Train strikes

Novelli86 said:
A mixture of she couldn't face killing anybody else(she saw it that way)and she still struggles with the noise/mess, and so wants to save peoples lives instead.

Quicker? Yes
Easier? Depends on how you look at it. It's basically the same, just not done across many placements lasting 4 years.
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Acording to Rail Staff online you are fully qualified within a year - and that’s not to say ongoing training is not required - like pretty much all professions.

I also hope your Sister in Law recovers from what is a traumatic incident and finds happiness in her new career 👍
 
seasideone said:
They are not oversimplified - but I agree they do not suit your arguments.

Last time I was in the UK in April I used the service from Manchester Airport to PLF.

If you read what I say, I am not about putting tech into an infrastructure that isn’t ready - I said it would take 10-20years - and yes it should happen.

The sooner it’s automated the better!!!!
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I haven’t made an argument saying that anybody should be paid more or less, you’ve done that and you’ve done it using irrelevant examples without substantial evidence. Hence why I said it was an unconvincing argument in the first place.

You’re coming across as one of those people who reads the odd newspaper and becomes an expert in everything. I can see why you were successful in recruitment world 🤠 😉
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
I haven’t made an argument saying that anybody should be paid more or less, you’ve done that and you’ve done it using irrelevant examples without substantial evidence. Hence why I said it was an unconvincing argument in the first place.

You’re coming across as one of those people who reads the odd newspaper and becomes an expert in everything. I can see why you were successful in recruitment world 🤠 😉
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Again, you just spout drivel without evidence.

Drivers earn more than Nurses and are less qualified while many more people apply for drivers jobs than are needed - still no answer.

…and very very successful thanks, and the proudest thing of all - I helped tens of thousands of people get a better life 👍
 
seasideone said:
Again, you just spout drivel without evidence.

Drivers earn more than Nurses and are less qualified while many more people apply for drivers jobs than are needed - still no answer.

…and very very successful thanks, and the proudest thing of all - I helped tens of thousands of people get a better life 👍
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I post drivel without evidence?

All I’ve done is pull you up on the bollocks you come out with on a constant basis.

Absolute weapon. Go get yourself a cocktail, enjoy your fancy ** train and shut the fuck up.

I’m out 👍🏻
 
D4lighted to see the Tories drive towards a high wage is going so well with support from their acolytes

It is number 4 in the current play book, get the workers arguing amongst themselves whilst sneaking UK taxes out of the country.

Would you trust Boris or Rishi or Liz to drive a train at 140mph
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
I post drivel without evidence?

All I’ve done is pull you up on the bollocks you come out with on a constant basis.

Absolute weapon. Go get yourself a cocktail, enjoy your fancy ** train and shut the fuck up.

I’m out 👍🏻
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Probably for the best that you are out, as you have not yet put up a reasoned argument 👍
 
seasideone said:
Probably for the best that you are out, as you have not yet put up a reasoned argument 👍
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The obvious argument, as you acknowledge, is that the infrastructure isn't in place, nor will it be, because privatised businesses are too busy extracting funds as shareholder dividends, unlike the state owned Chinese, Japanese and Singapore railways you offer up as evidence.

Ironically, the shareholders in our railways are the German, French and Italian Governments through their rail operations, taking money from us to invest in their own superior infrastructure.
 
Wizaard said:
The obvious argument, as you acknowledge, is that the infrastructure isn't in place, nor will it be, because privatised businesses are too busy extracting funds as shareholder dividends, unlike the state owned Chinese, Japanese and Singapore railways you offer up as evidence.

Ironically, the shareholders in our railways are the German, French and Italian Governments through their rail operations, taking money from us to invest in their own superior infrastructure.
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That’s not actually true though (again from you)….and arguably Japan is the best railway in the world…

Japan - JR - was privatised in 1987
Singapore - mixed between private and public
China - yes, owned by the state.

Just to add about the German DB, as someone who lived there for a while - I have never missed as many connections in my life while using them - although that’s my personal experience.
 
Whilst this batting back and forth goes on you're all missing the important point.
The RMT have called for the Government to get involved with the negotiations, and yet they won't. Everybody knows that the Railways management have to work to Government dictat but the Government won't get involved. It is truly pathetic and irresponsible.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
No I won't. Do your own analysis. The TV news, the written press and the Leader if the RMT have all said that RMT members are low paid employees.
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Your response is laughable.

You say they are on a low wage, which they may well be - buy you have no idea what they get paid.

So please come back with facts and not your own hearsay.
 
seasideone said:
Your response is laughable.

You say they are on a low wage, which they may well be - buy you have no idea what they get paid.

So please come back with facts and not your own hearsay.
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I never said I don't know what they get paid. However to feel unable to accept the statement that they are low paid, and to have to demand proof positive of what the wages are marks you down as an insecure school-child.
Either ride the difficulties in an adult discussion or don't bother.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I never said I don't know what they get paid. However to feel unable to accept the statement that they are low paid, and to have to demand proof positive of what the wages are marks you down as an insecure school-child.
Either ride the difficulties in an adult discussion or don't bother.
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Debate is about answering questions form the people you are debating with and then presenting your point.

Any chance you can do the first bit?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Which apparently has no bearing on the right to strike, which you're arbitrarily handing out with fuck all experience or knowledge beyond what you've googled.
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Not quite sure what you mean by the bold above - because obviously they have the right to strike.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Whilst this batting back and forth goes on you're all missing the important point.
The RMT have called for the Government to get involved with the negotiations, and yet they won't. Everybody knows that the Railways management have to work to Government dictat but the Government won't get involved. It is truly pathetic and irresponsible.
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True.

But if you look at Grant Shapps and Lee Anderson on one side and the Micks Lynch and Whelan on the other, you can see they are all ** loving it.

The old class warfare revived. This is what we want. Everyone riled up and at each other’s throats.

Well crack on lads. Train strikes don’t affect the rest of us as much as they used to. Which was the point behind the op. We’re all Quietly Quitting and leaving the Brexit Boys to their Bunfight.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
True.

But if you look at Grant Shapps and Lee Anderson on one side and the Micks Lynch and Whelan on the other, you can see they are all ** loving it.

The old class warfare revived. This is what we want. Everyone riled up and at each other’s throats.

Well crack on lads. Train strikes don’t affect the rest of us as much as they used to. Which was the point behind the op. We’re all Quietly Quitting and leaving the Brexit Boys to their Bunfight.
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I do hope not. If Lynch is enjoying it I won't be happy. Which won't bother him, I know.
 
I'd like to know how the strikers exist in this lengthy Strike.
Where are they getting money from to pay their expenses etc?
The Unions won't be paying them, they can't claim unemployment benefit.
What do their wives & families think about it all?
 
Davepick said:
I'd like to know how the strikers exist in this lengthy Strike.
Where are they getting money from to pay their expenses etc?
The Unions won't be paying them, they can't claim unemployment benefit.
What do their wives & families think about it all?
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They lose between 1 and 2 days pay per month. Most staff wil have a Sunday in their roster that is classed as overtime and so that will usually help cover the lost income but not always.
Wives, husbands and families I would imagine in the main are pretty supportive, because the RMT staff know exactly what is happening on the ground and are able to educate their families with the information. Unfortunately there will always be some family members who don't agree though, my Nana for example will moan if and when Aslef go on strike in the North. Because she reads the daily mail and genuinely thinks Aslef are sympathetic towards a Putin because of some rubbish she read in there in the last few months.
 
What will everyone do when everything becomes automated? Who will have all the money? What is the cost in human terms? Empty lives?
 
Novelli86 said:
Because she reads the daily mail and genuinely thinks Aslef are sympathetic towards a Putin because of some rubbish she read in there in the last few months.
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She's confusing them with the RMT, and since the original source was The New Statesman, she might have a point.

“The EU also provoked a lot of the trouble in Ukraine. It was all about being pro-EU and all the rest of it,” he said, referring to the pro-EU Maidan revolution in Ukraine in 2014. “There were a lot of corrupt politicians in Ukraine. And while they were doing that, there were an awful lot of people [in Ukraine] playing with Nazi imagery, and going back to the [Second World] war, and all that. So, it’s not just that this stuff has sprung from one place.”

Lynch’s line about the role of Nazi or neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine resembles that of the Kremlin’s. But in March, Lynch and the RMT condemned the invasion and called for the Russian army to withdraw.
 
Lost Seasider said:
She's confusing them with the RMT, and since the original source was The New Statesman, she might have a point.

“The EU also provoked a lot of the trouble in Ukraine. It was all about being pro-EU and all the rest of it,” he said, referring to the pro-EU Maidan revolution in Ukraine in 2014. “There were a lot of corrupt politicians in Ukraine. And while they were doing that, there were an awful lot of people [in Ukraine] playing with Nazi imagery, and going back to the [Second World] war, and all that. So, it’s not just that this stuff has sprung from one place.”

Lynch’s line about the role of Nazi or neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine resembles that of the Kremlin’s. But in March, Lynch and the RMT condemned the invasion and called for the Russian army to withdraw.
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Not disimilar to what Farage was saying then?

Nigel Farage hits out at 'militarist' EU over Ukraine | Nigel Farage | The Guardian

Ukip leader says European Union pursued quasi-imperial foreign policy and encouraged Ukrainians to 'poke the Russian bear'
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com

Funny how Brexiters, left and right, were saying the same thing. It’s almost as if they’d swallowed Putin’s propaganda hook line and sinker.
 
Loco said:
What will everyone do when everything becomes automated? Who will have all the money? What is the cost in human terms? Empty lives?
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There are some really interesting studies that have been written around this. Guaranteed income strategies etc

The future if we haven’t already fried our own planet will be almost zero manufacturing, logistics, front of house type roles as they can be easily replaced with more efficient AI based solutions. (I’d still have more faith in driver less vehicles than many drivers i see on the road today) so humans will need to find other options to fill their days
 
Chunkylad said:
There are some really interesting studies that have been written around this. Guaranteed income strategies etc

The future if we haven’t already fried our own planet will be almost zero manufacturing, logistics, front of house type roles as they can be easily replaced with more efficient AI based solutions. (I’d still have more faith in driver less vehicles than many drivers i see on the road today) so humans will need to find other options to fill their days
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Yes. But people will also need to earn money. To spend in the economy. To keep the economy….and the robots….going.

Unless the robots just keep producing stuff that no one can afford. But which other robots scrap and recycle. In a virtuous circle. Which also includes money. Circling around to no end.

While humans just starve to death because they have no jobs and no money to spend and then become extinct.

Natural Evolution I suppose. Just not the way we expected.
 
I think we're largely missing the point of stuff here.

The low paid RMT workers (average around 25-30k cited today on news) are a bellwether for all similar workers. Be it nurses, ambulance drivers, care workers, support staff or whoever.

There are people performing important services being paid shit wages and facing at best, a joyless life and worst, fuel poverty.

Society doesn't function without people doing these roles and arguing that a nurse earns less or more than a train cleaner or whatever doesn't get anyone anywhere.

People have no choice but to a) protect their employment and b) push for pay rises cos currently an offer of £400 in October to pay your gas bills will see you through a month or so at best according to projections.

Unless the government get a grip on this situation, there will be absolute carnage. Currently, they show no sign of doing so and are perfectly happy to parade about 'getting tough' on anything they can, be it migrants, football fans, strikers, their own leader or whatever, other than actually ** do something about the situation.

Even ** Keith has come up with a plan and his whole schtick is he has nowt so radical as a plan.
 
Wizaard said:
Station staff start on £17,500 for a 45 hour week, and go to a max of £27,500. The CEO gets more than that every half hour.
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Why do you spout rubbish all the time?

The CEO is on c£590k per annum.

£590,000.00 / 52 weeks / 45 hours = £252.14 per hour.

Therefore he earns £126.07 per half hour, which is a little bit less (to say the least) than you suggest.

Which by the way to a person in control of a company that employs over 40,000 people is not that much.
 
seasideone said:
Why do you spout rubbish all the time?

The CEO is on c£590k per annum.

£590,000.00 / 52 weeks / 45 hours = £252.14 per hour.

Therefore he earns £126.07 per half hour, which is a little bit less (to say the least) than you suggest.

Which by the way to a person in control of a company that employs over 40,000 people is not that much.
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That's all right then. Pittance.

You're so literal. And by the way, he's not doing a 45 hour week or shifts, or weekends, I can guarantee that.
 
Wizaard said:
That's all right then. Pittance.

You're so literal. And by the way, he's not doing a 45 hour week or shifts, or weekends, I can guarantee that.
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Massive difference to what you said and most CEOs I know do far more than 45hrs per week.
 
Wizaard said:
That's all right then. Pittance.

You're so literal. And by the way, he's not doing a 45 hour week or shifts, or weekends, I can guarantee that.
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Come on Wiz, play the game.

You'd be the first to jump on seasideone if he were to state the slightest of untruths.
 
Wizaard said:
The obvious argument, as you acknowledge, is that the infrastructure isn't in place, nor will it be, because privatised businesses are too busy extracting funds as shareholder dividends, unlike the state owned Chinese, Japanese and Singapore railways you offer up as evidence.

Ironically, the shareholders in our railways are the German, French and Italian Governments through their rail operations, taking money from us to invest in their own superior infrastructure.
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What makes you so sure those countries have a superior infrastructure?
 
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