Vaccine Passport Yes or No

Yes, of course.

We need to get the world moving again and business doing business so the economy can start working for all of us. Those who for one reason or another do not want the jab have every right to a freedom of choice but they cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the rest of the community
 
braymarina said:
Yes, of course.

We need to get the world moving again and business doing business so the economy can start working for all of us. Those who for one reason or another do not want the jab have every right to a freedom of choice but they cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the rest of the community
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This.

I would consider making it time-limited though, especially if research shows that the efficacy (sp?) of the jab is high.
 
Definitely. I could never understand the objection to ID cards by the libertarians.

When I go out I usually take my driving licence, debit card, credit card and various store cards - and we needed to take our plastic with us to get through the turnstiles at Bloomfield Road!
 
It’ll be expanded to have your vital Info on it. Blood type, allergies, vaccinations (all types), medicine taken (inhalers, prescriptions etc)
Will save lives
 
I think the tide has really turned on this one particularly with the encouraging evidence on the vaccines. Definite yes from me.
 
Yes 100%.

Good policy and common sense needs to trump the civil liberties bollux on this occasion.
 
It's a yes from me. But if as was on the radio today the passport only lasts 6 months could start causing problems. If you have a holiday in January and a concert in August and need two Jabs in a year will have to start thinking about how having a vaccine every 6 months will effect your health or may become ineffective against the virus. And I would imagine have to start paying for the vaccine.
And some countries and events may also require not only proof of a vaccine but a negative test result carried out a couple of days prior to travelling or attending.
 
Wizaard said:
People can choose not to have the jab but there will be consequences. You can't expect to have the same unlimited access to everything if it has been your choice not to have the vaccination.

Societal responsibility.
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The question is not about having a jab or not. It's about having a vax passport. Two different issues. It's possible to be pro vax, anti passport.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Yep 100% from me

As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline

It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
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My daughter in law is a charge nurse says that any staff refusing the vaccination are already being put in non contact roles where possible. Also my wife is a Manager in a intermediate care unit for Bolton council and was asked by her boss last week to give a full list of those staff who have refused the vaccination....unsure what the council will do yet.
 
Towerpower99 said:
My daughter in law is a charge nurse says that any staff refusing the vaccination are already being put in non contact roles where possible. Also my wife is a Manager in a intermediate care unit for Bolton council and was asked by her boss last week to give a full list of those staff who have refused the vaccination....unsure what the council will do yet.
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The problem will be in care homes etc where there are issues over staffing anyway

If it was me I'd demand they had the vaccine as a condition of their employment and dismiss any that refuse

Let them bleat to an Employment Tribunal about the invasion of the civil liberties
 
First off, let's define what a vaccine passport is, is it:
  • for use within the UK as a pre-requisite to access services and possibly employment, or;
  • for use for international travel?
In the former case one would hope with the vaccine programme that it's unnecessary anyway, and most businesses are unlikely to want to turn away much of their custom either.

In the latter case one would also hope that it's unnecessary, but this is largely out of HMG's hands.

So I think the idea is mostly pointless except for some very narrow and temporary circumstances.
 
Not bothered either way as long as I'm vaccinated what others do is there problem.

Only flaw with the passport if you are going to enforce up to now the under 18's ain't having the jab what you supposed to do leave them behind. 😁

Do they have to go through the testing and quarantine malarkey?
 
The likelihood is that as they work down through the age groups there will be more who won't accept the vaccine or just can't be arsed to turn up for it. This could provide an incentive for more to do the right thing. I think it could be introduced as a temporary thing that can be removed once the need for the additional bureaucracy lessens.
PS Lytham's point is well made - could it be delivered via an existing agency such as DVLA, or at least on a not for profit basis by a private contractor that's prepared and capable of doing the job?
 
Mark_GT said:
The likelihood is that as they work down through the age groups there will be more who won't accept the vaccine or just can't be arsed to turn up for it. This could provide an incentive for more to do the right thing. I think it could be introduced as a temporary thing that can be removed once the need for the additional bureaucracy lessens.
PS Lytham's point is well made - could it be delivered via an existing agency such as DVLA, or at least on a not for profit basis by a private contractor that's prepared and capable of doing the job?
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It probably could, but then how is anyone going to make a profit out of it?
 
I’d be happy with the passport idea.
I’m not into the idea of disciplining health care workers who don’t want the jab though.
It’s everyone’s personal choice to have a vaccine or not, whatever the majority feel about it.
Move them to non-contact roles if necessary and practical.
Can the health care profession afford to lose every member of staff who chooses to not get vaccinated?
My daughters care home have 3 out of 25 refusals, they can’t afford to lose those 3.
It works both ways too, staff are expected to care for people who have refused it, should they be refused care?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The problem will be in care homes etc where there are issues over staffing anyway

If it was me I'd demand they had the vaccine as a condition of their employment and dismiss any that refuse

Let them bleat to an Employment Tribunal about the invasion of the civil liberties
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Unfortunately care homes can't fill the positions they have now, let alone after firing a load of staff.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Yep 100% from me

As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline

It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
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Spot on TAM, there is no difference between this and the hepatitis jab you need (l believe) to work in the NHS.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Unfortunately care homes can't fill the positions they have now, let alone after firing a load of staff.
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And l assume that there are a significant number of BAME staff working in care homes, nevertheless they are duty and morally bound to protect and care for their patients/residents.
 
"I went to China first in 1983. I wouldn’t want to live in China, I wouldn’t like to live under that particular regime, and particularly the one that’s in place at the moment. And I wouldn’t want anybody to actually have to transfer that particular command and control both socially and economically, to this country. I would fight very hard against that. So the answer is that the Chinese have developed an understanding of the way in which they comply, not just the communist era from 1949, but long, long before that. We wouldn’t want to put up with it for one moment. We should be very wary of everything we do."

Quote from a well known politician.
 
Don’t think so, it will only create more problems. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t, if it works then at this rate infections and deaths will be literally non existent by late autumn. If you don’t want to have the vaccine for whatever reason and you get ill then you only have yourself to blame.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Yep 100% from me

As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline

It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
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We had a feature on our local news last night where a care home was getting into bother for insisting any new staff taken on had had a vaccine, when existing staff had already gone through the process.

All about rights and not responsibilities.
 
Wizaard said:
We had a feature on our local news last night where a care home was getting into bother for insisting any new staff taken on had had a vaccine, when existing staff had already gone through the process.

All about rights and not responsibilities.
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It's a fact that the employees and others in whatever business have to be protected, as far as is reasonable and practicable, (afarp) by their employer/business they are visiting, who should carry out a risk assessment covering this subject. From memory, the subject would come under the 'Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations'. Thus, if the risk assessment shows there is a risk to either staff, residents, visitors or others who may be in contact with the source of infection, steps must be taken to prevent afarp, this from occurring.

I would therefore say that a homeowner has the right to take any action required to prevent the possible spread of COVID whatever the Human Rights Act says. The same would apply to a Licensee refusing to serve someone or indeed a supermarket from preventing access if proof of inoculation can not be produced.

Is it someones right to sever their arm in a piece of machinery for instance?

So my answer is YES.
 
My answer is a definite yes because not only it will allow you to go to places like foreign countries and events like concerts and sporting events, but it will make places safer for other people
 
If you’ve turned down a vaccination then you shouldn’t be allowed to fill a bed in a hospital if you have covid symptoms when millions are awaiting delayed treatments. But I acknowledge I have rather extreme views on this 😀
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
If you’ve turned down a vaccination then you shouldn’t be allowed to fill a bed in a hospital if you have covid symptoms when millions are awaiting delayed treatments. But I acknowledge I have rather extreme views on this 😀
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No more extreme than those saying Health Care staff who refuse the vaccination should be suspended and disciplined.
 
Mark_GT said:
The likelihood is that as they work down through the age groups there will be more who won't accept the vaccine or just can't be arsed to turn up for it. This could provide an incentive for more to do the right thing. I think it could be introduced as a temporary thing that can be removed once the need for the additional bureaucracy lessens.
PS Lytham's point is well made - could it be delivered via an existing agency such as DVLA, or at least on a not for profit basis by a private contractor that's prepared and capable of doing the job?
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If the proposed passport is some sort of paper or credit card style thing, then dodgy ones will be available on the internet within hours of being announced.
If it is going to be contained on a mobile phone then there will be a huge task linking everyone's mobile number to their NHS number, both non starters onmy opinion.
 
If it was a simple thing just for being vaccinated then the logical answer would be yes, but if it were a card it would be available on eBay before you could blink. But suspicion arises from being digitally tracked for many different reasons. Why not just microchip people, that'll go down well. There are some good arguments for & against this & I've always said if you've nothing to hide then it doesn't matter, am I just being gullible? as will this be extended to something that can be used to restrict me for healthcare for example as it's deemed I visit the pub far too often & my cashless payments show I wasn't just drinking orange juice. It's practically there with our phones & internet history etc & don't get me on about Facebook, but I'm going to have to get a large splinter in my arse on this one from the fence I'm sitting on. So I'll have to abstain.
Do we really want this see below.

Ordering a Pizza in 2022

CALLER:
Is this Pizza Hut?

GOOGLE:
No sir, it's Google Pizza.

CALLER:
I must have dialled a wrong number, sorry.

GOOGLE:
No sir, Google bought Pizza Hut last month.

CALLER:
OK. I would like to order a pizza.

GOOGLE:
Do you want your usual, sir?

CALLER:
My usual? You know me?

GOOGLE:
According to our caller ID data sheet, the last 12 times you called you ordered an extra-large pizza with three cheeses, sausage, pepperoni, mushrooms and meatballs on a thick crust.

CALLER:
Super! That’s what I’ll have.

GOOGLE:
May I suggest that this time you order a pizza with ricotta, arugula, sun-dried tomatoes and olives on a whole wheat gluten-free thin crust?

CALLER:
What? I don’t want a vegetarian pizza!

GOOGLE:
Your cholesterol is not good, sir.

CALLER:
How the hell do you know that?

GOOGLE:
Well, we cross-referenced your home phone number with your medical records. We have the result of your blood tests for the last 7 years.

CALLER:
Okay, but I do not want your rotten vegetarian pizza! I already take medication for my cholesterol.

GOOGLE:
Excuse me sir, but you have not taken your medication regularly. According to our database, you purchased only a box of 30 cholesterol tablets once at Lloyds Pharmacy, 4 months ago.

CALLER:
I bought more from another Pharmacy.

GOOGLE:
That doesn’t show on your credit card statement.

CALLER:
I paid in cash.

GOOGLE:
But you did not withdraw enough cash according to your bank statement.

CALLER:
I have other sources of cash.

GOOGLE:
That doesn’t show on your latest tax returns, unless you bought them using an undeclared income source, which is against the law!

CALLER:
WHAT THE HELL!

GOOGLE:
I'm sorry sir, we use such information only with the sole intention of helping you.

CALLER:
Enough already! I'm sick to death of Google, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and all the others. I'm going to an island without the internet, TV, where there is no phone service and no one to watch me or spy on me.

GOOGLE:
I understand sir, but you need to renew your passport first. It expired 6 weeks ago...
 
Definitely a yes for international travel and home for events, footy gigs etc

Not compulsory but if you do not have it business's can refuse you entry

We need to get things moving economically, gets kids back to school and put this shitshow in the rearview mirror

People need to get out more instead of staying at home saving the NHS, watching the news gawping st social media and thinking too much

My concern is that those who have been sat home for a year and hone Strangelove- learnt to stop worrying and love lockdown

Also sick of hearing about keeping safe and mental health innit etc
 
Johnno said:
No more extreme than those saying Health Care staff who refuse the vaccination should be suspended and disciplined.
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Why's that extreme ?
The health and welfare of those under the care of the NHS comes first
Chris Whitty went as far as to suggest it's the duty of those in the medical profession to protect those they are caring for and that necessitated them having the vaccine
 
It's coming, so get on with it.

It's inconceivable that a foreign country wouldn't want a VP in the future. And so airlines will want one too and so the airport, the taxi company taking you there, etc........

It will be an economic necessity.
 
Absolutely 100% no. At a push temporary for international travel.
Nearly every one is going to get vaccinated, number that dont will be a small minority, that number becomes even smaller when factored into people actually going to pubs, football and gigs etc.
Why do we want to get bogged down in queues and admin for such a small number of people, especially when most of us are vaccinated!
I want normal life not an overly administered, sterile version of it.
Also a waste of government money and an opportunity for jobsworths to act like dickheads!
So it's a no from me👎
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Why's that extreme ?
The health and welfare of those under the care of the NHS comes first
Chris Whitty went as far as to suggest it's the duty of those in the medical profession to protect those they are caring for and that necessitated them having the vaccine
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Because we’re talking about people who have exactly the same concerns and rights regarding their own bodies as the rest of the population, a percentage of which who will have genuine fears about the safety (short or long term) of the vaccine,
The same people who have spent the last year working their arses off for the benefit of the nation - working extra hours, under extreme conditions, sometimes (esp. in the early days) either without PPE or with makeshift PPE, literally risking their and their families health simply by going into work, and some paying the ultimate price.
They’ve been lauded as National heroes for the past 12 months, but now we’re passed the worst, you think it’s fair to give them the ultimatum of either having the jab or being binned off.

The NHS or private care facilitators would never refuse treatment to a vaccine refuser, let’s give them the same respect.

That’s not even touching on the fact that the private care sector would collapse if each care home lost 2 or 3 members of staff.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Why's that extreme ?
The health and welfare of those under the care of the NHS comes first
Chris Whitty went as far as to suggest it's the duty of those in the medical profession to protect those they are caring for and that necessitated them having the vaccine
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Just out of interest, are they all supposed to have the flu vaccine?
 
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