VAR vote

VAR. What would you do?

  • Keep it as it is and change the staff!

    Votes: 5 6.0%

  • Scrap it. Let the game flow!

    Votes: 22 26.2%

  • Let the ref decide when it's used cos he's not sure

    Votes: 11 13.1%

  • Just use goal line technology

    Votes: 29 34.5%

  • Allow each team a limited number of reviews

    Votes: 17 20.2%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
Goal line only but also footage should be used to penalise clear off the ball incidents unnoticed by the officials at the time. The current VAR is a farce and a distraction.
 
For me, goal line and the offside tech that was used in the world cup. That was so much better and quicker than having incompetent idiots take half an hour to draw the lines.
 
TangerineTed said:
I think it should be like cricket and each team gets one challenge per half. If successful keep it, if not lose it.
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I voted for this, but I would keep goal line technology as well.

If a team wants to use a review, it should be within 10/15 seconds so that the game isn't held up for long.
 
Use cricket law for offside and reintroduce in favour of attacker laws. Marginal offsides should be referees/linesman calls. Oh and only the team captain shoulkd be allowed to contest decisions, not var related but much needed.
 
Good poll actually this. Interesting to see what people think about it. Everyone I know moans about it a lot.

I was all for letting it develop but it's now morphing into a ridiculous monster where we are heading for every single event on the pitch being monitored like CCTV.

Time to go for me. It's literally ruining games every week and killing the atmosphere.
 
Matesrates said:
Meeting today to expand its use to cover corners, free kicks and second yellow card
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What I have absolutely no idea about is where they get the legitimacy to mandate this shit from?

Every poll I've ever seen on it has been more or less a clear majority against it. Therefore, who is it for if a majority of supporters are against it and I would suspect, that number grows by the week?
 
It was brought in at the behest of clubs cos they demanded it due to the financial cost of refereeing mistakes. As I understand it.

VAR worked much better in the world cup last year than it does in the Premier League, I thought. It's not the technology to blame, it's the people making the judgement calls.

But there are some issues with the laws. The handball rule and the offside rule both create problems. As does the business of judging if there's contact, in the penalty area.
 
VAR should only be used if they spot a clear and obvious mistake by the officials, these marginal off sides that take 10 minutes to rule on should be allowed to stand.

I can't imagine anything worse than having the euphoria of scoring a goal then taken away by the subjective opinion of some clown in a studio.
 
Up to now the vote is very much in favour of scrapping VAR and just using goal line technology. Personally I think it needs the addition of something. Either refs choosing to review when they don't see something well enough, or captains calling for a review in certain situations. Or both.
 
I think we are stuck with it now, they have just got to train the VAR people better. Its purpose is to help the Ref with things he did not see.

I don’t think they can give the Ref sole responsibility for when VAR is consulted as the players will be in his face continually demanding VAR is used for every incident/foul etc. Especially if he saw nothing himself. The game could become even more fractured than now. That certainly would not help the Ref.

I don’t think the limit on VAR calls for each team is right, since what does the Ref do for a violent foul if a team has used up its calls? The opposing team might see that as an opportunity to get away with dirty play. The Ref will want to be sure about a sending off.
 
I don't think there's actually anything wrong with the system. It's the people
using it that seem to be the problem. Having said that it has ruined the flow
of the game and the spontaneity when a goal has been scored.
 
Just change the rules!
Offside, there is daylight!
Handball means deliberate and not just the pitiful decisions where a player cannot avoid!
Its common sense isn’t it!
 
Archibald Knox said:
I don’t think they can give the Ref sole responsibility for when VAR is consulted as the players will be in his face continually demanding VAR is used for every incident/foul etc. Especially if he saw nothing himself. The game could become even more fractured than now. That certainly would not help the Ref.

I don’t think the limit on VAR calls for each team is right, since what does the Ref do for a violent foul if a team has used up its calls? The opposing team might see that as an opportunity to get away with dirty play. The Ref will want to be sure about a sending off.
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NW Counties has a 10 minute sin bin purely for dissent/harassing the ref. Works.

If a team has used up it's calls the ref does what refs have always done, surely.
 
Allowing a Team so many 'reviews' is just going to open up another can of worms. Fact is that this technology is a pile of shit and completely ruins the game.

The Goal Line Technology is a lot more straightforward and it wither is or it isn't and barring a small number of technical issues, it seems to offer a better solution.
 
TangerineTed said:
I think it should be like cricket and each team gets one challenge per half. If successful keep it, if not lose it.
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Cricket, and tennis for that matter are naturally slower moving games so the challenges don’t so easily affect them. Also the decisions seem to be more clear cut. Based on everything I’ve seen so far of it’s use in football, retaining it in any form will still lead to controversy. Scrap it and let the refs do the job they’re paid for. It’s not got rid of allegations of corruption and is ruining the game
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Allowing a Team so many 'reviews' is just going to open up another can of worms. Fact is that this technology is a pile of shit and completely ruins the game.

The Goal Line Technology is a lot more straightforward and it wither is or it isn't and barring a small number of technical issues, it seems to offer a better solution.
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I agree.

If we *have* to have it,then I'd advocate a system whereby teams get one review per season and if it's not adjudged as a clear and obvious reversible decision then they lose it.

Therefore you go back to the intent with which it was sold. It rights clear and obvious wrongs. It cannot be used to dissect the game to a degree where it actually starts to alter the structure of the game itself.

The VAR tail is wagging the football dog and and that's absolutely ridiculous. Changing laws to make it easier to adjudge on video replays. Mentalism. The vast, vast, vast majority of football is not played under VAR. Why the fuck should var dictate laws?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I don't think there's actually anything wrong with the system. It's the people
using it that seem to be the problem. Having said that it has ruined the flow
of the game and the spontaneity when a goal has been scored.
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How can it be wrong? It merely shows what happened. It's the idiots who try to interpret the video that need returning to school.
 
One of the worst things is that its made referees worse. Imagine if your decisions at work were subjected to question and endless play backs. It's undermining.
 
One of the things I find troubling about the 'we just need better refs/VARfolk' discourse is we've never had less refs in the game as a whole. It's like when people say 'we just need better nurses/teacher/doctors/careworkers' or whatever - if there aren't any there aren't any. You can say we need better, but how do you get them?

Are we going to import better refs from abroad? One of the issues with VAR and perhaps one of the reasons for the officials sticking by it is, it increases the number of top level jobs and the longevity of a refs career. VARfolk don't need to run about like yet actual refs.

The problem is, where is the supply chain.

People say ex-playsrs but so few are interested in doing it. You can't force them.

Pay more? Refs from other sports? Ref academy talent shows on TV?

I don't really know how we 'make it better'
 
td53 said:
One of the things I find troubling about the 'we just need better refs/VARfolk' discourse is we've never had less refs in the game as a whole. It's like when people say 'we just need better nurses/teacher/doctors/careworkers' or whatever - if there aren't any there aren't any. You can say we need better, but how do you get them?

Are we going to import better refs from abroad? One of the issues with VAR and perhaps one of the reasons for the officials sticking by it is, it increases the number of top level jobs and the longevity of a refs career. VARfolk don't need to run about like yet actual refs.

The problem is, where is the supply chain.

People say ex-playsrs but so few are interested in doing it. You can't force them.

Pay more? Refs from other sports? Ref academy talent shows on TV?

I don't really know how we 'make it better'
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Apprentice referees. Starting with a ** eye test & followed by a common sense questionnaire. That'd whittle them down to single figures nationwide. 😬
 
td53 said:
One of the things I find troubling about the 'we just need better refs/VARfolk' discourse is we've never had less refs in the game as a whole. It's like when people say 'we just need better nurses/teacher/doctors/careworkers' or whatever - if there aren't any there aren't any. You can say we need better, but how do you get them?

Are we going to import better refs from abroad? One of the issues with VAR and perhaps one of the reasons for the officials sticking by it is, it increases the number of top level jobs and the longevity of a refs career. VARfolk don't need to run about like yet actual refs.

The problem is, where is the supply chain.

People say ex-playsrs but so few are interested in doing it. You can't force them.

Pay more? Refs from other sports? Ref academy talent shows on TV?

I don't really know how we 'make it better'
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AI VAR. It's coming. Instant and infallible. We'll all be able to relax and let the computer take the strain.
 
The VAR officials are mainly there to spot and rule on offsides, fouls and handballs.

The Premier League website tells us....

"VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations:
1. goals (offside/foul/ handball)
2. penalty decisions (handball/foul)
3. direct red-card incidents
4. mistaken identity

"But factual decisions such as offsides, and the issue of whether a player is inside or outside the penalty area, are not subject to the "clear and obvious" test.

"If the VAR sees an error has been made in such a situation they will intervene, regardless of how marginal the decision is.

"There is a high bar for the VARs to intervene on subjective decisions, to maintain the pace and intensity of matches.


The PSG goal was presumably ajudged to have been a "serious missed incident" but it wasn't a clear and obvious error. Surely it needs to be both?!

This is inexplicable human error. Or corruption. We all know it wasn't a penalty. The ref got it right but VAR overruled and got it wrong.

But the EPL claims that the % of correct decisions rose as a result of VAR being introduced.

"In 2018/19, before VAR was introduced, the percentage of correct key match decisions was 82 per cent. With the help of VAR in 2019/20, it rose to 94 per cent.

"Over the course of 2019/20, over 2,400 incidents were checked and 109 decisions were overturned by the VAR, an average of an overturned decision every 3.5 matches.

This is likely to be approximately true. So the question is whether that increase justifies the disruption to the game, and to goal celebrations. And it feels like VAR interventions have increased since 2019/20.

I'm leaning towards only using technology for line calls but allowing teams one or two reviews per game. But I also hope it's never introduced outside the EPL. I prefer to watch live football without it. VAR isnt for the fan in the stadium, is it?
 
Don't forget the 'Time added on' has increased dramatically with the onset of VAR,
We're getting up to, and even over 10 minutes in many matches now.
Stupid.
 
Davepick said:
Don't forget the 'Time added on' has increased dramatically with the onset of VAR,
We're getting up to, and even over 10 minutes in many matches now.
Stupid.
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That's being caused by stoppages in general, which are now bring factored in more accurately. And makes some sense? VAR affects it of course.
 
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