Training ground update

Poolfoot is constantly busy, all day, every day. It must bring in quite a lot of cash. Also, the place is apparently buzzing. Ours will feel quite flat by comparison. A brown building, with hardly any BFC branding, and a few people rattling around on the odd days they are in. Players’ don’t even have a dedicated area to mingle, have their lunch etc.
There will be a decade of cash restrictions from SS while he pays it off. No attempt to engage with all the local community and turn those Man City supporters into BFC supporters. Makes no sense.
Doesn't have an area to mingle, have lunch, Where's that from?

From the plans there appears to be areas that could be just that and it won't be worse than SG, surely.

Although I just had a look and hard to say what is what without labels, sure there was one with labels.
 
No idea what that means and stand by my original comment whilst validating your comments. The Glazers have used every trick in the book and did so from the start. Just selling a portion to R covered their purchase price and then some.
I don't even know the point you were making, just pointing out you made it to yourself.

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Doesn't have an area to mingle, have lunch, Where's that from?

From the plans there appears to be areas that could be just that and it won't be worse than SG, surely.

Although I just had a look and hard to say what is what without labels, sure there was one with labels.
From the main designer, herself.
 
Poolfoot is constantly busy, all day, every day. It must bring in quite a lot of cash. Also, the place is apparently buzzing. Ours will feel quite flat by comparison. A brown building, with hardly any BFC branding, and a few people rattling around on the odd days they are in. Players’ don’t even have a dedicated area to mingle, have their lunch etc.
There will be a decade of cash restrictions from SS while he pays it off. No attempt to engage with all the local community and turn those Man City supporters into BFC supporters. Makes no sense.
I've been there. Felt like a football themed local when I was there, granted it was in the evening.

I'd assume that both sites are vastly different in terms of what can and can't be designed there. Add in the mountains of reports on biodiversity, etc etc.....Timber roof in keeping with the landscape doesn't seem to bad. Can't be ruining the landscape for people can we...


Although I just had a look and hard to say what is what without labels, sure there was one with labels.

Level 1 floor plan, shared seating area with Balcony I think.
 
The first question makes no sense as I don’t know the man. Sponsorship if used judiciously is a perfectly fine way of helping your club. The charges for Everton and upcoming for city focused/will focus on many areas. I would imagine with city it will involve cross pollination with their sister clubs and payments for transfers. Moving forward I imagine more players will become corporations to ring fence assets.
You first said something along the lines of "when he moves on we'll see what he's really like"

You then said "we'll see how altruistic he is".

When I ask you how altruistic you expect him to be you say I make no sense! How on earth
can you judge Sadler in the future if you cannot define the criteria now by which to judge him?

Remainder removed.
 
Just to give a small indication of Sadler's wealth, based on latest Companies House reports, he took dividends of £14.5m (April 2021) and £12m (April 2022) from the UK arm of Segantii alone. In September 2022 net assets of UK operations was £15.25m. He is the only person of significant control and owns over 75 % of shares (could be 100 %).

Revenues and profits (and most likely net assets) of Hong Kong operation will be significantly higher so his wealth if going to be in the hundreds of millions if not more. Funds being managed were reported as $5.3Bn at beginning of 2024 so revenues using 2:20 principal would be in region of $150 - 200m per annum. How you value Segantii as a company isn't straightforward as a lot of the value will be based on Simon Sadler's reputation (ie if he sold and agreed to continue to manage it would be a multiple of he sold and walked away) - could be valued from low hundreds of millions to close to a billion (in dollars) dependent upon a number of factors.

Talk of his net worth being £40 to £50m is pretty risible.
 
It’s not like it’s an area of outstanding natural beauty. Had that issue myself up at Bowland.
There will be the usual newts etc to factor in. That’s to be expected.
Didn’t stop that massive new housing estate going up and none of them appear to have a timber roof 😁
 
It’s not like it’s an area of outstanding natural beauty. Had that issue myself up at Bowland.
There will be the usual newts etc to factor in. That’s to be expected.
Didn’t stop that massive new housing estate going up and none of them appear to have a timber roof 😁
Big difference between housing that is probably deemed as needed (but probably ended up unaffordable for most) and a training ground.
Maybe we need to build a pub on site to appease and get it through quicker.
Poolfoot took 11 months to finally approve by the looks of it. We are getting close to that marker now. (may 2023 received)
 
You first said something along the lines of "when he moves on we'll see what he's really like"

You then said "we'll see how altruistic he is".

When I ask you how altruistic you expect him to be you say I make no sense! How on earth
can you judge Sadler in the future if you cannot define the criteria now by which to judge him?

Remainder removed.
Silly boy. Look up what altruistic means and the details of his exit compared to the definition will determine his grade and legacy as owner. It’s not rocket science.
 
Big difference between housing that is probably deemed as needed (but probably ended up unaffordable for most) and a training ground.
Maybe we need to build a pub on site to appease and get it through quicker.
Poolfoot took 11 months to finally approve by the looks of it. We are getting close to that marker now. (may 2023 received)
Is a training ground a priority when we are seemingly mired in division 3? Not for me it isn’t.
 
So whilst searching based on @tangerine_neil comments above, I decided to have a look at the planning on Blackpool Council website, yes it's on both Blackpool and Wyre.

So I found there was a recent upload, well 11th Jan 2024, so pretty recent.

Here is the link and the document is can be viewed.


If it doesn't go straight there the planning reference is 23/0429.

Interesting that there still a lot of work going on and things being added for, according to some, a project that isn't going to happen...

Also, new to me anyway, new site layout and an extra pitch....

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Here was the old picture that was circulated...

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Weirdly those 'newer' pics seem to date back to quite a while ago but I don't recall seeing them...

Plus saw this...

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Go and have a look.
 
Silly boy. Look up what altruistic means and the details of his exit compared to the definition will determine his grade and legacy as owner. It’s not rocket science.
His altruism could extend fron 500 quid to 500m quid. That's why I asked you what your expectation is because you should judge him versus your expectations. If you expect 1m and he delivers 2m then he's judged differently than if you expect 50m and he delivers 30m.
 
I've been there. Felt like a football themed local when I was there, granted it was in the evening.

I'd assume that both sites are vastly different in terms of what can and can't be designed there. Add in the mountains of reports on biodiversity, etc etc.....Timber roof in keeping with the landscape doesn't seem to bad. Can't be ruining the landscape for people can we...




Level 1 floor plan, shared seating area with Balcony I think.
Yeah there's area that show as shared, I'd assume those were something along those lines...
 
Just to give a small indication of Sadler's wealth, based on latest Companies House reports, he took dividends of £14.5m (April 2021) and £12m (April 2022) from the UK arm of Segantii alone. In September 2022 net assets of UK operations was £15.25m. He is the only person of significant control and owns over 75 % of shares (could be 100 %).

Revenues and profits (and most likely net assets) of Hong Kong operation will be significantly higher so his wealth if going to be in the hundreds of millions if not more. Funds being managed were reported as $5.3Bn at beginning of 2024 so revenues using 2:20 principal would be in region of $150 - 200m per annum. How you value Segantii as a company isn't straightforward as a lot of the value will be based on Simon Sadler's reputation (ie if he sold and agreed to continue to manage it would be a multiple of he sold and walked away) - could be valued from low hundreds of millions to close to a billion (in dollars) dependent upon a number of factors.

Talk of his net worth being £40 to £50m is pretty risible.
Cheers, good post.
 
Bit short sighted isn't it?
Why wouldn't you build for the longer term?
Would a new facility not help to attract players both first team and academy, and build towards a future higher up?
Yes it would but look around at all the clubs who have already done this. How many can say it’s an asset that generates regular income? I’ll wager not many. I’d definitely do it but the priority is to get out of league one.
 
Interesting those JJ. 👍

I’ll have a proper look when I’m not busy.
The indoor pitch is half-sized. Looks massive on those illustrations.
 
Yes it would but look around at all the clubs who have already done this. How many can say it’s an asset that generates regular income? I’ll wager not many. I’d definitely do it but the priority is to get out of league one.
You are trying to talk as an authority on a subject that you clearly know fuck all about. Keep it up, it's quite amusing.
 
Cheers, good post.
Interesting but doesn’t give any indication of a persons wealth.

I’ve no doubt he has a few bob. But it’s not as simple to suggest all that money sloshing about ends up in SS account.

He doesn’t appear on any rich lists, including football owners, hedge fund owners etc

If his wealth was north of 1/2 a billion he would feature surely??
 
Bit short sighted isn't it?
Why wouldn't you build for the longer term?
Would a new facility not help to attract players both first team and academy, and build towards a future higher up?
Correct.
More so WTF has what league we're in got to do with anything?
We've Squires Gate with it's inclement weather and a few porta cabins embarrassing.

Compare it to Fylde and other non league sides we're miles behind,we've got a pathetic training ground.

So whatever the plans are for a FL club we need better.
 
Interesting but doesn’t give any indication of a persons wealth.

I’ve no doubt he has a few bob. But it’s not as simple to suggest all that money sloshing about ends up in SS account.

He doesn’t appear on any rich lists, including football owners, hedge fund owners etc

If his wealth was north of 1/2 a billion he would feature surely??
Not everyone wants to flaunt their wealth. It makes business hard and draws crosshairs on themselves and their families.
 
Yes it would but look around at all the clubs who have already done this. How many can say it’s an asset that generates regular income? I’ll wager not many. I’d definitely do it but the priority is to get out of league one.
And then the problem is staying up. Showing players around SG isn't the best advert for recruitment, although at least we have a correctly spelled sign there now.

And as an asset generating income, does player trading come into the generating income figure, as it surely plays some part in the recruitment and development of profitable assets.
 
Correct.
More so WTF has what league we're in got to do with anything?
We've Squires Gate with it's inclement weather and a few porta cabins embarrassing.

Compare it to Fylde and other non league sides we're miles behind,we've got a pathetic training ground.

So whatever the plans are for a FL club we need better.
Yep it really stopped Rhodes and Dembele signing for us didn’t it?
 
Interesting but doesn’t give any indication of a persons wealth.

I’ve no doubt he has a few bob. But it’s not as simple to suggest all that money sloshing about ends up in SS account.

He doesn’t appear on any rich lists, including football owners, hedge fund owners etc

If his wealth was north of 1/2 a billion he would feature surely??
You only appear on those lists if you want to.
 
Not everyone wants to flaunt their wealth. It makes business hard and draws crosshairs on themselves and their families.
I agree but there is a point when your estimated wealth does become common knowledge. That I reckon is when you’re possibly on your way to a billion pounds.

Listen I don’t think he’s anywhere near that personally but those figures suggest annual income is huge year on year.

However as Simon clearly stated he doesn’t have the wherewithal to compete at the top of the Championship and that is telling.
 
Yep it really stopped Rhodes and Dembele signing for us didn’t it?
Why bring that up?
Players will go wherever their going to get paid and get game time.

If you don't think Squires Gate is third rate and not worthy of a FL side in this era you really are clueless.

Go and have a walk round Cod's and Fylde training ground and come back.
 
I mentioned this earlier in the thread. The newest docs (work carried out Dec) look like its an argument over boundary lines and the 'greenfield preservation' issues. But not a planning/legal person.. just interested fan
This may be a daft question, but where do you get the boundary disagreement from? I have only had chance to skim some docs on that link so far, so I'm guessing there's something there.
 
We shouldn't be building a stand for away fans the challenge for the club is to get more home fans in not planning for away numbers
I’m not sure anyone is suggesting that we should be building it for away fans. However, if the Club have concerns about making a return until such time as we have adequately increased our home support, there would certainly be no difficulty in filling any available capacity with larger away followings, in the short term (assuming we get back in the Championship)…
 
This may be a daft question, but where do you get the boundary disagreement from? I have only had chance to skim some docs on that link so far, so I'm guessing there's something there.
As I say, I have but a basic brain.
There's a greenbelt doc from the 8th of Jan I think it was.
Mention of Blackpool development and Wyre greenbelt, buffer zones etc etc.
I could be close or 1000 miles off it.
 
Interesting but doesn’t give any indication of a persons wealth.

I’ve no doubt he has a few bob. But it’s not as simple to suggest all that money sloshing about ends up in SS account.

He doesn’t appear on any rich lists, including football owners, hedge fund owners etc

If his wealth was north of 1/2 a billion he would feature surely??
No idea about lists but it gives a good indication that he's probably got a lot more than people thought, given the numbers mentioned and the money he could have made just since owning BFC, nevermind his life before that.
 
Why can’t they just improve SG?
Okay it’s been improved since SS took over, but far more could be done with it. Without a decent training facility, we’re not going to attract the anywhere near the best, especially if and when we go back up.
 
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