Virus press conference

[Jefflynnessongsheet]

Yet more of our freedoms eroded by the grand idiot and his clown followers. It’s plain and simple the virus is here to stay.
Whatever we do it ain’t going away. We need to protect the elderly by putting them on lockdown. Shut all pubs, cinemas, gyms, clubs, sports venues, restaurants, cafes and other places where people can gather indoors.
Supermarkets must be made to have no more than 20 people at a time, smaller shops one customer at a time and encourage everyone to shop on line.
If the youngsters gather in more than 2s they should receive a £1000 fine and with all usual gathering places shut they’ll be easy to round up. Any business flouting the law should receive a £100,000 fine and in the cases of pubs, clubs restaurants they lose their alcohol licence instantly with not being allowed to re apply for that person or premises ever again. Job done!

 

[WestHertsUnsocialClub]

Again, I’m not referring to Blackpool, per say. Blackpool is allowing people from different high Covid areas to use it as a conduit to increase the risk of spreading it. To me it’s seems crazy. It does have a potential impact on locals working in cafes and bars along transport staff. It still the bigger picture I see as an issue.

Where do you get that "Blackpool" are allowing it? what do you want to happen, barricades on the M55? If the great unwashed would take responsibility and stay in their own areas that would be a good start.

 

[tangerinenotorange]

Shut all pubs, cinemas, gyms, clubs, sports venues, restaurants, cafes and other places where people can gather indoors.

Congratulations, you've just destroyed the UK's economy in one swipe.

 

[Shandypants]

Congratulations, you've just destroyed the UK's economy in one swipe.

It's a good job that we have our heavy industry to fall back on. Oh just a minute....shit

 

[Wizaard]

Most likely it was really a result of the starting conditions, in Singapore the virus seems to have been mostly concentrated amongst immigrant construction workers, who likely don't mix with the general population, so the virus never spread beyond that group.

The situation in Europe (not just the UK) was far more complicated, the virus got into northern Italy very early on in large numbers and then, through the winter sports industry, spread widely amongst the worst affected populations before anyone even knew it was in Europe.

Not IMO a question of preparation, more a function of population movements, timing and general luck of the draw.

Yet, they were blaming a super spreader for an outbreak in Brighton right from the off, so we clearly did know it was in Europe. (Steve Walsh, named on 11th February, after looking it up)

We went into a half-arsed lockdown but didn't quarantine anyone coming in and allowed flights for literally months later from high infection areas. It was a half baked reaction at best, and we've never caught up since. Now, figures are on the rise because we've come out of lockdown and gone back to normal. "Get back into the offices and save Pret" was more or less the instruction. Civil Servants in particular have been targeted to get back and support the small retailers around the big offices.

Now there's a complete U turn to work from home again.

There has never been a consistent line to take, which has allowed many to take liberties under the guise of confusion.

 

[Giro]

Where do you get that "Blackpool" are allowing it? what do you want to happen, barricades on the M55? If the great unwashed would take responsibility and stay in their own areas that would be a good start.

And just what would the point of Blackpool being open be?

 

[fcblackpool]

And just what would the point of Blackpool being open be?

It's clear that by not joining in with the rest of the North (so it seems) that Blackpool was saying it was 'OPEN FOR BUSINESS' and encouraging visitors. Now, I'm no genius, no seriously, well Ok then, but most visitors would be from areas not too far away ie those with enough high rates to have restrictions.

Therefore Blackpool was encouraging risk.

Whether Blackpool could have stopped the visitors is a completely different question.

 

[Lost Seasider]

Yet, they were blaming a super spreader for an outbreak in Brighton right from the off, so we clearly did know it was in Europe. (Steve Walsh, named on 11th February, after looking it up)

He came in from Singapore.

There's an interesting timeline of events here: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/timeline-ecdc-response

First cases reported in Europe were very late January, 24th the very first, all linked to China.

The first sign of a larger outbreak was 22 February in Italy, by which point it was probably already established over here, we only started to see significant numbers of cases elsewhere in Europe in early March, by which point it was too late.

We went into a half-arsed lockdown but didn't quarantine anyone coming in and allowed flights for literally months later from high infection areas. It was a half baked reaction at best, and we've never caught up since.

I'm not sure what you think was half-arsed about the lockdown, what would've made it a fully-arsed lockdown?

Flights BTW, the scientific advice was that it would likely make no difference to stop them, and the problem as it turned out wasn't known high infection areas but the unknown ones.

Now, figures are on the rise because we've come out of lockdown and gone back to normal. "Get back into the offices and save Pret" was more or less the instruction. Civil Servants in particular have been targeted to get back and support the small retailers around the big offices.

Does anyone think going back to the office is why the virus is on the rise again?

Now there's a complete U turn to work from home again.

There has never been a consistent line to take, which has allowed many to take liberties under the guise of confusion.

The situation changes on a week by week basis, what would you have done differently?

• Insist we all stay in lockdown across the summer?
• Keep schools closed for potentially years?

Once again it looks like you're back to using 20/20 hindsight when you well know that none of this was known at the time.

 

[Wizaard]

He came in from Singapore.

There's an interesting timeline of events here: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/timeline-ecdc-response

First cases reported in Europe were very late January, 24th the very first, all linked to China.

The first sign of a larger outbreak was 22 February in Italy, by which point it was probably already established over here, we only started to see significant numbers of cases elsewhere in Europe in early March, by which point it was too late.




I'm not sure what you think was half-arsed about the lockdown, what would've made it a fully-arsed lockdown?

Flights BTW, the scientific advice was that it would likely make no difference to stop them, and the problem as it turned out wasn't known high infection areas but the unknown ones.




Does anyone think going back to the office is why the virus is on the rise again?




The situation changes on a week by week basis, what would you have done differently?

• Insist we all stay in lockdown across the summer?
• Keep schools closed for potentially years?

Once again it looks like you're back to using 20/20 hindsight when you well know that none of this was known at the time.

Steve Walsh also went on a skiing holiday in Northern Italy where it's suspected he caught the virus, and not in Singapore.

JUNE - Get back in the pubs
JULY - Eat out to help out
AUGUST - Get back to work, and grab a coffee and a sandwich on the way in
SEPTEMBER - Stay in, the infection rate is spiralling out of control

Coincidence?

 

[Lost Seasider]

Steve Walsh also went on a skiing holiday in Northern Italy where it's suspected he caught the virus, and not in Singapore.

However at the time it was thought that he caught the virus in Singapore: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...s-brighton-scout-leader-steve-walsh-3kl8pb5w3

Steve Walsh, 53, was named yesterday as the businessman who picked up the disease at a conference in Singapore last month and came home to Hove via a skiing holiday in the Alps.

It also proves my point, the infection was being imported from Italy without us knowing it, and when we did find someone who'd imported it from Italy we thought it had come from Singapore instead.

JUNE - Get back in the pubs
JULY - Eat out to help out
AUGUST - Get back to work, and grab a coffee and a sandwich on the way in
SEPTEMBER - Stay in, the infection rate is spiralling out of control

Coincidence?