The unbearable “I told you so” brigade

Shiggy

Shiggy

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“I said at the start of the season” “I told you we should never have brought him back” “We were never going to do well with this manager in charge”

What do these people want more? Their football team to do well or for their opinions to be proven correct? I genuinely think it’s a toss up.

What is for certain is that they are absolutely unbearable on this site and impossible to argue with. They formed their opinions before a ball was kicked this season and can’t wait to kick the boot in when the opportunity arises.

We have lost 2 games out of the last 8. We have improved significantly since the start of the season. We are 7th in the table with a game in hand on some of the teams above. We have players set to return from injury. We have seen a vast improvement in individual performances under this manager.

Time for some to grow up, put their big boy pants on and realise that the football club isn’t always going to appoint the manager you want. We’re not going to play well every week. The manager isn’t always going to choose the starting lineup you would have chose.

There seems to be so many who think the grass is greener. If we sacked Critchley (which some were calling for before August was over) who would we get? Would they really do a better job with this group of players?

We’ve got a decent squad and one that is capable of reaching the play offs. But that’s as far as I’d go. Out of the last 3 managers, which one has the likes of CJ, Dale, Lavery, Thompson, Dougall, Casey, Husband played their best football under?

People are always entitled to their opinions. Critchley isn’t perfect. I agree with the idea that we play too safe. But it’s when people aren’t open to changing those opinions, and instead look for any and every reason to maintain them, where it really becomes miserable. We could win 10 out of the next 11 and this board would be its loudest after the defeat.
 
Shiggy said:
“I said at the start of the season” “I told you we should never have brought him back” “We were never going to do well with this manager in charge”

What do these people want more? Their football team to do well or for their opinions to be proven correct? I genuinely think it’s a toss up.

What is for certain is that they are absolutely unbearable on this site and impossible to argue with. They formed their opinions before a ball was kicked this season and can’t wait to kick the boot in when the opportunity arises.

We have lost 2 games out of the last 8. We have improved significantly since the start of the season. We are 7th in the table with a game in hand on some of the teams above. We have players set to return from injury. We have seen a vast improvement in individual performances under this manager.

Time for some to grow up, put their big boy pants on and realise that the football club isn’t always going to appoint the manager you want. We’re not going to play well every week. The manager isn’t always going to choose the starting lineup you would have chose.

There seems to be so many who think the grass is greener. If we sacked Critchley (which some were calling for before August was over) who would we get? Would they really do a better job with this group of players?

We’ve got a decent squad and one that is capable of reaching the play offs. But that’s as far as I’d go. Out of the last 3 managers, which one has the likes of CJ, Dale, Lavery, Thompson, Dougall, Casey, Husband played their best football under?

People are always entitled to their opinions. Critchley isn’t perfect. I agree with the idea that we play too safe. But it’s when people aren’t open to changing those opinions, and instead look for any and every reason to maintain them, where it really becomes miserable. We could win 10 out of the next 11 and this board would be its loudest after the defeat.
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well i’ll buck the trend - i didn’t wanted him back at all (resisted boo’ing him but did shout the odd thing) but now like him in what he’s trying to achieve with us.
Yes he fucks about with team a little too much and we do play it too safe but jeez you only have to look back to the other two clowns we had to realise he is certainly a step forward.
 
Shiggy said:
“I said at the start of the season” “I told you we should never have brought him back” “We were never going to do well with this manager in charge”

What do these people want more? Their football team to do well or for their opinions to be proven correct? I genuinely think it’s a toss up.

What is for certain is that they are absolutely unbearable on this site and impossible to argue with. They formed their opinions before a ball was kicked this season and can’t wait to kick the boot in when the opportunity arises.

We have lost 2 games out of the last 8. We have improved significantly since the start of the season. We are 7th in the table with a game in hand on some of the teams above. We have players set to return from injury. We have seen a vast improvement in individual performances under this manager.

Time for some to grow up, put their big boy pants on and realise that the football club isn’t always going to appoint the manager you want. We’re not going to play well every week. The manager isn’t always going to choose the starting lineup you would have chose.

There seems to be so many who think the grass is greener. If we sacked Critchley (which some were calling for before August was over) who would we get? Would they really do a better job with this group of players?

We’ve got a decent squad and one that is capable of reaching the play offs. But that’s as far as I’d go. Out of the last 3 managers, which one has the likes of CJ, Dale, Lavery, Thompson, Dougall, Casey, Husband played their best football under?

People are always entitled to their opinions. Critchley isn’t perfect. I agree with the idea that we play too safe. But it’s when people aren’t open to changing those opinions, and instead look for any and every reason to maintain them, where it really becomes miserable. We could win 10 out of the next 11 and this board would be its loudest after the defeat.
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And for all the "I told you so" brigade you've got the "trust the process" lot.

Who's right, who's wrong?
It's a message board and not everyone will have the same opinions.

I didn't want Critchley back and I haven't seen anything this season to change my thinking.
However if he can manage to turn it round then praise will be lavished upon him
 
Wizzerboy said:
And for all the "I told you so" brigade you've got the "trust the process" lot.

Who's right, who's wrong?
It's a message board and not everyone will have the same opinions.

I didn't want Critchley back and I haven't seen anything this season to change my thinking.
However if he can manage to turn it round then praise will be lavished upon him
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Grudgingly🤣
 
Wizzerboy said:
And for all the "I told you so" brigade you've got the "trust the process" lot.

Who's right, who's wrong?
It's a message board and not everyone will have the same opinions.

I didn't want Critchley back and I haven't seen anything this season to change my thinking.
However if he can manage to turn it round then praise will be lavished upon him
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Who’s wrong?

I’d have thought that ought to be obvious really.

The overriding choice of any supporter worth their salt would always be to err on the side of being ….. well. …supportive….surely ?

I mean surely being negative and undermining the manager at every opportunity is not going to help anyone ?
 
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20togo said:
whether the o/p is right or wrong in his opinions on the players and Critchley, I'm not really bothered about.. But the o/p is clearly an antagonistic post with the sole intent of having a go at other posters.
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The OP has a point. It's getting quite lairy on here these days.
 
Satriale's Pork Store said:
We are become something of a self-entitled fanbase.

Christ, when I think of the shoite owners / Managers / Coaches we have had to suffer over the past four decades, we should all take a reality check.
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The sense of entitlement definitely went up a notch following the boycott. After those horrible Oyston years I think a lot of people felt like they were owed some success. Whether that’s right or wrong or not I’m not sure.

I did think this entitlement would fade but it seems to have somehow got worse? We all hate the “little old Blackpool” narrative but how many times have people adopted that same attitude to clubs in this division already this season?

Combine that with the fact that every time we lose there’s always reactionary uproar. It’s actually quite embarrassing when you consider most of that uproar comes from grown men who’ve seen us go through far worse times than this.
 
Wizzerboy said:
And for all the "I told you so" brigade you've got the "trust the process" lot.

Who's right, who's wrong?
It's a message board and not everyone will have the same opinions.

I didn't want Critchley back and I haven't seen anything this season to change my thinking.
However if he can manage to turn it round then praise will be lavished upon him
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I agree with you partially.

Of course opinion will differ, that’s why this board exists.

My issue isn’t with different opinions, it’s with those who are unwilling to change their opinion regardless of what’s actually happening in front of them. You could say that happens on all sides of the debate but it seems to come more from those who tend to be more negative and didn’t want Critchley in the first place.
 
Unless it’s glaringly obvious that we have a poor manager with no wit or strategy, then statistically teams who sack their managers rarely succeed.

Yes there will always be outliers (Aston Villa last season and Forest the season before) but almost always the teams to go down have sacked a manager mid season and those winning silverware haven’t. Even more so, teams who have had a manager for more than two seasons, have the greatest levels of success relative to those who haven’t.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Who’s wrong?

I’d have thought that ought to be obvious really.

The overriding choice of any supporter worth their salt would alway be to err on the side of being ….. well. …supportive….surely ?

I mean surely being negative and undermining the manager at every opportunity is not going to help anyone ?
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I'm watching the Villa/Luton match at the moment and the co commentator (apologies don't know who he is) has just stated that Villa are doing so well this season because they've got stability in the team and at least 8 regular starters. He stated that a player like Tilimans (sorry for the spelling) knows he has to train hard to even get in the team.
Compare that with what Critchley is doing at Bloomfield Rd and its like player lottery a hour before kick off as no one knows, apart from the meddler who's getting a game!!!

Yes errr, support the team but don't go round blindly when things aren't going well, it pangs of the emperors new clothes.
Yeh Critch, everything's great when in reality it isn't 🤷
 
20togo said:
whether the o/p is right or wrong in his opinions on the players and Critchley, I'm not really bothered about.. But the o/p is clearly an antagonistic post with the sole intent of having a go at other posters.
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Hard not to come across as “antagonistic” when you get posters coming on here after a defeat seemingly joyous at the opportunity to tell strangers on the internet that they were right
 
20togo said:
whether the o/p is right or wrong in his opinions on the players and Critchley, I'm not really bothered about.. But the o/p is clearly an antagonistic post with the sole intent of having a go at other posters.
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As I’ve said many times, most of the gloating comes from Critchley super fans after the wins and they post stuff like the OP after another set of points thrown away. They hate the fanbase simple as that.

Everyone else is resigned to having to try and get behind him in spite of all the nonsensical tinkering that seems motivated by a need to be seen to be a super coach. I think he has a confidence complex myself.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'm watching the Villa/Luton match at the moment and the co commentator (apologies don't know who he is) has just stated that Villa are doing so well this season because they've got stability in the team and at least 8 regular starters. He stated that a player like Tilimans (sorry for the spelling) knows he has to train hard to even get in the team.
Compare that with what Critchley is doing at Bloomfield Rd and its like player lottery a hour before kick off as no one knows, apart from the meddler who's getting a game!!!

Yes errr, support the team but don't go round blindly when things aren't going well, it pangs of the emperors new clothes.
Yeh Critch, everything's great when in reality it isn't 🤷
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You’ll find very few if any supporters “blindly” supporting Critchley or the team.

You will, on the other hand, find plenty who are much more active on this board after a defeat then when we’re doing well.

I actually agree with you regarding rotation. He tinkers too much, sometimes it works but sometimes it doesn’t.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'm watching the Villa/Luton match at the moment and the co commentator (apologies don't know who he is) has just stated that Villa are doing so well this season because they've got stability in the team and at least 8 regular starters. He stated that a player like Tilimans (sorry for the spelling) knows he has to train hard to even get in the team.
Compare that with what Critchley is doing at Bloomfield Rd and its like player lottery a hour before kick off as no one knows, apart from the meddler who's getting a game!!!

Yes errr, support the team but don't go round blindly when things aren't going well, it pangs of the emperors new clothes.
Yeh Critch, everything's great when in reality it isn't 🤷
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This I can agree with. I’m frustrated with much of his tinkering and yesterdays line up made me swear when I saw it heading to the ground. It was unnecessary in my view. So no not everything is perfect.

Yet I balance that frustration with knowing that he does this and manages the rotation in a way that I just don’t understand at times, yet at the end of the season we have achieved a good result and probably promotion.
 
Shiggy said:
I agree with you partially.

Of course opinion will differ, that’s why this board exists.

My issue isn’t with different opinions, it’s with those who are unwilling to change their opinion regardless of what’s actually happening in front of them. You could say that happens on all sides of the debate but it seems to come more from those who tend to be more negative and didn’t want Critchley in the first place.
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In your words, It's like those unwilling to change their opinions regardless of what's actually happening in front of them.
Could you send that to Critchley as he seems hell bent on an ultra cautious approach against every team we play.

I'll say again, I didn't want Critchley back but I don't want Blackpool to lose and get no joy from it when they do.
 
clappers said:
As I’ve said many times, most of the gloating comes from Critchley super fans after the wins and they post stuff like the OP after another set of points thrown away. They hate the fanbase simple as that.

Everyone else is resigned to having to try and get behind him in spite of all the nonsensical tinkering that seems motivated by a need to be seen to be a super coach. I think he has a confidence complex myself.
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“Post stuff like the OP” what exactly do you mean by that?

I don’t really agree with the gloating either way to be honest.

I certainly don’t “hate the fanbase” either. But if I had to choose between seeing this board full of “gloating” after a win rather than gloating after a defeat it’s no contest really.

I remember you personally back in the vivid days refusing to give Critch his stripes, saying stuff along the lines of “we’re only doing well because of Calderwood”. How did that argument go for you in the championship season where we had a strong season without…er… Calderwood?

Of course that was your opinion and you’re entitled to it. But it’s that type of stubbornness, where you’ve made your mind up and refuse to budge on it despite plenty of evidence to say we were succeeding on the pitch for numerous reasons, where my issue lies. And what motivated my decision to post.

People make their minds up before a ball is kicked and those opinions remain entrenched all season long, no matter what happens.
 
Wizzerboy said:
I'm watching the Villa/Luton match at the moment and the co commentator (apologies don't know who he is) has just stated that Villa are doing so well this season because they've got stability in the team and at least 8 regular starters. He stated that a player like Tilimans (sorry for the spelling) knows he has to train hard to even get in the team.
Compare that with what Critchley is doing at Bloomfield Rd and its like player lottery a hour before kick off as no one knows, apart from the meddler who's getting a game!!!

Yes errr, support the team but don't go round blindly when things aren't going well, it pangs of the emperors new clothes.
Yeh Critch, everything's great when in reality it isn't 🤷
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Ah right a bloke on the commentary for a Villa game said that and that’s it is it?

Around 90% of everything that comes out of commentators’ mouths is just shyte and cliches.

Loads of teams successfully manage by rotating their squad and the fact remains that in certain positions we have t really seen any stand out performances to suggest anyone deserves the shirt on a more permanent basis.

That said…

Grimshaw, Husband, Casey, Pennington, Doughall, Hamilton, Norburn & Rhodes (I make that 8) have all been consistent starters for us.
 
And in true Columbo mode.......just one last thing😉
Many moons ago Fleetwood were playing Hull, it was live on Sky and there was a thread on this message board.
There were some on here saying both Hull and Cods were lightyears ahead of Blackpool and couldn't see Pool finishing in the top half.
I defended Critchley saying, that what he was trying to achieve was, in my opinion, going to work.
Back then he certainly didn't chop and change so often 😕
 
Shiggy said:
You’ll find very few if any supporters “blindly” supporting Critchley or the team.

You will, on the other hand, find plenty who are much more active on this board after a defeat then when we’re doing well.

I actually agree with you regarding rotation. He tinkers too much, sometimes it works but sometimes it doesn’t.
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You're describing human nature- it's what people do.
 
We are unlikely to go up automatically unless something drastically changes . We are too inconsistent .

We might make the play offs and possibly go up but it’s far from certain.

People are claiming we just “have” to go up this season .

Why ?

We were the worst team in the championship last season way below standard .

Why are people suggesting not going up isn’t an option ?

I think it’s more likely than we won’t go up.

I’m not being negative just a fact as things currently stand .

If we don’t go up I don’t think Critch should be sacked either btw.

We can’t expect to go up . We are not head and shoulders above anyone in the league and some teams are arguably better .

Just need to get behind the team as much as poss and see what happens .
 
Shiggy said:
Combine that with the fact that every time we lose there’s always reactionary uproar.
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I saw very little 'Reactionary uproar' after the game yesterday, just a discussion about the game and what went wrong for us to lose, you know. the sort of stuff a football message board should be all about. You had a pop at my thread after the game yesterday, but if you actually read what was in it rather than just going off on one because you can't stand any constructive criticism of the team that we all support and then the corresponding replies, of which there were over a hundred covered most bases in a post mortem of the game, pointing out good and bad and making for an interesting read. Do you think Critch and the players go in on Monday and don't chat about the game and discuss why they lost?

Your O/P doesn't actually add anything to a message board, you just seem to think there are lots of people who post on here that have an agenda, stemming from the Oyston years. That's rubbish, there are a small minority but on the whole the debate on here is pretty balanced and well presented so the only person who is saying "I told you so" is..... um, you! Just enjoy the differing views, ignore the idiots and stop taking this place so seriously and letting it get to you. We all want the same thing don't we?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Ah right a bloke on the commentary for a Villa game said that and that’s it is it?

Around 90% of everything that comes out of commentators’ mouths is just shyte and cliches.

Loads of teams successfully manage by rotating their squad and the fact remains that in certain positions we have t really seen any stand out performances to suggest anyone deserves the shirt on a more permanent basis.

That said…

Grimshaw, Husband, Casey, Pennington, Doughall, Hamilton, Norburn & Rhodes (I make that 8) have all been consistent starters for us.
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So a bloke on a message board and disagrees with posts and that's that it is it?🤣🤣🤣

90% of most stuff posted on message boards is shyte and trying to gain one upmanship😉👍🏻
 
Shiggy said:
The sense of entitlement definitely went up a notch following the boycott. After those horrible Oyston years I think a lot of people felt like they were owed some success. Whether that’s right or wrong or not I’m not sure.

I did think this entitlement would fade but it seems to have somehow got worse? We all hate the “little old Blackpool” narrative but how many times have people adopted that same attitude to clubs in this division already this season?

Combine that with the fact that every time we lose there’s always reactionary uproar. It’s actually quite embarrassing when you consider most of that uproar comes from grown men who’ve seen us go through far worse times than this.
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my view is that with regards to yesterdays loss is that a lot of the reactionary uproar was very complimentary about how well Peterboro played.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I saw very little 'Reactionary uproar' after the game yesterday, just a discussion about the game and what went wrong for us to lose, you know. the sort of stuff a football message board should be all about. You had a pop at my thread after the game yesterday, but if you actually read what was in it rather than just going off on one because you can't stand any constructive criticism of the team that we all support and then the corresponding replies, of which there were over a hundred covered most bases in a post mortem of the game, pointing out good and bad and making for an interesting read. Do you think Critch and the players go in on Monday and don't chat about the game and discuss why they lost?

Your O/P doesn't actually add anything to a message board, you just seem to think there are lots of people who post on here that have an agenda, stemming from the Oyston years. That's rubbish, there are a small minority but on the whole the debate on here is pretty balanced and well presented so the only person who is saying "I told you so" is..... um, you! Just enjoy the differing views, ignore the idiots and stop taking this place so seriously and letting it get to you. We all want the same thing don't we?
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When have I posted anything close to “I told you so”?

I feel like you’re missing my point, which always seems to happen when I post something like this. I’m constantly dismissed as someone who “blindly” supports the club and is just happy to sit back and clap regardless of how we’re doing on/off the pitch, whereas if you actually went through my posts through the years you’ll see that’s the opposite. At no point have I ever no will I ever discourage conversation and debate after a game, particularly after a defeat.

What I will always discourage is outrageous negativity, particularly when it’s being expressed simply to support individual pre-existing ideas rather than reflecting the reality that’s in front of us.

As for “reactionary uproar”, there definitely has been, on here and on social media. And it’s mainly the same characters who, coincidentally, didn’t want Critchley in the first place.
 
clappers said:
As I’ve said many times, most of the gloating comes from Critchley super fans after the wins and they post stuff like the OP after another set of points thrown away. They hate the fanbase simple as that.

Everyone else is resigned to having to try and get behind him in spite of all the nonsensical tinkering that seems motivated by a need to be seen to be a super coach. I think he has a confidence complex myself.
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Have you really just posted about supportive fans gloating when we win?

And then went in to say the rest of you just have to get on with it, despite the successful manager running the team as he sees fit (as opposed to taking tactical advice from clappers on AVFTT)?


Brilliant 😂😂😂😂

And then people question what motivates this kind of OP !!

You couldn’t this kind of shit up ffs
 
20togo said:
my view is that with regards to yesterdays loss is that a lot of the reactionary uproar was very complimentary about how well Peterboro played.
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Some of it was.

Some of it was the same old nonsense. Is it any surprise the Critchley out thread suddenly reappeared at the top of the board?
 
Wizzerboy said:
So a bloke on a message board and disagrees with posts and that's that it is it?🤣🤣🤣

90% of most stuff posted on message boards is shyte and trying to gain one upmanship😉👍🏻
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No….

It’s not a case of that…

Critchley is the Manager and it’s been proven time and time again that squad rotation works. In fact we got promoted and had our most successful (recent) season in the Championship doing just that.

We’ve also had 8 or more regular starters, which kind of puts it to bed in any case.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Have you really just posted about supportive fans gloating when we win?

And then went in to say the rest of you just have to get on with it, despite the successful manager running the team as he sees fit (as opposed to taking tactical advice from clappers on AVFTT)?


Brilliant 😂😂😂😂

And then people question what motivates this kind of OP !!

You couldn’t this kind of shit up ffs
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Your name vill also go on ze list.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Have you really just posted about supportive fans gloating when we win?

And then went in to say the rest of you just have to get on with it, despite the successful manager running the team as he sees fit (as opposed to taking tactical advice from clappers on AVFTT)?


Brilliant 😂😂😂😂

And then people question what motivates this kind of OP !!

You couldn’t this kind of shit up ffs
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The “just getting on with it” proves exactly what I’m saying really.

As if us doing well is something some to be tolerated rather than celebrated because they didn’t agree with the managerial appointment in the first place.
 
Shiggy said:
The “just getting on with it” proves exactly what I’m saying really.

As if us doing well is something some to be tolerated rather than celebrated because they didn’t agree with the managerial appointment in the first place.
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We aren’t doing well IMO. We still have to get behind him.
 
Some of its good some of its bad a lot of it is average. We are in the top 8 not the bottom 8 so things are OK.
Are there really that many i told you so type people?
Is the op saying some people didn't want Critchley and are happy for Blackpool to lose so that they are proved right!
There are a lot of differing opinions but I don't think there is a single regular poster on here that wants us to lose.
 
Shiggy said:
When have I posted anything close to “I told you so”?

I feel like you’re missing my point, which always seems to happen when I post something like this. I’m constantly dismissed as someone who “blindly” supports the club and is just happy to sit back and clap regardless of how we’re doing on/off the pitch, whereas if you actually went through my posts through the years you’ll see that’s the opposite. At no point have I ever no will I ever discourage conversation and debate after a game, particularly after a defeat.

What I will always discourage is outrageous negativity, particularly when it’s being expressed simply to support individual pre-existing ideas rather than reflecting the reality that’s in front of us.

As for “reactionary uproar”, there definitely has been, on here and on social media. And it’s mainly the same characters who, coincidentally, didn’t want Critchley in the first place.
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I didn't want Critchley back, but in hindsight he was the right choice and if he just stopperdtinkering so much and worrying about the opposition as much as he does then I think we will do better. I actually think he will get us into the play offs, which after last season would be a good result, it is so early in the season we could still go on a great run and chase the top 2. We will finish anywhere between second and sixth I think, but we are still allowed to discuss a game and point out where we, as supporters, think he went wrong. It makes F all difference at the end of the day as he will do things his way and so he should, he will live and die by his decisions.

There are always some over reactions on here, I am guilty of it as are you I have no doubt in the past, there will always be a few who are just like all the time and disappear when we have had a good result, but he majority on here can argue their point very well and accept other supporters views even if they disagree with it.

If we can get Norburn back on Tuesday and Virtue, Gabriel and Joseph match fit by the end of November then all we really need to do in January is seal a deal for Rhodes and sign a decent creative midfielder in the Cambran.Adam style we will have a great second half of the season.
 
Shiggy said:
The “just getting on with it” proves exactly what I’m saying really.

As if us doing well is something some to be tolerated rather than celebrated because they didn’t agree with the managerial appointment in the first place.
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I read stuff like that and just think “what the actual fuck”.

So basically what we’re saying here is that as long as the manager does exactly what they would do then he gets their support win or lose, but if he actually does his own thing, then winning is something you have to “put up with”

This morning we’ve got the “Blackpool are boring” because sometimes the opposition have possession and we’re not peppering their goal with shots for the entire 90 minutes…Now we’ve got the putting up with winning crew.

The world has gone mad !!
 
The OP posts bollocks like this OP every week. Best ignored.

He was a happy clapper last season and made the same kind of OPs with Appleton and Big Mick whilst we nosedived to relegation.

For some weird reason he assumes everyone should never be critical of any manager or performance by insulting them and tries (in vain) to stifle opinion.
 
Leyland bfc said:
We’re not doing badly either
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We’d be doing worse but for Rhodes. We’d be doing better but for the tinkering. IMO we are average and as Critchley has been billed as the returning Messiah he should be held to that standard ie) top three in League One with a player like Rhodes at our disposal.
 
Shiggy said:
Some of it was.

Some of it was the same old nonsense. Is it any surprise the Critchley out thread suddenly reappeared at the top of the board?
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Shiggy

I find it pretty easy to separate who's who on here. There is the destructive criticism which is barely worth a response and then there's the constructive criticism which is well worthy of debate. I find the latter far outweighs the former.
 
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