Training ground update

Forgive my ignorance, but why, if the facilities won’t be open to the public do we need so many pitches?
Same reason most teams have multiple pitches.
You could have training sessions at all levels on any given day. Or on a Saturday/Sunday morning could have dev/under 18s/under 16s etc all playing a game.

Would imagine there's also an element of pitch rotation to prevent overuse and damage.
 
Not in division three he won’t. Championship is the priority. That is the time to build infrastructure. Anything built now would be a compromise because there is neither the cash or need to justify doing the job right now. You’d end up with a fragmented build over years.
Why is Championship the time to build?
How do we know the cash isn't there?.
There's every need to justify doing it now. Otherwise we have to keep playing catch-up. And we've been trying to catch up for a long time in terms of Infra...
 
Forgive my ignorance, but why, if the facilities won’t be open to the public do we need so many pitches?
It'll have the main squad plus the youth and dev sides playing under a unified setup. There's 2 at SG and I think they'll both be in use by the 1st team squad.

1 is the exhibition pitch, but why you might need more than another 6 after that then IDK, as we have 3 levels don't we?
 
It'll have the main squad plus the youth and dev sides playing under a unified setup. There's 2 at SG and I think they'll both be in use by the 1st team squad.

1 is the exhibition pitch, but why you might need more than another 6 after that then IDK, as we have 3 levels don't we?
That’s what I don’t understand. We don’t have that many teams
 
The original outline plans for the latter phase of the Revoe development does suggest an indoor sports / conference facility on the land through to Central Drive, but purely for public / community use. That would be years away, because it would require much more funding to buy far more properties, clear the site and build a substantive structure. It would also be insufficient for the clubs first and academy teams needs. The pitches in the first phases are purely for public and community needs as well, not for club training.
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Which is shown on the initial picture releasd, but since then the pitches layout has changed a fair bit.
 
My thoughts for what they are worth is that there should be an indoor Training facility built on the land adjacent to the proposed new East Stand. This is not just Back Henry Street but all the land framed by Central Drive to the East. This would be a shared use facility both for the community and Football Club slap bang in the middle of Blackpool. The current scheme with one full size artificial pitch and a couple of five-a-side pitches just seems like a token gesture to me. An indoor multi-sport facility used all year round would be great for the town, create new jobs and revenue.
I have to say Ive thought this all along and fully agree what a great idea it would be. I just dont understand why this is not being implemented.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but why, if the facilities won’t be open to the public do we need so many pitches?
First team needs multiple pitches - there will be an exhibition pitch for actual matches, a couple of pitches for day to day training that mirror BR and then there will be a couple that are different sizes to match the set ups elsewhere. Throw in some GK specific training pitches and set piece practice areas and you need 4/5 pitches - possibly more just for the senior team. It’s not like BR where you only play for 90 minutes once a fortnight. It’s trained on day in day out in all weather. You need multiple pitches so you can rotate and protect the infrastructure.
Throw in pitches for the academy (similar principles) and that why you need the sheer volume.
 
Why is Championship the time to build?
How do we know the cash isn't there?.
There's every need to justify doing it now. Otherwise we have to keep playing catch-up. And we've been trying to catch up for a long time in terms of Infra...
We've no idea if the cash is there, presumably it is but under what conditions?

We need more information on that point; the t&c's.

I really think people underestimate how pivotal this investment could be to the future of BFC, both positive and negative.
 
Not in division three he won’t. Championship is the priority. That is the time to build infrastructure. Anything built now would be a compromise because there is neither the cash or need to justify doing the job right now. You’d end up with a fragmented build over years.
How do you or anyone else know the finances of our owner? He’s already justified it and half the properties on BHS have been purchased and the rest are ongoing. Prices of materials have risen but at the end of the day if it is dragged out it may never happen at all? Everyone else is powerless to do anything about it and it is up to SS whether or not it goes ahead and when. But he will recover most or all that he spends on infrastructure. That’s my opinion on it regardless of when it is built…. If.
 
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Which is shown on the initial picture releasd, but since then the pitches layout has changed a fair bit.
Was that an indoor sports building? I always assumed when I saw this it would be commercial space, maybe a new club shop and a few other bits
 
I don’t think the ground will look like that either when it’s finished.
No it's an old mock-up, just completing the ground as per the other side and ignoring the hotel.

The most recent area plans were this I think...

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Although there are no actual east plans yet so could be different there.
 
I assume the arcade building / old No.1 club also gets demolished?
You would presume so, will have to if they stick to that, however those mock-ups are quite old now, arent accurate anyway, subject to change and who knows what that final area will be.
 
Half remembered it.

Potential for new, so something that could happen if the need arises and fortunes change. Would probably make a really good fan zone pre match.
There's quite a few things mentioned there and that building or buildings would be massive.

So there's...proposed commercial and events buildings, new performance and conference development, community retail and housing proposals....

🤔
 
As I said, nothing wrong with planning big and scaling down into phases.

Have been looking at AFL (architects) and some of their projects. A lot start off like ours design wise, and then change materials wise and style.
Bournemouth for example started with wood and glass, and I believe has changed to brick and cladding now it has got underway. Taken them 5 years to get there though.
Southampton design didn't seem to change (Bizarre wooden thing) and Chelsea's similar to the design.
Can only wait and see. A good intelligent speculation thread here and there is good though
 
Just a point regarding the training ground, from Staining Road End and going up Normoss Road towards the Highcross Pub there is on the left a road called Benedict Drive which leads to the area of the proposed training ground with a housing estate on the right. Has this road not been considered as a access road for the training ground. Does anyone know if this has been considered ?.
 
Just a point regarding the training ground, from Staining Road End and going up Normoss Road towards the Highcross Pub there is on the left a road called Benedict Drive which leads to the area of the proposed training ground with a housing estate on the right. Has this road not been considered as a access road for the training ground. Does anyone know if this has been considered ?.
I'd imagine it has. I'd assume they looked at traffic and site access. You'd imagine traffic from Dinmore into the entrance is lower than Hardhorn road.

You'd also need to create a road that will disrupt the public right of way that will need to be rerouted around the site.
 
How do you or anyone else know the finances of our owner? He’s already justified it and half the properties on BHS have been purchased and the rest are ongoing. Prices of materials have risen but at the end of the day if it is dragged out it may never happen at all? Everyone else is powerless to do anything about it and it is up to SS whether or not it goes ahead and when. But he will recover most or all that he spends on infrastructure. That’s my opinion on it regardless of when it is built…. If.
Based on what? Plenty of clubs have built plenty of things and if they don’t prioritize business over vanity and control costs these infrastructure items add nothing to the purchase price. Look at Bolton. Sadler’s gamble will be if we get decent fees for players we develop but contracts don’t amount to much and players fees may be determined by tribunal. Best we are in the championship before we start spending on this.
 
Just a point regarding the training ground, from Staining Road End and going up Normoss Road towards the Highcross Pub there is on the left a road called Benedict Drive which leads to the area of the proposed training ground with a housing estate on the right. Has this road not been considered as a access road for the training ground. Does anyone know if this has been considered ?.
They seem to be trying to keep the building development and access on the west (Blackpool side) of the site and keep most of of the rest of the site as 'green' development or natural geen belt between the training ground and the housing estates and Baines school on the eastern side. Makes sense and is probably cheaper, with less tarmac
 
Based on what? Plenty of clubs have built plenty of things and if they don’t prioritize business over vanity and control costs these infrastructure items add nothing to the purchase price. Look at Bolton. Sadler’s gamble will be if we get decent fees for players we develop but contracts don’t amount to much and players fees may be determined by tribunal. Best we are in the championship before we start spending on this.
Then you get into the championship where a good chunk of cash needs to be spent on players and wages, over inflated for the most part by those at the top in receipt of parachute payments attempting to go back up.
You see clubs in mountains of debt, clearly overspending to maintain positions or attempting to go up.

So we go up, have to spend way more on players to become stable, then somehow find the cash to build infrastructure?
Why shouldn't we build for the future now, or at least put the foundational pillars in.
 
They seem to be trying to keep the building development and access on the west (Blackpool side) of the site and keep most of of the rest of the site as 'green' development or natural geen belt between the training ground and the housing estates and Baines school on the eastern side. Makes sense and is probably cheaper, with less tarmac
I was told it’s to do with the least tarmac.
I’d considered that other entrance, along with the other option onto Garstang Rd.

Btw, that green belt area to the east of the site would make an excellent site for a discrete running track.
 
It’s one of very few intelligent discussions on here. Your input, for what it’s worth, doesn’t fit into that category.
I am sorry that you think that, but at the time I posted, the discussion was based on assumptions about Sadler's wealth etc .Lots of folk, including you, arguing on the basis of guesswork of this and that does not, in my opinion, represent intelligent discussion. More like a la recherche du temps perdu.
 
They seem to be trying to keep the building development and access on the west (Blackpool side) of the site and keep most of of the rest of the site as 'green' development or natural geen belt between the training ground and the housing estates and Baines school on the eastern side. Makes sense and is probably cheaper, with less tarmac
It's interesting in the wording of the greenbelt report posted on the last page, it's classed as an expansion of Blackpool into the greenbelt. I mean it is accessed from Blackpool so does make sense in a way, even though it's outside the boundary and wouldn't be in Blackpool and the responsible council wouldn't be them either...

Unless they are changing the actual boundary, which doesn't seem likely. But for e.g. bin collection, would wyre council really have to go through a Blackpool estate to get to that one place for this site...?
 
It's interesting in the wording of the greenbelt report posted on the last page, it's classed as an expansion of Blackpool into the greenbelt. I mean it is accessed from Blackpool so does make sense in a way, even though it's outside the boundary and wouldn't be in Blackpool and the responsible council wouldn't be them either...

Unless they are changing the actual boundary, which doesn't seem likely. But for e.g. bin collection, would wyre council really have to go through a Blackpool estate to get to that one place for this site...?
Did I not read that access couldn't be via a housing area? Something to do with volume and coaches/lorries.
 
I am sorry that you think that, but at the time I posted, the discussion was based on assumptions about Sadler's wealth etc .Lots of folk, including you, arguing on the basis of guesswork of this and that does not, in my opinion, represent intelligent discussion. More like a la recherche du temps perdu.
Why did you feel the need to read it all? Then post a comment as you did. Just ignore it if you haven’t got anything constructive to say.

Your comment in French doesn’t even make any sense. Best stick to things you know.
 
Why did you feel the need to read it all? Then post a comment as you did. Just ignore it if you haven’t got anything constructive to say.

Your comment in French doesn’t even make any sense. Best stick to things you know.
Well it made sense to Proust.
 
Then you get into the championship where a good chunk of cash needs to be spent on players and wages, over inflated for the most part by those at the top in receipt of parachute payments attempting to go back up.
You see clubs in mountains of debt, clearly overspending to maintain positions or attempting to go up.

So we go up, have to spend way more on players to become stable, then somehow find the cash to build infrastructure?
Why shouldn't we build for the future now, or at least put the foundational pillars in.
Not a fan of spending money I haven't earned. I don't think we'll have to spend a fortune to be stable in the championship. Our premier league team didn't cost a fortune did it and they could easily hold their own in the championship. I'd spend the money when we're in the championship because we've money coming in and our players when transferred will command a higher fee. I'd be in no rush to get into the premier league. If it happens it happens and there are plenty of players who would be happy to use us as a shop window so we'd be fine. League one is a financial abyss and our priority is to focus all our energy on getting out of it.
 
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