Two jab holidays

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Government considering allowing those who have had two jabs to go to amber list holidays. Kay Burley banging on that it’s discriminatory against those under 30. I guess you could argue that not approving it discriminates against those who have had two jabs and want to go on holiday. Difficult decision.
 
If you cast your mind back to the start of the pandemic, old people were continually banging on about how selfish the under 30s were by insisting on partying when they should be observing lockdown. Even though youngsters were at very little risk from the virus. “We’re all in this together” was the mantra.

Now that the oldies have had their two jabs they expect to be able to be allowed to party and woe betide any youngsters who might complain that they can’t do the same.

Not a good look.
 
Shandypants said:
What is this bloody obsession with a weeks holiday. Is it being whipped up as a distraction or is it a genuine thing? If you're that desperate time to reassess your life, it's one or two weeks in 52.
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I totally agree. But I have friends who see it as a massive thing because they’ve had the luxury of foreign travel breaks 2 or 3 times a year for years.
It shouldn’t be a big deal to forgo foreign travel for a year or two whilst we get through the pandemic.

You can recharge just as easily in this country if you use your imagination wisely.

I will go abroad again when things have settled, but am quite happy waiting until then.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
If you cast your mind back to the start of the pandemic, old people were continually banging on about how selfish the under 30s were by insisting on partying when they should be observing lockdown. Even though youngsters were at very little risk from the virus. “We’re all in this together” was the mantra.

Now that the oldies have had their two jabs they expect to be able to be allowed to party and woe betide any youngsters who might complain that they can’t do the same.

Not a good look.
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I would only bring it in though when everyone had been offered their second jab.

Which then negates the oldies argument.
 
There’s resistance from the younger generation for various reasons in having the jabs, this could be a government tactic to force them in to it. The other problem l see is that the public has lost confidence in anything the government announce related to overseas holidays, the traffic light system has been nothing short of farcical and whilst some people may consider booking holidays abroad, there will be many who may be reluctant to part with their cash.
 
Shandypants said:
What is this bloody obsession with a weeks holiday. Is it being whipped up as a distraction or is it a genuine thing? If you're that desperate time to reassess your life, it's one or two weeks in 52.
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Travel industry losing money hand over fist, need to get back to somewhere near normal otherwise we will see airlines going bust. This scenario would be bad for everyone including under 30's who generally find it more difficult to get good jobs when there is high unemployment.
Nothing wrong with this idea IMO, we need to get the economy back on track ASAP. The vaccination works, I was able to travel without isolating last summer, we are in a far better position now. Life isn't fair and we are in extraordinary circumstances.
 
Oh and I suppose Club 18-30 isn’t discriminatory against older people eh?

Not that I ever did by the way and thank Christ I’m way over age now!

Agree that there is an obsession about “the week(s) away” - love my foreign holidays but not even thinking about it for at least another year, an happy and lucky enough to have the little touring van and making the most of the beautiful Lake District on our doorstep - whilst we can!

Even if we didn’t have that then content to “potter about” at home for now.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Travel industry losing money hand over fist, need to get back to somewhere near normal otherwise we will see airlines going bust. This scenario would be bad for everyone including under 30's who generally find it more difficult to get good jobs when there is high unemployment.
Nothing wrong with this idea IMO, we need to get the economy back on track ASAP. The vaccination works, I was able to travel without isolating last summer, we are in a far better position now. Life isn't fair and we are in extraordinary circumstances.
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The money hadn't left the economy its being redirected. Building work and home improvements are running at unprecedented levels. I think the mantra of getting the economy back on track is a myth, the money is being spent but not in pubs or foreign holidays but elsewhere.
 
Shandypants said:
The money hadn't left the economy its being redirected. Building work and home improvements are running at unprecedented levels. I think the mantra of getting the economy back on track is a myth, the money is being spent but not in pubs or foreign holidays but elsewhere.
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Several airlines have major problems and are putting pressure on the government. It's is in everybody's interest for them not to fold. We have to display some confidence in the vaccine, we have all done the right thing on the understanding that we can return to normal asap. Prolonging stuff for the sake of it is self harm for our economy.
 
Just because you have had 2 jabs (which I have had) it does not mean that you cannot carry and transmit a variant brought in from abroad. And very few countries have managed anything like the vaccination coverage that the UK has achieved so far. And even in the UK only about 50% of the adult population have had 2nd jabs, so anything brought back can still have s significant impact. I can't understand this mania for going abroad this summer when infection rates are rising and the vaccination programme is incomplete. Keep our borders as secure as possible, focus on opening up and getting the UK back to some normality first. The reason we are in a third wave is because we didn't properly secure our borders against the Indian variant
 
All my family have had their two vaccinations but we’ve no intentions of going abroad this year ( I miss my holidays so much)
We will make it for it when we feel safe enough to go without all the tests social distancing masks quarantine etc. Waited to go 18 months so we can wait another 18 months if need be
We’re gonna have a couple of nights somewhere in the uk. Maybe the lakes or Edinburgh in August/September
 
My lad, who's 24, had his first jab yesterday in Rossendale, after booking on Tuesday. He booked in his second jab for August 31st. He was told that he can scrap the second booking and come back in 3 weeks instead.
If you are not against having the vaccine, there seems to me to be no excuse for those in their 20's or 30's not to have it.
Wait until they say you can't go into a pub without having both. The queues will be endless.
 
Europe is allowing travel for all double vaccinated. The travel industry will be broke if we don't follow Europe. It's your choice not to travel. My choice is to be on the first plane to France as soon as I don't have to quarantine.
 
Shandypants said:
The money hadn't left the economy its being redirected. Building work and home improvements are running at unprecedented levels. I think the mantra of getting the economy back on track is a myth, the money is being spent but not in pubs or foreign holidays but elsewhere.
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There must be 10 houses on our road with scaffolding up for various home improvements.
 
bfcpete said:
Just because you have had 2 jabs (which I have had) it does not mean that you cannot carry and transmit a variant brought in from abroad. And very few countries have managed anything like the vaccination coverage that the UK has achieved so far. And even in the UK only about 50% of the adult population have had 2nd jabs, so anything brought back can still have s significant impact. I can't understand this mania for going abroad this summer when infection rates are rising and the vaccination programme is incomplete. Keep our borders as secure as possible, focus on opening up and getting the UK back to some normality first. The reason we are in a third wave is because we didn't properly secure our borders against the Indian variant
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Therein lies the hypocrisy in the government's current stance.
They allowed 20,000 mainly unvaccinated people to arrive from India whilst at the same time were aware of the harm caused by the Indian variant. About 5% of these were shown to be Covid + according to figures the government has quoted. According to the Sunday Times, this was done to curry favour with Modi in order to secure a trade deal. Yet the same government won't allow the vaccinated to travel to the relatively safe shores of Europe. Because of the Indian variant, it may well be that some EU countries put the UK on some sort of red list. The good news is that the vaccines work and we should be approaching herd immunity. The summer holidays should also slow the spread of infections as well.
Cases are up four fold (400%) since the variant came to our shores but numbers in hospital up by about 30% at just over 1000. We have to get back to normal sometime soon.
 
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Shandypants said:
What is this bloody obsession with a weeks holiday. Is it being whipped up as a distraction or is it a genuine thing? If you're that desperate time to reassess your life, it's one or two weeks in 52.
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Absolutely, it's like a weird brainwashing for the thick 'must have two weeks abroad....must have two weeks abroad....then spend at Christmas then spend at Christmas....then pay off credit card.......then book two weeks abroad........we are not sheep though.'

Sitting on a beach or around a pool is boring as fuck, I go insane.

I am a tad grumpy today though.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Absolutely, it's like a weird brainwashing for the thick 'must have two weeks abroad....must have two weeks abroad....then spend at Christmas then spend at Christmas....then pay off credit card.......then book two weeks abroad........we are not sheep though.'

Sitting on a beach or around a pool is boring as fuck, I go insane.

I am a tad grumpy today though.
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It's the freedom to travel and explore other cultures, I don't sit around a pool
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Absolutely, it's like a weird brainwashing for the thick 'must have two weeks abroad....must have two weeks abroad....then spend at Christmas then spend at Christmas....then pay off credit card.......then book two weeks abroad........we are not sheep though.'

Sitting on a beach or around a pool is boring as fuck, I go insane.

I am a tad grumpy today though.
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Just today?🤣🤣🤣
 
Sussex said:
I want to go to France to see my grandchild. I also want to go on a two week holiday to Spain. I have had both jabs and there is no reason why I should have to quarantine. Like many others, I see no issue in this proposal.
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I agree. There’s some miserable fuckers on here. Covid and it’s variants are going to be here for a long time. If people are vaccinated and are prepared to be tested prior to coming back, what’s the problem!
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Absolutely, it's like a weird brainwashing for the thick 'must have two weeks abroad....must have two weeks abroad....then spend at Christmas then spend at Christmas....then pay off credit card.......then book two weeks abroad........we are not sheep though.'

Sitting on a beach or around a pool is boring as fuck, I go insane.

I am a tad grumpy today though.
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What do you mean "go" and "today"
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Absolutely, it's like a weird brainwashing for the thick 'must have two weeks abroad....must have two weeks abroad....then spend at Christmas then spend at Christmas....then pay off credit card.......then book two weeks abroad........we are not sheep though.'

Sitting on a beach or around a pool is boring as fuck, I go insane.

I am a tad grumpy today though.
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Yes it's bollocks and air travel is buggering up the environment. Im sick of putting on the news and the lead seems to be a constant whine about holidays. Out of the world's 8 billion population i wonder what percentage have a holiday. Its even a modern phenomena in the western world, like a bunch of entitled brats. I pity those yuppie gap year students who've been deprived of dumping loads of shit at everest base camp.
 
Shandypants said:
Yes it's bollocks and air travel is buggering up the environment. Im sick of putting on the news and the lead seems to be a constant whine about holidays. Out of the world's 8 billion population i wonder what percentage have a holiday. Its even a modern phenomena in the western world, like a bunch of entitled brats. I pity those yuppie gap year students who've been deprived of dumping loads of shit at everest base camp.
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Don't get me started on them, finding themselves on a massively expensive trek to base camp, nearly as bad as the wankers who pay 40k to get pulled up Everest by the Sherpas.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Don't get me started on them, finding themselves on a massively expensive trek to base camp, nearly as bad as the wankers who pay 40k to get pulled up Everest by the Sherpas.
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The only trip I'd like to do is Vietnam, China, Russia, Laos, and North Korea and finish off in Cuba.
 
Shandypants said:
Yes it's bollocks and air travel is buggering up the environment. Im sick of putting on the news and the lead seems to be a constant whine about holidays. Out of the world's 8 billion population i wonder what percentage have a holiday. Its even a modern phenomena in the western world, like a bunch of entitled brats. I pity those yuppie gap year students who've been deprived of dumping loads of shit at everest base camp.
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You need to chill out!!!
 
Need two jabs that's not a cure. Forced to have a jab for work. Soon be burning books and armbands for the none vaccinated. Why not get ghettos up and running like Nazi's? Because that's what this country is turning into.
 
southshorepool said:
My lad, who's 24, had his first jab yesterday in Rossendale, after booking on Tuesday. He booked in his second jab for August 31st. He was told that he can scrap the second booking and come back in 3 weeks instead.
If you are not against having the vaccine, there seems to me to be no excuse for those in their 20's or 30's not to have it.
Wait until they say you can't go into a pub without having both. The queues will be endless.
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The more that the Government say you can't do this or that unless you have the covid jab then the more some people will dig their heels in and say they are not having it.
Let's be honest before this situation if you were vaccinated against something it gave you virtually 100% protection, what do these jabs give you?
 
gjr69 said:
The more that the Government say you can't do this or that unless you have the covid jab then the more some people will dig their heels in and say they are not having it.
Let's be honest before this situation if you were vaccinated against something it gave you virtually 100% protection, what do these jabs give you?
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Isn't it about 85% protection against serious illness?
 
southshorepool said:
Isn't it about 85% protection against serious illness?
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Possibly, but when the chances of survival and full recovery are so high for most people even without the jabs, and the average age of the dead is higher than the national life expectancy figure in the UK, I just think the best thing to have done would be to better fund the NHS to deal with excess respiratory illness.
I just can't see an end to this jabbing thing, they are already talking about boosters for the double jabbed!
 
As much as I would love to go away for a week or two I just can’t help but feel it wouldnt be right. I can’t imagine I would enjoy it the same either. There’s always next year. ( we hope 🙈 )
 
Sussex said:
Europe is allowing travel for all double vaccinated. The travel industry will be broke if we don't follow Europe. It's your choice not to travel. My choice is to be on the first plane to France as soon as I don't have to quarantine.
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A good point well made Sussex.

I have no intention of travelling anywhere this summer - nothing to do with Covid - but I have absolutely no problem with people that want to do so.

We have people telling us that they are not going on a foreign holiday this year, no problem with that either and they can holiday wherever they like but they are not going because when they consider all the factors - quarantine, other restrictions, price, health fears, etc etc - they just don't want to go abroad and they are not making some huge sacrifice for the good of the country.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
A good point well made Sussex.

I have no intention of travelling anywhere this summer - nothing to do with Covid - but I have absolutely no problem with people that want to do so.

We have people telling us that they are not going on a foreign holiday this year, no problem with that either and they can holiday wherever they like but they are not going because when they consider all the factors - quarantine, other restrictions, price, health fears, etc etc - they just don't want to go abroad and they are not making some huge sacrifice for the good of the country.
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Actually some people may be doing it absolutely for the good of others. We don’t know how many, but you cannot say that nobody is !
I’ll agree I’m not making a huge sacrifice at all. Like Lytham I find beach holidays tiresome and boring but like others a culture trip abroad is nice but not necessary.
No huge sacrifice at all for me, but there are some who love their holidays and still won’t go away for the sake of others.
Even if that’s just 10 people it still negates your point that everyone is pontificating without any altruistic intentions.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
A good point well made Sussex.

I have no intention of travelling anywhere this summer - nothing to do with Covid - but I have absolutely no problem with people that want to do so.

We have people telling us that they are not going on a foreign holiday this year, no problem with that either and they can holiday wherever they like but they are not going because when they consider all the factors - quarantine, other restrictions, price, health fears, etc etc - they just don't want to go abroad and they are not making some huge sacrifice for the good of the country.
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Heroes
 
Lala said:
Actually some people may be doing it absolutely for the good of others. We don’t know how many, but you cannot say that nobody is !
I’ll agree I’m not making a huge sacrifice at all. Like Lytham I find beach holidays tiresome and boring but like others a culture trip abroad is nice but not necessary.
No huge sacrifice at all for me, but there are some who love their holidays and still won’t go away for the sake of others.
Even if that’s just 10 people it still negates your point that everyone is pontificating without any altruistic intentions.
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LALA

I think you make a fair point that some might be doing it for the good of others but it certainly doesn't negate my point that "everyone is" pontificating without altruistic intentions because I never made such a point.

I said that "we have people telling us..........., but yes I take your point and perhaps I should have pointed out that SOME people are staying at home for the greater good.
 
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