MP says

‘If people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK’
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It is slightly alarming that an elected MP feels free to say this sort of thing. And what does 'love the flag' even mean? I am proud of our long history in the UK of the freedom of thought and expression and this includes the right for people to say things that other people don't agree with. I'd say that the sort of sentiments she is expressing are not truly British values, they actually belong in other more repressive, authoritarian countries. For me, at least this sort of thing is a worrying trend.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Does she post on here (see below)?

www.independent.co.uk

Love the flag or ‘move to another country’, Conservative MP says

‘If people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


It is slightly alarming that an elected MP feels free to say this sort of thing. And what does 'love the flag' even mean? I am proud of our long history in the UK of the freedom of thought and expression and this includes the right for people to say things that other people don't agree with. I'd say that the sort of sentiments she is expressing are not truly British values, they actually belong in other more repressive, authoritarian countries. For me, at least this sort of thing is a worrying trend.
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I find it alarming that you criticise those who defend the waving of the Union flag and who show pride in their country, yet you have nothing to say about the poster who posts a picture of the Isis flag for the sole intention of trying to antagonise people. Is that a case of you being tolerant when it suits your argument to be so..Why do I somehow think that you believe the left are the guardians of the high moral ground when it's all based on double standards.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Does she post on here (see below)?

www.independent.co.uk

Love the flag or ‘move to another country’, Conservative MP says

‘If people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


It is slightly alarming that an elected MP feels free to say this sort of thing. And what does 'love the flag' even mean? I am proud of our long history in the UK of the freedom of thought and expression and this includes the right for people to say things that other people don't agree with. I'd say that the sort of sentiments she is expressing are not truly British values, they actually belong in other more repressive, authoritarian countries. For me, at least this sort of thing is a worrying trend.
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I’m not too alarmed to be honest. It’s one way for an obscure MP, no one has ever heard of, to raise her profile I suppose.

Although I agree that people who express this sort of sentiment often turn out to be nasty individuals in real life as well.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’m not too alarmed to be honest. It’s one way for an obscure MP, no one has ever heard of, to raise her profile I suppose.

Although I agree that people who express this sort of sentiment often turn out to be nasty individuals in real life as well.
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Yes as an isolated incident it is trivial.
But it represents the current political climate.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes as an isolated incident it is trivial.
But it represents the current political climate.
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Well I’m afraid we’re going to have to get used to more of it, what with GB TV on the horizon and a government with a vested interest in stoking up the Culture Wars. It’s a very effective way of diverting attention away from real issues they don’t want discussed.

Let’s stir up a bunfight over a statue or a flag so people don’t ask too many questions about the contract we’ve just awarded to Sebastian or my inept performance as a minister.

I’m not surprised that it’s Honest Bob Jenrick at the root of this current spat to be honest. He has a track record.
 
20togo said:
I find it alarming that you criticise those who defend the waving of the Union flag and who show pride in their country, yet you have nothing to say about the poster who posts a picture of the Isis flag for the sole intention of trying to antagonise people. Is that a case of you being tolerant when it suits your argument to be so..Why do I somehow think that you believe the left are the guardians of the high moral ground when it's all based on double standards.
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Flags are used to distract people when we should be talking about, people's standards of living, their communities and having a fulfilling life. These things matter far more to me, it is after all a symbol, it's meaning and significance are in the minds of people and exist only as much as they are commonly agreed. Things that are not symbolic such as how we treat each other, food, the state of our town, housing and heating are the things I'd prefer to have pride in.

The ISIS photo someone posted, as I'm sure you already know was not in support of ISIS. It was focusing on the sort of people and ideologies that tend to use flags to demand a show of loyalty and persecute those who don't.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Does she post on here (see below)?

www.independent.co.uk

Love the flag or ‘move to another country’, Conservative MP says

‘If people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


It is slightly alarming that an elected MP feels free to say this sort of thing. And what does 'love the flag' even mean? I am proud of our long history in the UK of the freedom of thought and expression and this includes the right for people to say things that other people don't agree with. I'd say that the sort of sentiments she is expressing are not truly British values, they actually belong in other more repressive, authoritarian countries. For me, at least this sort of thing is a worrying trend.
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Wonder what theyre going to do when the blue all disappears from the Union flag? Will they be as proud?
 
Foolweary said:
Flags are used to distract people when we should be talking about, people's standards of living, their communities and having a fulfilling life. These things matter far more to me, it is after all a symbol, it's meaning and significance are in the minds of people and exist only as much as they are commonly agreed. Things that are not symbolic such as how we treat each other, food, the state of our town, housing and heating are the things I'd prefer to have pride in.

The ISIS photo someone posted, as I'm sure you already know was not in support of ISIS. It was focusing on the sort of people and ideologies that tend to use flags to demand a show of loyalty and persecute those who don't.
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clearly you are incapable of reading what I said because it doesn't suit your point to do so. I said he posted the ISIS picture with the sole intention of trying to antagonise people. The same way he uses the symbol of the black power movement as his avatar.
As for your first para, why shouldn't people wave,fly or hang up the Union flag when they want to celebrate. Are you lefties such killjoys that you want to outlaw things that bring so much joy to people. Jeez, 30 odd thousand people at Wembley decked out in tangerine in 2010 celebrating when we should all have been wearing black and thinking of all the problems with our town. How selfish we all are. How sad life must be for you to only have negative thoughts.
 
20togo said:
As for your first para, why shouldn't people wave,fly or hang up the Union flag when they want to celebrate. Are you lefties such killjoys that you want to outlaw things that bring so much joy to people.
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No, I want people to be able to express their pride in the UK in their own way without criticism from you on how you think it should be done.
 
Foolweary said:
No, I want people to be able to express their pride in the UK in their own way without criticism from you on how you think it should be done.
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but hang on a mo, isn't that what the thread was about in the first place An interview with some-one who had a union flag in the background. And that person being mocked for it. In fact, your post is a pile of shiite. If you hadn't noticed I'm defending the people waving their flags with pride.It's you lot who are criticising it. Go and read EBSN's post where he talks about people waving the flag and it offending people and antagonising them.Jeez, it's not me that's criticising it it's you!.
 
There’s some thick people on this thread. Charlie Stayte was the one who questioned the flag but Naha Munchety is getting all the flak . I wonder why that is? All the Cabinet have the Union Flag in their office he was trying to be funny by saying it wasn’t as big as some of his colleagues have. But doesn’t suit the Daily Mail .
 
Old_Laytonian said:
There’s some thick people on this thread. Charlie Stayte was the one who questioned the flag but Naha Munchety is getting all the flak . I wonder why that is? All the Cabinet have the Union Flag in their office he was trying to be funny by saying it wasn’t as big as some of his colleagues have. But doesn’t suit the Daily Mail .
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Charlie Stayt is as funny as kidney stones. Do you think he would have tried to take the piss out of a politician from any other country with a flag in his office?
 
20togo said:
but hang on a mo, isn't that what the thread was about in the first place An interview with some-one who had a union flag in the background. And that person being mocked for it. In fact, your post is a pile of shiite. If you hadn't noticed I'm defending the people waving their flags with pride.It's you lot who are criticising it. Go and read EBSN's post where he talks about people waving the flag and it offending people and antagonising them.Jeez, it's not me that's criticising it it's you!.
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I've no problem with flag waving as such and it can be a wonderful sight when we come together as a country in celebration of our ideals and togetherness.
I have a huge ** problem with certain extreme groups like the old NF and more recently the EDL etc etc using it as a vehicle to promote hatred and division. They were shitting on it imo.
I suppose I should get past that.
I also think this whole BBC thing is an attempt by those who would see it die to stir up something that isn't there. Stayt was taking the piss out of the flag in a sense but was more making a joke about the obvious instructions given to all ministers. And it's...err...size (edited).
 
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Tangojoe said:
Charlie Stayt is as funny as kidney stones. Do you think he would have tried to take the piss out of a politician from any other country with a flag in his office?
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Not bothered really. I read the Daily Mail but usually give up after the sport. Charlie Stayt also wears bright socks which pisses me off more
 
southshorepool said:
I've no problem with flag waving as such and it can be a wonderful sight when we come together as a country in celebration of our ideals and togetherness.
I have a huge ** problem with certain extreme groups like the old NF and more recently the EDL etc etc using it as a vehicle to promote hatred and division. They were shitting on it imo.
I suppose I should get past that.
I also think this whole BBC thing is an attempt by those who would see it die to stir up something that isn't there. Stayt was taking the piss out of the flag.
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I agree. As some-one said earlier, patriotism not nationalism. I ain't even seen the BBC interview as that doesn't interest me. It was the description that our flag was a rag which I objected to.
 
Flag waving was great when we hosted the London Olympics. The country felt cool, modern, vibrant and together.The flag waving of today's politicians is as far removed from the Olympic feeling as you could possible get. Criticising that isn't being critical of this country it's finding fault with moronic symbols.
 
Shandypants said:
Flag waving was great when we hosted the London Olympics. The country felt cool, modern, vibrant and together.The flag waving of today's politicians is as far removed from the Olympic feeling as you could possible get. Criticising that isn't being critical of this country it's finding fault with moronic symbols.
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Aahh I get it. It's a great gesture when someone waves a national flag at a sporting event, kind of cool, modern and vibrant, but it's moronic when a politician has a flag in his home, whether or not he's waving it.
 
Tangojoe said:
Aahh I get it. It's a great gesture when someone waves a national flag at a sporting event, kind of cool, modern and vibrant, but it's moronic when a politician has a flag in his home, whether or not he's waving it.
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I think there’s a difference between someone waving a flag at a sporting event, hoping their team or country wins, and a group of politicians suddenly embracing a flag that they haven’t shown much interest in previously. Seems a bit like jumping on a bandwagon to me.

Or maybe the RW equivalent to taking a knee. A counter attack in the supposed “Culture Wars”.

Personally I look at both of them in much the same way. I’m not especially exercised by it and am certainly not going to get excited because someone has suddenly decided to embrace the flag or take the knee.
 
southshorepool said:
I've no problem with flag waving as such and it can be a wonderful sight when we come together as a country in celebration of our ideals and togetherness.
I have a huge ** problem with certain extreme groups like the old NF and more recently the EDL etc etc using it as a vehicle to promote hatred and division. They were shitting on it imo.
I suppose I should get past that.
I also think this whole BBC thing is an attempt by those who would see it die to stir up something that isn't there. Stayt was taking the piss out of the flag.
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Agree totally apart from the BBC point. You even actually say he was laughing at the flag?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Agree totally apart from the BBC point. You even actually say he was laughing at the flag?
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Nah watch it back, naga is the one laughing. For whatever reason she deemed it funny then liked several Twitter posts taking the piss. She then went on to apologise when pulled up on it. And before the idiots start it’s got fuck all to do with skin colour, it’s to do with respect.
 
Scaramanga said:
Nah watch it back, naga is the one laughing. For whatever reason she deemed it funny then liked several Twitter posts taking the piss. She then went on to apologise when pulled up on it. And before the idiots start it’s got fuck all to do with skin colour, it’s to do with respect.
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I’m not a big fan of Naga (I’m sure she’ll be devastated to hear that). But I’m also not a fan of Honest Bob. For me it’s a bit like the Piers Morgan/Jeremy Clarkson spat.

The difference though is that some people have decided to use it to attack the BBC. Along with the NHS, one of the greatest institutions this country has ever produced.

If you don’t like the BBC then you can’t really identify as British and maybe you need to think about leaving the country.
 
Tangojoe said:
Aahh I get it. It's a great gesture when someone waves a national flag at a sporting event, kind of cool, modern and vibrant, but it's moronic when a politician has a flag in his home, whether or not he's waving it.
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The country was united. At the time it was superb, looking back it was surreal how fantastic it was. Today its culture war galore. Lines are divided with brexit, lockdowns the royals. Its all part of the playbook, divide the nation and the ruling class run riot. We are all mugs for falling for it, I've decided not too fall for it but I will object to the way the country is being run and how its become a crooked kleptocracy. Its up to you if you want to get behind politicians flying flags, all I can ask is for people to exercise some critical thinking, there is nothing wrong with criticising the way our country is being run. That is the way a healthy democracy should function.
 
Scaramanga said:
Nah watch it back, naga is the one laughing. For whatever reason she deemed it funny then liked several Twitter posts taking the piss. She then went on to apologise when pulled up on it. And before the idiots start it’s got fuck all to do with skin colour, it’s to do with respect.
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She's laughing at Stayt. White person takes the piss. Black woman giggles. You go for the giggler not the instigator. Tells me all I need to know.
 
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England." WS Churchill
If you do not like it here and you do not respect our flag culture and values then leave you will not be missed
 
Ooh It’s a Corner said:
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England." WS Churchill
If you do not like it here and you do not respect our flag culture and values then leave you will not be missed
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Well first of all it’s the U.K. not England.

And along with the flag the “culture and values” includes things like the BBC and the NHS.

So if you have a problem with the BBC or the NHS then maybe you need to think about leaving?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Of course. Like every True Brit it’s the first thing I do every morning.

I also always stay up for the BBC close down when they play the National Anthem. And then I stand to attention and bow to the picture of the Queen on my living room wall.

Doesn’t everyone?
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I don't think you should confess that you stand to attention for Brenda. Some people will get completely the wrong idea. And we have enough froth already.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Of course. Like every True Brit it’s the first thing I do every morning.

I also always stay up for the BBC close down when they play the National Anthem. And then I stand to attention and bow to the picture of the Queen on my living room wall.

Doesn’t everyone?
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Zzzzzzzz


I expect better
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well first of all it’s the U.K. not England.

And along with the flag the “culture and values” includes things like the BBC and the NHS.

So if you have a problem with the BBC or the NHS then maybe you need to think about leaving?
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I pay for both of them they exist because of me and mine paying for them for generations I won’t be going anywhere
 
Shandypants said:
The country was united. At the time it was superb, looking back it was surreal how fantastic it was. Today its culture war galore. Lines are divided with brexit, lockdowns the royals. Its all part of the playbook, divide the nation and the ruling class run riot. We are all mugs for falling for it, I've decided not too fall for it but I will object to the way the country is being run and how its become a crooked kleptocracy. Its up to you if you want to get behind politicians flying flags, all I can ask is for people to exercise some critical thinking, there is nothing wrong with criticising the way our country is being run. That is the way a healthy democracy should function.
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Do you ever feel like people are following you or talking about you? Just wondering like.
 
Tangojoe said:
Do you ever feel like people are following you or talking about you? Just wondering like.
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Like you I’m not really one for conspiracies.

But don’t you think it’s odd we’re talking about flags, statues, Naga and Charlie, taking the knee etc?

When there’s lots of other stuff that just seems to be ignored or waved through? Things involving lots of money being taken from taxpayers and paid to third parties?

It’s almost like we’re being distracted or something.
 
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