The Tory’s have stitched us

Spizz Tony

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ose thinking the tories are doing a great job over #CoronaCrisisuk



☠️ Cheltenham Festival



☠️ NHS cuts



☠️ Lack of testing



☠️ U turn after U turn



☠️ Herd Immunity



☠️ No protection for NHS staff



☠️ Boris Johnson



Every single measure has been reactive, rather than proactive.



Every single measure has been forced on them.



They had four weeks to get ahead of the curve, but criminally sat on their hands.



Don't tell me how well the Government are doing. Just don't.


As l said in a previous post....History will judge them #yearsofaclown
 
Say the advice was to stay at home two weeks ago. Do you think the idiots engaged in mass gatherings this weekend would have complied with that? And if the advice to stay at home, had it been given two weeks ago, been enforced by a criminal penalty would you have been shouting from the rooftops about a draconian Tory dictatorship?
 
ose thinking the tories are doing a great job over #CoronaCrisisuk



☠ Cheltenham Festival



☠ NHS cuts



☠ Lack of testing



☠ U turn after U turn



☠ Herd Immunity



☠ No protection for NHS staff



☠ Boris Johnson



Every single measure has been reactive, rather than proactive.



Every single measure has been forced on them.



They had four weeks to get ahead of the curve, but criminally sat on their hands.



Don't tell me how well the Government are doing. Just don't.


As l said in a previous post....History will judge them #yearsofaclown
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Say the advice was to stay at home two weeks ago. Do you think the idiots engaged in mass gatherings this weekend would have complied with that? And if the advice to stay at home, had it been given two weeks ago, been enforced by a criminal penalty would you have been shouting from the rooftops about a draconian Tory dictatorship?
I think it should have been four weeks ago. To hell with the complaints it would have saved lives. Stay safe and take care.
 
The Chinese could have easily done more sooner to stop it at source & that would have saved way more lives in their country & worldwide. That imo was criminal.
Iran were incredibly negligent in their response & may have been more interested in keeping things quiet because of a political alliegance with China rather than protecting their people?
Yes I thought we & tbh most of Europe as a whole were too slow to react.
Sure no question they could have done more .
This politics & Worldwide crisis lark is all rather easy with hindsght.
 
The World Health Organization have generally been satisfied with the Chinese response but incredulous at the UK.
Do not believe the propaganda being put out by Trump to pass the blame for his own ignorance and negligence.
 
With hindsight, the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool vs AM were clearly mistakes (Madrid was / is at the centre of Spanish outbreak), but at that time the government were seemingly going for the 'herd immunity' strategy. At the same time most health care experts home and abroad were saying that this was a crazy strategy and would lead to many needless deaths and hospitals not being overwhelmed.
 
The Chinese could have easily done more sooner to stop it at source & that would have saved way more lives in their country & worldwide. That imo was criminal.
Iran were incredibly negligent in their response & may have been more interested in keeping things quiet because of a political alliegance with China rather than protecting their people?
Yes I thought we & tbh most of Europe as a whole were too slow to react.
Sure no question they could have done more .
This politics & Worldwide crisis lark is all rather easy with hindsght.
Deary. I am not sure it is fair to conclude that Europe and the U.K. could have responded any quicker, we are only really into a matter of a few weeks since this really broke out.Nor do I feel we can make a judgement as to whether the right decisions have been made or quickly enough at this stage and in some ways maybe we never will.We are encountering a scenario we have never really had to deal with in my lifetime with a “virus ” crossing borders at an alarming rate and affecting almost all parts of the world already in a matter of weeks.
The Chinese for whatever reason certainly seemed intent on keeping a lid on this even to the extent of belittling the doctors who first raised the issue( albeit at a local ” political“ level) but eventually acted.Iran in my opinion is controlled by religious zealots who would rather bury their heads in the sand or blame the outside world rather than face the facts.

We have to trust that the right decisions are being made and support them, not ignore or worst still flout them deliberately.
I also expect our politicians not to be looking to score political points but to give the backing to the decisions made.A divided house is one that ultimately collapses if we are not careful.
 
The World Health Organization have generally been satisfied with the Chinese response but incredulous at the UK.
'generally'
Yes thats fine the chinese have RESPONDED really well since the WHO was told the truth
The simple fact is that they could & should have shared what was really happening with the WHO way sooner .
 
bleach i understand its easy with hindsight, I do think we & others could have responded quicker but unlike some Im certainly not making that a political point to simply throw mud.
 
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Boris is doing a good job. Wonder what he is going to say today in his 5pm Downing Street press conference?

One thing is for sure. The first question will be taken from the BBC - Osbourne wonders why?
 
'generally'
Yes thats fine the chinese have RESPONDED really well since the WHO was told the truth
The simple fact is that they could & should have shared what was really happening with the WHO way sooner .

spot on. Cat slipping back to his old ways.
 
'generally'
Yes thats fine the chinese have RESPONDED really well since the WHO was told the truth
The simple fact is that they could & should have shared what was really happening with the WHO way sooner .
Yes Deary. Probably very true.
bleach i understand its easy with hindsight, I do think we & others could have responded quicker but unlike some Im certainly not making that a political point to simply throw mud at the tories.
Deary..I didn’t think you were .I just feel we need to show a show of solidarity and support for the action being taken rather than criticise for the sake of political bias( and I mean that for all parties).I also think the Chinese Government should have been more open and not tried to keep it in house so to speak but it is the way they have always tended to operate rather like I suspect Putin is attempting to do in a Russia but in this case for his own ambitions.
Anyway let us all hope that we can through all of this as soon as and with as minimum loss of life as possible and maybe a better world of sharing information and assistance.
 
Deary. I am not sure it is fair to conclude that Europe and the U.K. could have responded any quicker, we are only really into a matter of a few weeks since this really broke out.Nor do I feel we can make a judgement as to whether the right decisions have been made or quickly enough at this stage and in some ways maybe we never will.We are encountering a scenario we have never really had to deal with in my lifetime with a “virus ” crossing borders at an alarming rate and affecting almost all parts of the world already in a matter of weeks.
The Chinese for whatever reason certainly seemed intent on keeping a lid on this even to the extent of belittling the doctors who first raised the issue( albeit at a local ” political“ level) but eventually acted.Iran in my opinion is controlled by religious zealots who would rather bury their heads in the sand or blame the outside world rather than face the facts.

We have to trust that the right decisions are being made and support them, not ignore or worst still flout them deliberately.
I also expect our politicians not to be looking to score political points but to give the backing to the decisions made.A divided house is one that ultimately collapses if we are not careful.
Well said👍
 
When the BBC correspondent in China ( Stephen McDonald?) first reported the Authorities there were” locking down “ whole towns and cities I well remember his words “ it’s relatively easy to enforce such measures under this regime but how such measures will be enforced in western democracies remains to be seen” Irrespective of political persuasion no western government will get this 100% right.
 
I am sure that we will have made some mistakes. And it is undeniably true that the strategy has shifted as we have gone along. But I would have been surprised if it hadn't. What is the use of monitoring and modelling if you don't adjust your actions to take account of what it tells you?

I am lucky in that my partner works with some of the key people, or has done in the past, and thus has a bit more insight than most. She says that a tremendous amount of scientific effort is going in, and the people at the top of the scientific chain are authoritative and impressive in what they do. I think the rest of us have to put our faith in them and try to follow their advice as closely as we can.

They (the scientists) are not the problem, really. The real issue is the number of people who will act contrary to the advice out of selfishness, cussedness or simply because they are too thick to grasp the consequences of what they are doing. And making excuses for them doesn't help.

I don't envy the politicians. We live in the most renowned of liberal democracies and having to take the kind of command and control action that has been taken to date flies in the face of our history and our culture. If they have hesitated to do so, I for one understand why and find it hard to condemn them if they have tried to preserve a modicum of normality for as long as they can. Equally, the fact that they have been prepared to take the steps that have been taken so far is something they deserve credit for. I don't think that the financial/economic response has been in any way lacking in imagination, for instance.

It is probably too early to be thinking about what the long term impact of all this will be. But I hope that it gives us all pause for thought, and we need to consider carefully how we might do things differently in the future. Specifically :

* how we approach emergency and contingency planning generally, and how we develop and resource the full range of skills necessary to implement whatever approach we decide upon

* naturally following on from the above, how we build our national capability in areas like public health management, medical science and logistical management

* how we give people stronger incentives to seek careers in the emergency services and give them special consideration when they do

* we need a grown up conversation about what kind of tax and revenue base a modern economy actually needs - and one that leads to change. For too long we have promised ourselves the earth, without being willing to pay the real cost of it


All of which will be conducted against a political backdrop that will see us pulling up the drawbridge with Europe ; a fact that will be seized by people at either end of the political spectrum as being a good or a bad thing, depending upon perspectives.

More widely, I think this is going to make the world a more dangerous place long after we have got to grips with the virus itself. The way that China, the USA and Iran in particular have been behaving has been shameful really, and I see no prospect of change unless there are big changes in leadership in all of them. One out of three would be a start, but we can't even count on that.
 
On the 5 March Boris Johnson said "perhaps we could take it all in one go, take it on the chin" His chief adviser stated that if some pensioners die so be it. This government has been criminally negligent in it's handling of the disease.
 
As I said on another thread, 80% of the public are idiots. Q.E.D
Spot on OL

I assume you include the O/P in that😂

There is far too much slagging off going on and it really is time for unity everywhere.

Couldn't believe the photos I saw in today's paper of idiots out in parks and enjoying themselves as if nothing was going on. And those are the kind of people who would complain bitterly if they or a family member caught the virus.

Do they think they are immune? FFS 700 people died in Italy in ONE DAY. What will make these idiots realise the severity of all this?

The only way to try and restrict this is a complete lock down.
 
The useless Tory p
Ainscow, I believe that Abbott demanded the filming of Casualty to be ceased immediately so they could use all the characters to help out in hospitals. 😉
Corbyn and Abbot have fallen out, she says free broadband is no help, she is demanding free Virus scanners! 👍🏻
 
The Chinese could have easily done more sooner to stop it at source & that would have saved way more lives in their country & worldwide. That imo was criminal.
Yup.One doctor who later lost his life was blocked and not many from the Western governments have acted quickly enough-the worse cases are those like ours who had time to respond.
Not testing is becoming a huge failure imo and is why so many have adopted a casual approach,particularly as they keep sticking misleading figures on the news.They could have stuck projected deaths that might have made people take it seriously sooner.
 
Don’t worry, Dianne Abbott is all set to recruit 10,000, sorry, 25,000, I mean 250,000, er, 2,500, whoops 25 new police officers to lock down the country and stop the 4 cases spreading.
 
More political point scoring as More and more people are dying, stay classy
 
Don’t worry, Dianne Abbott is all set to recruit 10,000, sorry, 25,000, I mean 250,000, er, 2,500, whoops 25 new police officers to lock down the country and stop the 4 cases spreading.
Last time I looked Dianne Abbott wasn't in Government or even on the Opposition front bench. Needless.
 
I know I am as guilty as the next man but it's a case of Brexit revisited on here now.
Not sure about that. Athers is still storming the League managing a resurgent Blackpool. I think we can all agree that brings a sense of normality to life.
 
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