Two jab holidays

SEASIDE2020 said:
LALA

I think you make a fair point that some might be doing it for the good of others but it certainly doesn't negate my point that "everyone is" pontificating without altruistic intentions because I never made such a point.

I said that "we have people telling us..........., but yes I take your point and perhaps I should have pointed out that SOME people are staying at home for the greater good.
Click to expand...
Agreed 👍
 
rockontommy said:
Heroes
Click to expand...

Tommy

Yes, a few heroes and a few who have considered all the factors and have decided that they don't want to holiday abroad because they consider the risk to be greater than the reward.

I don't have a problem with either and imagine that there are some cases when the heroes have also made their decision after considering all the factors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Tommy

Yes, a few heroes and a few who have considered all the factors and have decided that they don't want to holiday abroad because they consider the risk to be greater than the reward.

I don't have a problem with either and imagine that there are some cases when the heroes have also made their decision after considering all the factors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Click to expand...
Zero difference between holidaying in Cornwall to holidaying in Spain. Zero.

People are full of shit.
 
Lala said:
Actually some people may be doing it absolutely for the good of others. We don’t know how many, but you cannot say that nobody is !
I’ll agree I’m not making a huge sacrifice at all. Like Lytham I find beach holidays tiresome and boring but like others a culture trip abroad is nice but not necessary.
No huge sacrifice at all for me, but there are some who love their holidays and still won’t go away for the sake of others.
Even if that’s just 10 people it still negates your point that everyone is pontificating without any altruistic intentions.
Click to expand...
Sweeping statements rarely hold up to any scrutiny, people have written on here that anybody who doesn't get jabbed is a selfish, right wing, anti-vaxxing, conspiracy theory believing, nutter who is relying on everyone else getting jabbed!
People have other reasons for not being jabbed but most people jump to conclusions and are quick to judge while holding themselves up as altruistic heroes for receiving a jab that will make them safer, probably!
 
So everybody that wants a holiday and rushes off then Boris puts the countries on the red list whilst you’re away. Scurry to get back lose ya holiday and all the money it cost to go. May as well just wait till the the whole world is vaccinated and back to normal
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
That's good LALA and I did hear what you say.

Just to add, I was meaning that we shouldn't be hard on those taking foreign holidays and by that I mean legit foreign holidays within the agreed guidelines.
Click to expand...
I’m not going to go hard on anyone who does take a foreign holiday based on the guidance.
It’s not a priority for me though, which is why I agree with the OP, because we don’t prioritise foreign travel.
There will be some who do
prioritise foreign travel yet still don’t go when they can for the greater good. Let’s face it, without the need to quarantine if you’ve had your double jabs there are no real blockers in doing so.
So maybe a few ‘heroes’ though I’m
not one of them.
 
gjr69 said:
Sweeping statements rarely hold up to any scrutiny, people have written on here that anybody who doesn't get jabbed is a selfish, right wing, anti-vaxxing, conspiracy theory believing, nutter who is relying on everyone else getting jabbed!
People have other reasons for not being jabbed but most people jump to conclusions and are quick to judge while holding themselves up as altruistic heroes for receiving a jab that will make them safer, probably!
Click to expand...
I’m not judging anyone myself. I can see different arguments and reasonings on all sides of most of the debates regarding the pandemic.
If every problem had an easy and agreeable solution then all of the debates, conflict, economic and health issues would now be moot.
Sadly it isn’t the case.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
So everybody that wants a holiday and rushes off then Boris puts the countries on the red list whilst you’re away. Scurry to get back lose ya holiday and all the money it cost to go. May as well just wait till the the whole world is vaccinated and back to normal
Click to expand...

Exactamundo Michelle.

Not a problem with that and no problem with anybody considering all the factors and deciding to put their holidays abroad on hold.

I also don't have a problem with those who consider all the factors and decide that they would still like to holiday abroad.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
That's one way of putting it Tommy but it's not for me to say.
Click to expand...
I'll say it. People talk complete horse shit. "I need a passport to leave Thornton at the best of times but everyone should stay at home - apart from my breaks to the Lakes and Devon".

It's complete nonsense and needs calling out.
 
Lala said:
I’m not going to go hard on anyone who does take a foreign holiday based on the guidance.
It’s not a priority for me though, which is why I agree with the OP, because we don’t prioritise foreign travel.
There will be some who do
prioritise foreign travel yet still don’t go when they can for the greater good. Let’s face it, without the need to quarantine if you’ve had your double jabs there are no real blockers in doing so.
So maybe a few ‘heroes’ though I’m
not one of them.
Click to expand...

LALA

All fair enough.

I'm thinking our opinions will just differ on the number of heroes ?

I'm thinking that there are not that many heroes and just those who consider all the factors - the main ones being increased cost and increased risk of postponement and loss - and choose not to travel abroad.

I just feel that the "heroes" should maybe not be criticising those who decide to travel because IN SOME CASES they will just be heroes with more dough.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
LALA

All fair enough.

I'm thinking our opinions will just differ on the number of heroes ?

I'm thinking that there are not that many heroes and just those who consider all the factors - the main ones being increased cost and increased risk of postponement and loss - and choose not to travel abroad.

I just feel that the "heroes" should maybe not be criticising those who decide to travel because IN SOME CASES they will just be heroes with more dough.
Click to expand...
Yep, you have a point, I think we both have a point.
As I said the pandemic is a multifaceted conundrum.
There are heroes, hypocrites, deniers, fear mongers,politically blind stalwarts and complete morons on every side of every argument:
 
rockontommy said:
Captain Tom was a badass. Talk about going out in style, surrounded by hip hop Carribbean honeys.
Click to expand...
He was a ripe old age though.
I take some of your points on board Tommy, generally, but I’m in the happy medium ground to be honest. It’s comfortable and stress free there, so I like it 👍i Plus Im not a medical or scientific expert so tend to go along with the experts until they are proved otherwise.
 
Is this thread about the 10CC Song?

I say
I don’t like Covid, oh no
I hate it
I don’t like Covid, oh no
I hate it


I hurried back to Blackpool
Sinkin' pints of me bitter
I heard a dark voice beside me say
"Would you like some Astra Zeneca?"
She said, "I've got it, you want it
My drug it is the best
And if you try it, you'll have another
And wallow in a 2 jab holiday

I say
I don’t like Covid, oh no
I hate it
I don’t like Covid, oh no
I hate it
 
Lala said:
He was a ripe old age though.
I take some of your points on board Tommy, generally, but I’m in the happy medium ground to be honest. It’s comfortable and stress free there, so I like it 👍i Plus Im not a medical or scientific expert so tend to go along with the experts until they are proved otherwise.
Click to expand...
That's a fair stance that most people take. I've never accepted that there can ever be a better expert on my life and family than me.

Not a sniff I will let some dope in Whitehall tell me I can't see my Mum while they are playing tennis. Just part of my nature.
 
rockontommy said:
That's a fair stance that most people take. I've never accepted that there can ever be a better expert on my life and family than me.

Not a sniff I will let some dope in Whitehall tell me I can't see my Mum while they are playing tennis. Just part of my nature.
Click to expand...
Yep, I get that too.
I haven’t experienced some of the hardships others have, but have experienced my own in a different way,
I’m just a bit compliant at the moment maybe, picking my battles and all that. Again that’s self serving, but often that’s what most of us are. But not always I hasten to add !!
 
gjr69 said:
Possibly, but when the chances of survival and full recovery are so high for most people even without the jabs, and the average age of the dead is higher than the national life expectancy figure in the UK, I just think the best thing to have done would be to better fund the NHS to deal with excess respiratory illness.
I just can't see an end to this jabbing thing, they are already talking about boosters for the double jabbed!
Click to expand...
It’s the concern about the virus mutating to something that will bypass the current vaccine that’s driving the push for everyone to be vaccinated. Mutations are likely when the virus spreads and it spreads mostly amongst those not vaccinated.
 
gjr69 said:
I just can't see an end to this jabbing thing, they are already talking about boosters for the double jabbed!
Click to expand...
The really interesting aspect (once the risk of CV-death has diminished) is that for decades upon decades we have been told “there is no cure for the common cold because it’s a virus and mutates into a new strain every year so you can’t become immune”.

Well, true(ish). Actually, the truth was more that the common cold did not kill you and Big Pharma made more money out of useless cold remedies than all their cancer drugs put together. And it would cost a lot to find a cure they said.

The common cold is one of the family of coronaviruses, just like Covid. So if we are vaxxing against Covid and with booster jabs become relatively immune to the different variants arising, then it could be quite likely that we become immune to colds. So, yes, after spending tens of billions... we may now have a cure for the common cold as well ! No more winter sniffles, bunged-up sinuses and sore throats... possibly.
 
Last edited:
So Uefa are threatening to move the Euro Semis and Final to Hungary unless the government allow 2500 of their delegates and hanger ons into this country without the need to isolate iaw the government guidelines for amber listed countries. Watch the government bow to this threat whilst those who have had 2 jabs here and who want to go abroad have to be fully compliant!
 
I'm repeating myself from previous postings however for me no one should be holidaying abroad until all restrictions are lifted here and all have adults who want it have been vaccinated
Allowing people to return to the UK from the Indian sub-continent without hotel quarantining has clearly contributed towards the delay in relaxation of domestic restrictions
In addition it doesn't sit well with me that priority for foreign travel could be given to the older elements of our population when the younger elements have had to accept lockdown restrictions to protect them
We went into lockdown together and should come out of it together
 
Matesrates said:
It’s the concern about the virus mutating to something that will bypass the current vaccine that’s driving the push for everyone to be vaccinated. Mutations are likely when the virus spreads and it spreads mostly amongst those not vaccinated.
Click to expand...
I don't know enough about it, but I know that people who are double jabbed are still catching it and therefore possibly spreading it, much the same as the flu jab that some people have.
Maybe I have become cynical but I don't particularly trust the government or major pharmaceutical companies and this situation has given one the opportunity to increase its power and the other to increase its wealth.
Time will tell but I think it pays to look at things like this pandemic from a variety of angles and not blindly follow all government advice and instruction.
Personally having seen the quality of life of some elderly people who have possibly been sustained beyond their optimum point when it comes to quality of life, if this virus is the end of me so be it, its probably time to go.
I hope that doesn't sound horrible but I would rather have a healthy 70 than an illness ravaged last 15 and going on in to my mid 80s!
To sum up i think the jab should be down to individual choice.
 
gjr69 said:
I don't know enough about it, but I know that people who are double jabbed are still catching it and therefore possibly spreading it, much the same as the flu jab that some people have.
Maybe I have become cynical but I don't particularly trust the government or major pharmaceutical companies and this situation has given one the opportunity to increase its power and the other to increase its wealth.
Time will tell but I think it pays to look at things like this pandemic from a variety of angles and not blindly follow all government advice and instruction.
Personally having seen the quality of life of some elderly people who have possibly been sustained beyond their optimum point when it comes to quality of life, if this virus is the end of me so be it, its probably time to go.
I hope that doesn't sound horrible but I would rather have a healthy 70 than an illness ravaged last 15 and going on in to my mid 80s!
To sum up i think the jab should be down to individual choice.
Click to expand...
Do you mean like catching it should be down to personal choice? 🙄
 
Davepick said:
Do you mean like catching it should be down to personal choice? 🙄
Click to expand...
I'd rather not catch it, and as a public facing key worker same as my partner, we have worked through the whole thing with the most minimal protection maybe it isn't that easy to catch!
We have both been in the same confined area as people who have had it and not caught it.
We basically eat and live healthily, I have the occasional boozy session but not too many and like I say if we can't fight it off maybe it's our time to go.
Not that I want that to happen to us or anybody else right now!
 
gjr69 said:
I'd rather not catch it, and as a public facing key worker same as my partner, we have worked through the whole thing with the most minimal protection maybe it isn't that easy to catch!
We have both been in the same confined area as people who have had it and not caught it.
We basically eat and live healthily, I have the occasional boozy session but not too many and like I say if we can't fight it off maybe it's our time to go.
Not that I want that to happen to us or anybody else right now!
Click to expand...
Common sense post. Well said.

Average age of death in UK - 82
Average age of Covid deaths in UK- 83

99.9% recovery rate. Countless tales of people over these ages who have had it and recovered.

The jabbing of people at no risk to the virus and the testing and isolating of people with no symptoms of the virus who feel perfect normal and healthy and have nothing wrong with them needs to be knocked on the head immediately.

I feel sorry for all the immune systems out there, stay strong guys, it appears many people have forgotten you but some of us know you are there and still working fine 🙌🏽
 
Shandypants said:
Yes it's bollocks and air travel is buggering up the environment. Im sick of putting on the news and the lead seems to be a constant whine about holidays. Out of the world's 8 billion population i wonder what percentage have a holiday. Its even a modern phenomena in the western world, like a bunch of entitled brats. I pity those yuppie gap year students who've been deprived of dumping loads of shit at everest base camp.
Click to expand...
Lytham_fy8 said:
Don't get me started on them, finding themselves on a massively expensive trek to base camp, nearly as bad as the wankers who pay 40k to get pulled up Everest by the Sherpas.
Click to expand...
Crikey, you two are like peas in a pod 🤪
Maybe try spreading a little warmth and happiness?
A bit less aggression and vitriol perhaps?
Don't let such things upset you and try to enjoy your own life more 😀
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top