Well done FIFA

Philbfctrois said:
For staying strong on this ridiculous one love armband thing

Looks like the FA have backed down and the captain won't be wearing it

Let football be the winner 🏆
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Let us bow down to intolerance.
Let us look the other way in order to stay in with the gang.
Let us not occupy the higher moral ground.
Let us be feeble and kowtow to FIFA.
...and all this from those who puff out their chests and sing God Save The King and Rule Britannia.
 
Typical ‘I’m all right Jack’ post. Fuck everyone else, all is fine. 1 player feels safe to be ‘out’ in the whole of football. That’s how fucked up it is. It’s shocking.

But the op thinks old folk, and others that can’t stand should not be given space either, the fuckers should turn up early and get a seat.

I’d much rather people stood by their principles and did the right thing. Being a white, Western, hetro blokein full health means you’ve got it easy on every level.

Diabolical tat England bottled this. Amazing the Iranians showed balls of steel ignoring their anthem.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
Typical ‘I’m all right Jack’ post. Fuck everyone else, all is fine. 1 player feels safe to be ‘out’ in the whole of football. That’s how fucked up it is. It’s shocking.

But the op thinks old folk, and others that can’t stand should not be given space either, the fuckers should turn up early and get a seat.

I’d much rather people stood by their principles and did the right thing. Being a white, Western, hetro blokein full health means you’ve got it easy on every level.

Diabolical tat England bottled this. Amazing the Iranians showed balls of steel ignoring their anthem.
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no words 🙁
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
Typical ‘I’m all right Jack’ post. Fuck everyone else, all is fine. 1 player feels safe to be ‘out’ in the whole of football. That’s how fucked up it is. It’s shocking.

But the op thinks old folk, and others that can’t stand should not be given space either, the fuckers should turn up early and get a seat.

I’d much rather people stood by their principles and did the right thing. Being a white, Western, hetro blokein full health means you’ve got it easy on every level.

Diabolical tat England bottled this. Amazing the Iranians showed balls of steel ignoring their anthem.
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My thoughts exactly.

Kane risked being booked yet the Iranians risk being thrown in jail when they return home.

Balls and no balls.
 
Adams Kebab said:
What a massive pile of nonsense all that’s been.

Can we just concentrate on getting the 3 points now 👍🏼
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It's always been about the 3 points Kebab.

They've pretended to be interested in all this rainbow b0110x but clearly it's not as important as trying to be successful in the competition and the armbands were quickly slung to the side as soon as yellow cards were mentioned.

Credit to Alex Scott though, she could have refused to go to Qatar but that would have been the easy option and she has bravely ventured to Qatar to highlight the issues.

So huge credit to Alex and an even bigger credit to her bank account, completely unrelated I'm sure.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
My thoughts exactly.

Kane risked being booked yet the Iranians risk being thrown in jail when they return home.

Balls and no balls.
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yep, that's tosh. Two totally separate issues. And let's face it, apart from Western Europe no one seems to give a damn about these Qatar issues. The Iranians won't be getting yellow cards by not singing their national anthem will they? And whether you like it or not, the players are there to play football, not to miss games by making a gesture.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
It's always been about the 3 points Kebab.

They've pretended to be interested in all this rainbow b0110x but clearly it's not as important as trying to be successful in the competition and the armbands were quickly slung to the side as soon as yellow cards were mentioned.

Credit to Alex Scott though, she could have refused to go to Qatar but that would have been the easy option and she has bravely ventured to Qatar to highlight the issues.

So huge credit to Alex and an even bigger credit to her bank account, completely unrelated I'm sure.
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Yup credit to Alex Scott. Out there bravely wearing an armband whilst trousering a hefty wad from the BBC. Yep very brave.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
Typical ‘I’m all right Jack’ post. Fuck everyone else, all is fine. 1 player feels safe to be ‘out’ in the whole of football. That’s how fucked up it is. It’s shocking.

But the op thinks old folk, and others that can’t stand should not be given space either, the fuckers should turn up early and get a seat.

I’d much rather people stood by their principles and did the right thing. Being a white, Western, hetro blokein full health means you’ve got it easy on every level.

Diabolical tat England bottled this. Amazing the Iranians showed balls of steel ignoring their anthem.
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England shouldn't be there. When it was awarded to Qatar 10 years ago they should have stood up and committed to boycott it.

Everything since (armbands, chin scratching and virtue signalling) is pathetic schoolyard stuff.

Absolute tosh.
 
Voice of Reason said:
England shouldn't be there. When it was awarded to Qatar 10 years ago they should have stood up and committed to boycott it.

Everything since (armbands, chin scratching and virtue signalling) is pathetic schoolyard stuff.

Absolute tosh.
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Yes, England and all other countries who were genuinely against the tournament should have made their feelings known to FIFA as soon as Qatar were chosen as hosts, some might say that they should have protested as soon as Qatar announced their intention to bid.

If FIFA are genuine about diversity then how the feck can they agree to host the biggest competition in football in a country that outlaws homosexuality ?

Maybe it's FIFA's fault because Qatar just have different values/cultures to others and have done nothing wrong expect be accepted to host the competition ?

I was watching something the other night and it was suggesting that Qatar are regretting their huge investment in staging the World Cup as rather than presenting themselves in a great light to the West, some of their culture is being exposed.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Yes, England and all other countries who were genuinely against the tournament should have made their feelings known to FIFA as soon as Qatar were chosen as hosts, some might say that they should have protested as soon as Qatar announced their intention to bid.

If FIFA are genuine about diversity then how the feck can they agree to host the biggest competition in football in a country that outlaws homosexuality ?

Maybe it's FIFA's fault because Qatar just have different values/cultures to others and have done nothing wrong expect be accepted to host the competition ?

I was watching something the other night and it was suggesting that Qatar are regretting their huge investment in staging the World Cup as rather than presenting themselves in a great light to the West, some of their culture is being exposed.
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The MGBGTB&Q aspects, whilst obviously valid, come way way behind the number of migrant labourers who died building their daft stadiums.
 
King Billy said:
We don’t do ourselves any favours either.
A threat of a player being booked and we completely fold like a deck of cards.
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you mean a bit like the rest of the Western European teams? The players want to play football and you want to deny them that chance? Of course, there are problems with Qatar but they aren't football related and in my view these are off the field issues. It really is grossly unfair to put the pressure on a footballer to get a booking over something he has no control over. At the end of the day, he's there to play football yet you want to deny him the right to do that? Once this tournament is over, I would suggest is the right time for the various football associations to hold FIFA to account and if so, jointly take actions agreed by them. If that is a boycott then so be it, but make no mistake as I said earlier, I doubt that outside of Western Europe there is the same level of outrage that some on here seem to feel.
 
King Billy said:
We don’t do ourselves any favours either.
A threat of a player being booked and we completely fold like a deck of cards.
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That's the whole point Billy, they never ever gave a feck and were just pretending to care.

The threat of a yellow card was more important than the silly rainbow armband.
 
20togo said:
let's face it, apart from Western Europe no one seems to give a damn about these Qatar issues.
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Yes, all those liberal democracies, insisting on tolerance for women, homosexuals, followers of other religions etc.

No-one gave a damn about the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany either, until it was far too late. Is that an excuse to just look the other way, then?
 
Voice of Reason said:
The MGBGTB&Q aspects, whilst obviously valid, come way way behind the number of migrant labourers who died building their daft stadiums.
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Yes Voice, I appreciate that, it was just nobody had died before they had won the bid to host and started construction.

I guess folk could wear a different colour armband and pretend to be bothered or they could have boycotted the competition.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Yes, all those liberal democracies, insisting on tolerance for women, homosexuals, followers of other religions etc.

No-one gave a damn about the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany either, until it was far too late. Is that an excuse to just look the other way, then?
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Well it seems they look the other way a damn sight more than we do. But there again, it's the British way to want to interfere in other countries way of life, culture, wars or whatever else you want to name. I'm not saying that's wrong but it just seems it's the way it is. And of course, that wasn't really my point was it but you chose to twist it to suit. My point as you know, is that it really isn't for individual footballers to make a stand in matches which may deprive them of the opportunity to play football. Which is the purpose for them being there, wouldn't you say?
 
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20togo said:
you mean a bit like the rest of the Western European teams? The players want to play football and you want to deny them that chance? Of course, there are problems with Qatar but they aren't football related and in my view these are off the field issues. It really is grossly unfair to put the pressure on a footballer to get a booking over something he has no control over. At the end of the day, he's there to play football yet you want to deny him the right to do that? Once this tournament is over, I would suggest is the right time for the various football associations to hold FIFA to account and if so, jointly take actions agreed by them. If that is a boycott then so be it, but make no mistake as I said earlier, I doubt that outside of Western Europe there is the same level of outrage that some on here seem to feel.
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I'd agree with just about all of that 20's but they clearly weren't overly serious with their rainbow protests given the speed that they slung their silly armbands the minute a booking was mentioned.

If holding the World Cup in Qatar was/is so wrong then the blame must lie at the door of FIFA as you say.

The players are mainly interested in competing in and trying to win a World Cup and not protesting about issues in the host country.
 
20togo said:
you mean a bit like the rest of the Western European teams? The players want to play football and you want to deny them that chance? Of course, there are problems with Qatar but they aren't football related and in my view these are off the field issues. It really is grossly unfair to put the pressure on a footballer to get a booking over something he has no control over. At the end of the day, he's there to play football yet you want to deny him the right to do that? Once this tournament is over, I would suggest is the right time for the various football associations to hold FIFA to account and if so, jointly take actions agreed by them. If that is a boycott then so be it, but make no mistake as I said earlier, I doubt that outside of Western Europe there is the same level of outrage that some on here seem to feel.
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So if the players want to play football why bring this armband thing up then saying they were going to defy FIFA and wear them?
Load of bollocks to me either you stand by your principles and don’t back down or you simply don’t bother bringing such things up in the first place.
Made us look rather silly now all this.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
So you think it's wrong then? Just a minute or two before you were saying something quite different.
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It's for other countries govt's and the people of those countries to decide whether it's wrong or not. So no, I'm not saying something quite different at all.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So if the players want to play football why bring this armband thing up then saying they were going to defy FIFA and wear them?
Load of bollocks to me either you stand by your principles and don’t back down or you simply don’t bother bringing such things up.
Made us look rather silly now all this.
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because some-one came up with an idea to wear them which in principle seemed a good idea. However, the ramifications then LATER laid down by FIFA, ie a booking rather than a FIFA fine of the FA was too big a punishment for a footballer who simply wants to play. And if we wore them, they'd get your thanks and it would all be forgotten about but then you'd have denied the players a chance to play football in a world cup.
 
20togo said:
It's for other countries govt's and the people of those countries to decide whether it's wrong or not. So no, I'm not saying something quite different at all.
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No opinion of your own then? Really? Quite happy for the biggest sport in the world to tacitly endorse these loathsome regimes?
 
20togo said:
you mean a bit like the rest of the Western European teams? The players want to play football and you want to deny them that chance? Of course, there are problems with Qatar but they aren't football related and in my view these are off the field issues. It really is grossly unfair to put the pressure on a footballer to get a booking over something he has no control over. At the end of the day, he's there to play football yet you want to deny him the right to do that? Once this tournament is over, I would suggest is the right time for the various football associations to hold FIFA to account and if so, jointly take actions agreed by them. If that is a boycott then so be it, but make no mistake as I said earlier, I doubt that outside of Western Europe there is the same level of outrage that some on here seem to feel.
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Yep like the rest of Europe. Either boycott it or keep our gobs shut.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
No opinion of your own then? Really? Quite happy for the biggest sport in the world to tacitly endorse these loathsome regimes?
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I've already made my suggestion at post #79 or had you forgotten about that? Is it the players fault that the WC was awarded to Qatar yet you seemingly think it's alright for them to be punished by missing games on behalf of this country and the rest of Western Europe. Yep, that seems a balanced view. Not!
 
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King Billy said:
Yep like the rest of Europe. Either boycott it or keep our gobs shut.
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Apparently boycotting is the easy option Billy.

It's better to go to the country and highlight the issues and gain additional work from the state broadcaster of the home country while you are there.

That's what Gary Neville's bank manager told me anyway.
 
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20togo said:
I've already made my suggestion at post #79 or had you forgotten about that?
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That wasn't an opinion. It was a very long-winded shrug of your shoulders.

I understand that you don't want real life to interfere with your right to enjoy sport - lots of others feel the same way. Unfortunately that's a moral and intellectual fiction that is very hard to maintain. Unless, of course, you actually want the circus that this tournament is already becoming. Which is a pity for the players who are clearly giving their all.

Where I do agree with you is that players should not have to take a moral stand - had we had moral and principled leadership of the sport we would't even be in Qatar. But once the tournament is underway then the players do have a great dal of leverage. And a lot of people think that the FA's and players of the nations who wanted to make a gesture should have called FIFA's bluff.

What would FIFA have done had England sent out an entire squad wearing these armbands? Booked them all? That would have rendered us incapable of playing our third group game, wouldn't it? FIFA could not have afforded to create that situation, and would have backed off. But none of the nations concerned had the courage to make a stand.

That is the thing that really disappoints - all that posturing, to no effect. Compare that with the Iranians, who did stand up for something they believe in.
 
King Billy said:
Yep like the rest of Europe. Either boycott it or keep our gobs shut.
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I can sort of agree with that. My point is that all this should have been done years ago. We've known for 12 years that the WC was to be held in Qatar. Perhaps the govts and different Football Associations should have got their heads together years ago and threatened to boycott. And I'd suggest if there was sufficient numbers of them and it included the major ones then they'd have been in a mucher stronger position, a position of strength and that it would have been FIFA who would have been forced to back down. But it's too late now and it's not the playets fault. So now we/they have to get on with it.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I'd

That wasn't an opinion. It was a very long-winded shrug of your shoulders.

I understand that you don't want real life to interfere with your right to enjoy sport - lots of others feel the same way. Unfortunately that's a moral and intellectual fiction that is very hard to maintain. Unless, of course, you actually want the circus that this tournament is already becoming. Which is a pity for the players who are clearly giving their all.

Where I do agree with you is that players should not have to take a moral stand - had we had moral and principled leadership of the sport we would't even be in Qatar. But once the tournament is underway then the players do have a great dal of leverage. And a lot of people think that the FA's and players of the nations who wanted to make a gesture should have called FIFA's bluff.

What would FIFA have done had England sent out an entire squad wearing these armbands? Booked them all? That would have rendered us incapable of playing our third group game, wouldn't it? FIFA could not have afforded to create that situation, and would have backed off. But none of the nations concerned had the courage to make a stand.

That is the thing that really disappoints - all that posturing, to no effect. Compare that with the Iranians, who did stand up for something they believe in.
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I think I cover this with my previous post. So it's not really a shrug of the shoulders at all. I'm saying it's too late now and it's not for the players to take the responsibility. And as I've already said the Iranians haven't been threatened with suspension. But there again, who knows what will happen to them when they return to Iran? Actions can have consequences, especially in countries like Iran.. No doubt if they end up 'disappearing' or end up being flogged or put in jail you'll think "ah well, it's for a worthy cause".
 
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I'd

That wasn't an opinion. It was a very long-winded shrug of your shoulders.

I understand that you don't want real life to interfere with your right to enjoy sport - lots of others feel the same way. Unfortunately that's a moral and intellectual fiction that is very hard to maintain. Unless, of course, you actually want the circus that this tournament is already becoming. Which is a pity for the players who are clearly giving their all.

Where I do agree with you is that players should not have to take a moral stand - had we had moral and principled leadership of the sport we would't even be in Qatar. But once the tournament is underway then the players do have a great dal of leverage. And a lot of people think that the FA's and players of the nations who wanted to make a gesture should have called FIFA's bluff.

What would FIFA have done had England sent out an entire squad wearing these armbands? Booked them all? That would have rendered us incapable of playing our third group game, wouldn't it? FIFA could not have afforded to create that situation, and would have backed off. But none of the nations concerned had the courage to make a stand.

That is the thing that really disappoints - all that posturing, to no effect. Compare that with the Iranians, who did stand up for something they believe in.
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It's nice to be nice Robbie so the players flew there in a rainbow areoplane and the captains wore rainbow armbands.

Much of what you say above is just a nicer way of saying what others are saying.

The rainbow armbands meant very little, certainly less than the threat of a yellow card and as you say the Iranians did stand up for what they believed in and I'm imagining they risked far more than a Trevor Brooking.
 
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