TwelveAngryMen
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To run from Friday until the 9th November - covering three weekends
Can see the Scots doing the same
Can see the Scots doing the same
I hope they have the finances to back up these moves.
The scientific advice on 21 September was for exactly this measure across the UK. Hardly madness.Madness, utter madness.
The scientific advice on 21 September was for exactly this measure across the UK. Hardly madness.
And England is my prediction.To run from Friday until the 9th November - covering three weekends
Can see the Scots doing the same
Maybe although I’m not so sure. Johnson has too many problems with the “let rip” advocates in his cabinet and party to go for a full lockdown. More probably we’ll just have the whole country in tier 3 which obviously isn’t a lockdown.And England is my prediction.
The scientific advice on 21 September was for exactly this measure across the UK. Hardly madness.
And England is my prediction.
School holidays round here start on Friday. What's your point?A misreading of the scientific advice, based on what looks like somewhat poor wording of the minute; if you read the more detailed advice paper it talks about a circuit breaker being most effective at times of high transmission, and timing it to co-incide with school holidays to minimse harm.
School holidays start on Friday. What's your point?
Weasel words from the Government then, who claim to be following the advice.Key word being 'advice'.
SAGE are NOT running the economy.
It's an easy out for them.Weasel words from the Government then, who claim to be following the advice.
Weasel words from the Government then, who claim to be following the advice.
There is some evidence that case numbers are starting to level off across the country, hospital numbers are not particularly high, death rates are only about 1/10 what they were last time around.
The case is not overwhelming at this time.
1 COVID related death today.The scientific advice on 21 September was for exactly this measure across the UK. Hardly madness.
I am pretty sure they said there were eighty on the news?1 COVID related death today.
I am pretty sure they said there were eighty on the news?
Ok. It's over. Back to normality, or just the usual weekend fluctuation that will see a bigger number tomorrow?1 COVID related death today.
Wales have done it to reduce pressure on the NHS further down the line given that there's a correlation between infection rates occurring and hospitalization further down the line.Dont Twist it, I never said that did I. Merely trying to put things into perspective. Do you agree on totally
lock down ? If so for how long ?
Wales have done it to reduce pressure on the NHS further down the line given that there's a correlation between infection rates occurring and hospitalization further down the line.
I think a two week window for that reason is manageable without destroying the economy. Left open ended would be impracticable.
I get that but in two weeks time the numbers will have dropped and everyone will be back where we started. There’s only so long the country can manage this with that strategy.Wales have done it to reduce pressure on the NHS further down the line given that there's a correlation between infection rates occurring and hospitalization further down the line.
I think a two week window for that reason is manageable without destroying the economy. Left open ended would be impracticable.
Because the unions have massive power these days. What's the source for saying the unions are calling the shots?Till the teaching unions kick off about going back to work.
I have also said for a good while that decisions about total lockdown should be a targeted localised decision made by people who know what's happening down to ward level. It's silly to shut off whole regions because of spikes in very particular areas. That includes Wales btw. I would have targeted specific areas and not the whole country.I get that but in two weeks time the numbers will have dropped and everyone will be back where we started. There’s only so long the country can manage this with that strategy.
Wales have done it to reduce pressure on the NHS further down the line given that there's a correlation between infection rates occurring and hospitalization further down the line.
I think a two week window for that reason is manageable without destroying the economy. Left open ended would be impracticable.
Based on what?I think what Wiz is getting at is....lets get a fucked up labour party in power.
As opposed to you politicising a Global Pandemic.I think what Wiz is getting at is....lets get a fucked up labour party in power.
Don't disagree. That's why a localised decision would be understandable because people would know the hotspots in that area. That should ensure a greater level of compliance rather than a diktat from hundreds of miles away based on information about a place maybe 40 miles away but still in your region.Except it doesn't do that, it just pushes the peak back a couple of weeks and at enourmous cost.
There's only about 350 covid patients in Welsh hospitals BTW, there's no imminent danger of NHS collapse.
My concern is compliance, if we lockdown now without a compelling reason how many people will ignore it? What will be the effect on compliance with other measures after we exit lockdown? What about if we really need a 3rd lockdown in December?
There's also a possible before and after effect, if we know we're in lockdown next week then lots of people will catch up with friends this week, thus spreading the virus more, and potentially repeat this after lockdown.
There is also some evidence that the case numbers are stabilising already, so there's no pressing need for a lockdown and if this is indeed the case then lockdown would be much less effective than if deployed when we really need it.
As opposed to you politicising a Global Pandemic.
That idea has it's merits. But you end up with a patchwork quilt of potentially hundreds of small areas all under different rules which may cause even more confusion. I know there isn't a perfect way of dealing with this. I don't think anybody knows to be honest. I certainly don't.Don't disagree. That's why a localised decision would be understandable because people would know the hotspots in that area. That should ensure a greater level of compliance rather than a diktat from hundreds of miles away based on information about a place maybe 40 miles away but still in your region.
You'd have even more flouting of the rules if different areas where to shut down or not.That idea has it's merits. But you end up with a patchwork quilt of potentially hundreds of small areas all under different rules which may cause even more confusion. I know there isn't a perfect way of dealing with this. I don't think anybody knows to be honest. I certainly don't.
Local rules for local people. For the vast majority of council wards it would be the equivalent of tier 1.That idea has it's merits. But you end up with a patchwork quilt of potentially hundreds of small areas all under different rules which may cause even more confusion. I know there isn't a perfect way of dealing with this. I don't think anybody knows to be honest. I certainly don't.
If you broke it down to areas as small as council wards it would just cause more confusion and be far easier to flout the rulesLocal rules for local people. For the vast majority of council wards it would be the equivalent of tier 1.
Maybe we need to rethink the strategy because the current one sure ain't working.If you broke it down to areas as small as council wards it would just cause more confusion and be far easier to flout the rules
This Government are throwing money at everything like it's going out of fashion. Apparently that's ok with those who, before the last election were decrying Labour's plans as needing a magic money tree.Some of you clearly have no grasp of how an economic runs. Locking down for 3 weeks is not just 3 weeks for a business, its days of preparation at the start, then 3 weeks with £0 revenue, then potentially months to build back up. All the while I’m sure rents, utilities and staff are all expecting to be paid as normal. Traditional leftist approach is to throw more money at it but you can’t support every person losing their job and every business shutting down. This will decimate many life’s for years and we’ll look back realising what a massive overreaction it was.