Bloodtangerine
Well-known member
Who is in favour and why and who is against and why?
This.Yes, of course.
We need to get the world moving again and business doing business so the economy can start working for all of us. Those who for one reason or another do not want the jab have every right to a freedom of choice but they cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the rest of the community
The question is not about having a jab or not. It's about having a vax passport. Two different issues. It's possible to be pro vax, anti passport.People can choose not to have the jab but there will be consequences. You can't expect to have the same unlimited access to everything if it has been your choice not to have the vaccination.
Societal responsibility.
My daughter in law is a charge nurse says that any staff refusing the vaccination are already being put in non contact roles where possible. Also my wife is a Manager in a intermediate care unit for Bolton council and was asked by her boss last week to give a full list of those staff who have refused the vaccination....unsure what the council will do yet.Yep 100% from me
As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline
It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
The problem will be in care homes etc where there are issues over staffing anywayMy daughter in law is a charge nurse says that any staff refusing the vaccination are already being put in non contact roles where possible. Also my wife is a Manager in a intermediate care unit for Bolton council and was asked by her boss last week to give a full list of those staff who have refused the vaccination....unsure what the council will do yet.
It probably could, but then how is anyone going to make a profit out of it?The likelihood is that as they work down through the age groups there will be more who won't accept the vaccine or just can't be arsed to turn up for it. This could provide an incentive for more to do the right thing. I think it could be introduced as a temporary thing that can be removed once the need for the additional bureaucracy lessens.
PS Lytham's point is well made - could it be delivered via an existing agency such as DVLA, or at least on a not for profit basis by a private contractor that's prepared and capable of doing the job?
Unfortunately care homes can't fill the positions they have now, let alone after firing a load of staff.The problem will be in care homes etc where there are issues over staffing anyway
If it was me I'd demand they had the vaccine as a condition of their employment and dismiss any that refuse
Let them bleat to an Employment Tribunal about the invasion of the civil liberties
Spot on TAM, there is no difference between this and the hepatitis jab you need (l believe) to work in the NHS.Yep 100% from me
As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline
It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
And l assume that there are a significant number of BAME staff working in care homes, nevertheless they are duty and morally bound to protect and care for their patients/residents.Unfortunately care homes can't fill the positions they have now, let alone after firing a load of staff.
We had a feature on our local news last night where a care home was getting into bother for insisting any new staff taken on had had a vaccine, when existing staff had already gone through the process.Yep 100% from me
As an aside I would also suspend and discipline anyone working in the care sector who refused to have the vaccine without a medical exemption and redeploy those who cannot out of the frontline
It's a disgrace that so many are declining to have the vaccine
It's a fact that the employees and others in whatever business have to be protected, as far as is reasonable and practicable, (afarp) by their employer/business they are visiting, who should carry out a risk assessment covering this subject. From memory, the subject would come under the 'Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations'. Thus, if the risk assessment shows there is a risk to either staff, residents, visitors or others who may be in contact with the source of infection, steps must be taken to prevent afarp, this from occurring.We had a feature on our local news last night where a care home was getting into bother for insisting any new staff taken on had had a vaccine, when existing staff had already gone through the process.
All about rights and not responsibilities.
No more extreme than those saying Health Care staff who refuse the vaccination should be suspended and disciplined.If you’ve turned down a vaccination then you shouldn’t be allowed to fill a bed in a hospital if you have covid symptoms when millions are awaiting delayed treatments. But I acknowledge I have rather extreme views on this
If the proposed passport is some sort of paper or credit card style thing, then dodgy ones will be available on the internet within hours of being announced.The likelihood is that as they work down through the age groups there will be more who won't accept the vaccine or just can't be arsed to turn up for it. This could provide an incentive for more to do the right thing. I think it could be introduced as a temporary thing that can be removed once the need for the additional bureaucracy lessens.
PS Lytham's point is well made - could it be delivered via an existing agency such as DVLA, or at least on a not for profit basis by a private contractor that's prepared and capable of doing the job?
Why's that extreme ?No more extreme than those saying Health Care staff who refuse the vaccination should be suspended and disciplined.
Because we’re talking about people who have exactly the same concerns and rights regarding their own bodies as the rest of the population, a percentage of which who will have genuine fears about the safety (short or long term) of the vaccine,Why's that extreme ?
The health and welfare of those under the care of the NHS comes first
Chris Whitty went as far as to suggest it's the duty of those in the medical profession to protect those they are caring for and that necessitated them having the vaccine
Just out of interest, are they all supposed to have the flu vaccine?Why's that extreme ?
The health and welfare of those under the care of the NHS comes first
Chris Whitty went as far as to suggest it's the duty of those in the medical profession to protect those they are caring for and that necessitated them having the vaccine