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rockontommy
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Should have read Kyrgyzstan cash btw
Uncle Val
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As_time_goes_bye
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The ABSOLUTE FACTS ARE…
1) we would never have made the Championship without him, never forgetting KO and his bullshit pre let’s arguments if it ever was an argument to build the Southstand.
2) I personally laughed at the Prem in 5yrs prediction but he was the guy who set the bar.
3) without him we would never have rid ourselves of the filth.
He his a hero in my mind.
1) we would never have made the Championship without him, never forgetting KO and his bullshit pre let’s arguments if it ever was an argument to build the Southstand.
2) I personally laughed at the Prem in 5yrs prediction but he was the guy who set the bar.
3) without him we would never have rid ourselves of the filth.
He his a hero in my mind.
As_time_goes_bye
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And never wanted fame or adoration, daft fedora’s or anything else
Macseasider
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Whilst Val B is now gone (due to Karl ensuring he could never be an owner) the majority of fans were happy as pigs in shite to see Val B strip the Oystons of the club and a bucket load of their cash and sail back to Latvia. We'd rather flush the lot down a drain than let the vermin have it.
The rest of the thread is an alarming showing of Bumspiders and Oystonites still trying to justify the family and their continuous support of them.
You couldn't make it up.
The rest of the thread is an alarming showing of Bumspiders and Oystonites still trying to justify the family and their continuous support of them.
You couldn't make it up.
SEASIDE2020
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MAC
I thought bumspiders and Oystonites were the same thing but I'm not sure there are too many on the thread blowing smoke up the Oystons @rses.
There are a few asking questions of Uncle Val but that's a different thing altogether.
Surely it's possible for someone to dislike the Oystons and their methods AND also question Uncle Val ?
For what it's worth, I think it's fair to say that I have never been a fan of the Oystons and while I appreciate Uncle Val's contribution to the club he left with millions and I feel that those monies really belonged - morally not legally - in the club and that doesn't sit well with me.
I would have liked to have seen him make some sort of golden farewell gift to the club but I appreciate that he was under no obligation to do so.
BIG_BERTHA_3
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My take on it ,the money was gone anyway it was in the Oystons pockets , Uncle Val gambled with his own money by taking them to court and won . By doing that we won too ,what more could you want. Lets look forward . #UTMP
Chunkylad
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I just saw this. Did the read change your mind Phil?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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My take on it is ….
Most FC owners are self-serving egotistical types who are in it for their own ends. To that extent VB was no different to the rest. His and is associated with plenty of dodgy goings on, he failed the fit and proper test and arguably should have never been allowed anywhere near a football club in the first place.
He chose to be associated with the Oyston’s, was willing to prop them up as owners for a time, potentially brought money from a dodgy source into our club and would have walked away leaving the Oyston’s in situ, were it not for a heavy twist of fate.
That said, enjoyed success while he was here and he was respectful to the fans and of the club in regard to how he approached the football itself.
And it was his court case that was the main reason that we got rid of the Oyston’s.
I’m glad though that he’s no longer involved and that we have a much better owner in SS.
Most FC owners are self-serving egotistical types who are in it for their own ends. To that extent VB was no different to the rest. His and is associated with plenty of dodgy goings on, he failed the fit and proper test and arguably should have never been allowed anywhere near a football club in the first place.
He chose to be associated with the Oyston’s, was willing to prop them up as owners for a time, potentially brought money from a dodgy source into our club and would have walked away leaving the Oyston’s in situ, were it not for a heavy twist of fate.
That said, enjoyed success while he was here and he was respectful to the fans and of the club in regard to how he approached the football itself.
And it was his court case that was the main reason that we got rid of the Oyston’s.
I’m glad though that he’s no longer involved and that we have a much better owner in SS.
BIG_BERTHA_3
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So you are happy then DazMy take on it is ….
Most FC owners are self-serving egotistical types who are in it for their own ends. To that extent VB was no different to the rest. His and is associated with plenty of dodgy goings on, he failed the fit and proper test and arguably should have never been allowed anywhere near a football club in the first place.
He chose to be associated with the Oyston’s, was willing to prop them up as owners for a time, potentially brought money from a dodgy source into our club and would have walked away leaving the Oyston’s in situ, were it not for a heavy twist of fate.
That said, enjoyed success while he was here and he was respectful to the fans and of the club in regard to how he approached the football itself.
And it was his court case that was the main reason that we got rid of the Oyston’s.
I’m glad though that he’s no longer involved and that we have a much better owner in SS.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Always PalSo you are happy then Daz
Bend it like Suddick
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Absolutely. I find it staggering with the support he got at the Court sessions, that he didn't.
fcblackpool
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All good in theory, I thought the same, but it would essentially be free money to any new owner. Even if it took the form of a new TG (no chance he could do that though for loads of reasons) then the new owners wouldn't have to invest in one and the value of the (their) Club increases.
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rockontommy
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Yup. If OO had've found that cash instead of still thinking he was the world's smartest gentleman thief, we'd have been in a RIGHT pickle. We are very fortunate to have SS at the helm.
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rockontommy
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A bit naughty of me to bump it but couldn't resist when you come across people so confident when completely wrong and ignorant. "Absolute bobbins", "You can't say things like that" etc. Some are much too quick to spout incorrect views and be sharp with it too but as you say, time to look forward. It's all gravy nowWhy the xxxx is this being brought up again……time we all moved on and appreciate what we now have ,a team and management structure which we can all ( hopefully…you never know with some on here) get behind.
Critchknows
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It's a sign of the times I think that people look at things in such absolute terms. Val was good and a hero or Val was bad and took as much from bfc as the Os.
In truth as with most things it was a shade of grey. I'm thankful for the outcome of Val taking the Os to court because ultimately it gave us our club back when otherwise we wouldn't have but I'm not naive enough to think that was the intent. It was just a nice consequence of Val taking his share of the dosh out of the club.
I certainly wish no ill will and if he ever turned up for a game I'd prob give him a clap as a bit of a thanks but that's it.
In truth as with most things it was a shade of grey. I'm thankful for the outcome of Val taking the Os to court because ultimately it gave us our club back when otherwise we wouldn't have but I'm not naive enough to think that was the intent. It was just a nice consequence of Val taking his share of the dosh out of the club.
I certainly wish no ill will and if he ever turned up for a game I'd prob give him a clap as a bit of a thanks but that's it.
Markobfc
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its fairly easy to understand why no cash has been put back in, The club could not take a penny, (especially an investment banker owning a club) being connected in any way to somebody with the paris judgement against him.
Martonmosser
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Bend it like Suddick
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NoHe bought me and TAM a lovely meal in Mayfair….. does that count?
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BIG_BERTHA_3
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I would have been happy with a bag of chips or a pie.He bought me and TAM a lovely meal in Mayfair….. does that count?
GrahamwantshisOates
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If Owen hadn‘t have found out about the suspected money laundering then an £8 million settlement would have been agreed and still own the club. He thought he could have avoided paying Belekon a penny more with his problems in
Kyrgyzstan.
Greed backfired on him.
Good point. I think they thought they had a slam dunk with that, which was a bizarre misunderstanding of the law considering the judge basically said unfair prejudice cases don't take into account separate wrong doing from the claimant.
basilrobbie3
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I agree. Hadn't the EFL disqualified him by then?
As to the Kyrgyzstan judgement, the thing that often gets overlooked was that the judiciary there operated an an executive arm of the State, and was internationally condemned as a result. It would have been hard to place much reliance on the original judgement, whichever way it went. I can't remember to what extent Paris dealt with any of that.
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rockontommy
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There's the Kyrgyz judgement, the Paris judgement, the Miami judgement, the fines from the Latvian authorities. I could go on and on. It's overwhelming evidence tbh Robbie.
The Paris judgement is what gives it legitimatacy. It was basically a new litigation with lots of investigation and details uncovered about bank accounts with millions in them supposedly held by Belarusian taxi drivers. Belokon defended himself with possibly the best law firm in the world and lost.
The Kyrgyz government is hardly a bedrock of democracy and even if Belokon had tried to defend himself who knows if he would have got a fair trial. However, they werent persecuting him for nothing. Bakiyev stoke 1% of their entire GDP and they've been doggedly trying to get it back ever since.
Mexboroseasider
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The Paris judgment was always harder to explain away.
Blackpool FC, a Kyrgyzstan money-laundering conviction and a non-takeover | Blackpool | The Guardian
Valeri Belokon thought he had the go-ahead to take over Blackpool from Owen Oyston but a court hearing in Kyrgyzstan – which he says ignored natural justice – has the club in limbo
amp.theguardian.com
SEASIDE2020
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Marko
That's a fair point and I get it but where there is a will there is a way.
I think if he'd really wanted to he could have left a legacy that would have benefited the club or the town or the supporters/residents but I appreciate that he was under no obligation to do so and that there may well have been problems with doing so in addition to the one you describe.
basilrobbie3
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I think you and Foggy make good points. It (eventually) became clear, once the CAR had got his feet under the table, that VB wasn't likely to feature in the future ownership of the club. And Paris was a factor in that, as was the EFLs stance.The Paris judgment was always harder to explain away.
Blackpool FC, a Kyrgyzstan money-laundering conviction and a non-takeover | Blackpool | The Guardian
Valeri Belokon thought he had the go-ahead to take over Blackpool from Owen Oyston but a court hearing in Kyrgyzstan – which he says ignored natural justice – has the club in limbo
Does anyone remember the bloke from California and his "I'm only going to say this once" thread about why his group should get the gig? Fantastic entertainment.
Martonmosser
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Wonder if that had anything to do with Karl going to Argentina?
Wizaard
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No, that was just being unavailable in a transfer windowWonder if that had anything to do with Karl going to Argentina?
BIG_BERTHA_3
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Ha ha he knew he was on safe ground as the FAX machine was broken .No, that was just being unavailable in a transfer window
Torycorner
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My conclusion of Valarie : HERO!!!
ONLY by his investment did we get :
1) Back In The Championship
2) Charlie Adam
3) South Stand
4) In The Premiership
However, his biggest achievement was tugging OUR Club of The Odious owners.
However, all the time Valerie was at the club the Oystons were there so the overall ownership could MOT be trusted as a collective.
As the song goes
A The End Of The Storm There’s A Golden Sky”
That “Golden Sky” is SIMON SADLER an owner I 100 % do trust with the Custodianship of OUR BELOVED BLACKPOOL FC
On a football perspective also “Holloway” was all motivation which he could not sustain.
Critch is a “football thoroughbred” who understanding of the game, motivation skills and ability to spot talent and bring it on forwards
His dedication and love of Tge club is there for all to see, and his management style is sustainable .
ONLY by his investment did we get :
1) Back In The Championship
2) Charlie Adam
3) South Stand
4) In The Premiership
However, his biggest achievement was tugging OUR Club of The Odious owners.
However, all the time Valerie was at the club the Oystons were there so the overall ownership could MOT be trusted as a collective.
As the song goes
A The End Of The Storm There’s A Golden Sky” That “Golden Sky” is SIMON SADLER an owner I 100 % do trust with the Custodianship of OUR BELOVED BLACKPOOL FC
On a football perspective also “Holloway” was all motivation which he could not sustain.
Critch is a “football thoroughbred” who understanding of the game, motivation skills and ability to spot talent and bring it on forwards
His dedication and love of Tge club is there for all to see, and his management style is sustainable .
Agreed. Maybe he would be interested in investing in the Poulton Monorail project along with your good self?My conclusion of Valarie : HERO!!!
ONLY by his investment did we get :
1) Back In The Championship
2) Charlie Adam
3) South Stand
4) In The Premiership
However, his biggest achievement was tugging OUR Club of The Odious owners.
However, all the time Valerie was at the club the Oystons were there so the overall ownership could MOT be trusted as a collective.
As the song goes
That “Golden Sky” is SIMON SADLER an owner I 100 % do trust with the Custodianship of OUR BELOVED BLACKPOOL FC
On a football perspective also “Holloway” was all motivation which he could not sustain.
Critch is a “football thoroughbred” who understanding of the game, motivation skills and ability to spot talent and bring it on forwards
His dedication and love of Tge club is there for all to see, and his management style is sustainable .
AngelBFC
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Have to say I was always a bit suspicious about the reason as to how Val came to met Owen
Trying to sell him beer ?
Isn’t that more the job of a U.K. based sales representative rather than a wealthy Latvian investment banker ?
Anyway whatever the reason he came I’m glad and he did and I’d buy him a beer and a sandwich anytime .
Trying to sell him beer ?
Isn’t that more the job of a U.K. based sales representative rather than a wealthy Latvian investment banker ?
Anyway whatever the reason he came I’m glad and he did and I’d buy him a beer and a sandwich anytime .
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Markobfc
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Owen had cash in his bank
TwelveAngryMen
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He was actually at the infamous SISA meeting and was one of the AVFTT 9 who met KO and MW in 2011
I could be wrong but I don't think he had any connection beforehand. A mutual friend got them in touch, a Russian guy in the UK whose name I can't remember. I think the beer thing was always a front although for what purpose I don't know why. Interestingly it was reported that Kimmels brewery included Maxim Bakiyev on the board of directors although I never saw him listed, and it was also reported that some of Valeri's money from the Adam sale was put into Kimmels, but this was denied by Karl and Rod Dyer. That story was almost certainly put out by Owen as part of his defence but without evidence.
todayistheday
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Thought it was Harold Elletson who got them together, about some media deals.
Insider
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I seem to recall the very same person played the role of Karl in the pre-meetings. Perhaps he had ambitions back then?
I was only thinking about him recently and wondering if he still posts?
Can't say I recognise his "style" which was always confrontational.
I'm sure he will at least still be reading the board
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I’m not convinced he was really a Blackpool Fan tbh. As posters on here go, I have him down as the biggest ** ever to post on AVFTT (and I include TDL in those that sit behind him).I seem to recall the very same person played the role of Karl in the pre-meetings. Perhaps he had ambitions back then?
I was only thinking about him recently and wondering if he still posts?
Can't say I recognise his "style" which was always confrontational.
I'm sure he will at least still be reading the board
Harold was a middle man I think he speaks Russian but there was another who I would recognise the name of I saw it
20togo
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an absolute screwball who made all sorts of nonsense claims on here about himself and the film industry. A real Walter Mitty.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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No matter how rich and powerful you are ,you are not going to know much about a sport in another country . He was probably told that Blackpool were going to get to the prem with his investment , a super was going to be built in Blackpool ,the airport was having flights from all over the place and his beer could be sold all over the place.
Well we were lucky to get to the prem , the casino idea went , the airport had its stopped most flights and his partners were ripping him off. I think I would take the money and run . I would imagine he keeps up to date with pools progress and I am sure he is happy in what he sees , but blaming him for not re investing on his own from Latvia is crazy.
Also any new owner might not want a foreign investor. So ,he saved our club and be thankful for that and stop some of this blame game.
Well we were lucky to get to the prem , the casino idea went , the airport had its stopped most flights and his partners were ripping him off. I think I would take the money and run . I would imagine he keeps up to date with pools progress and I am sure he is happy in what he sees , but blaming him for not re investing on his own from Latvia is crazy.
Also any new owner might not want a foreign investor. So ,he saved our club and be thankful for that and stop some of this blame game.
SwannDangerous
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VALERIE BELEKON IS MY HERO!
HE SINGLE HANDEDLY SAVED BLACKPOOL FC!
ALL OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS OWN HEART!
HE SINGLE HANDEDLY SAVED BLACKPOOL FC!
ALL OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS OWN HEART!
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Not out of the goodness of his heart ,but the rest is spot on.
todayistheday
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I liked his positvity but knew he was a wrong un.
1966_and_all_that
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Give it a blinking rest mate. No-one, and that includes you, is going to rectify all of football's ills in one go. If ordinary people can get a foothold with the TC proposals then that will be a win. Until then, firing off at everything is just do much tilting at windmills. And no, I don't think your views are wrong - just the excess and the timing.