What do we ACTUALLY need?

If you cannot understand what I have written then maybe these forums arent for you...I wont accuse you of not being a fan as you did with me but I seriously doubt your your intelligence quotient...in fact if you were twice as clever you wouldnt even be a half wit
Incoherent ALL CAPS drivel merchant questions my ‘intelligence quotient’ but doesn’t know where the apostrophe in ‘wouldn’t’ should go. Wonderful!

Got to work harder to get on my ignored list though. Keep trying.
 
Stuart Moore?

Maybe. Critch does like him.

I wouldn't be that delighted with him as a number 2 and as a no 3 I'd wonder why, if we're a club dedicated to developing youth, we're bothering with a no3 who is coming on for 30.
The club saw fit to exercise their option on him last summer and give him a place in a 25-man squad, if they think he's good enough to be #3 in the Championship then he ought to be good enough to be #2 in L1.
 
Incoherent ALL CAPS drivel merchant questions my ‘intelligence quotient’ but doesn’t know where the apostrophe in ‘wouldn’t’ should go. Wonderful!

Got to work harder to get on my ignored list though. Keep trying.
The biggest comedy is that it was a prominent moderator who created this username because he accidentally deleted my original one and couldn't restore it...but dont let that get in the way you simpleton.
 
The club saw fit to exercise their option on him last summer and give him a place in a 25-man squad, if they think he's good enough to be #3 in the Championship then he ought to be good enough to be #2 in L1.

I'm not convinced. Surely you make the no 2 the equivalent of Grimmy when he signed... I.e. someone who can accrue value and push for No1.

Moore isn't that player.

He was kept on cos he's 'great in training and ok in an emergency '

I want more from a no2.
 
Where we differ Voy is that I think we are at least a window behind where we should have been...we had money in for Bowler and Critch and for whatever reason we didnt spend any of it...I still believe that at least half of that money should be directly invested back into team strengthening and if we sell Jerry then the same should apply...half will suffice to show ambition and intent...that would be a £5 mill warchest and should put us in good shape albeit belatedly...no guarantees of course but I think everyone would be buzzing if that happened where at the moment that is not the case.
 
Where we differ Voy is that I think we are at least a window behind where we should have been...we had money in for Bowler and Critch and for whatever reason we didnt spend any of it...I still believe that at least half of that money should be directly invested back into team strengthening and if we sell Jerry then the same should apply...half will suffice to show ambition and intent...that would be a £5 mill warchest and should put us in good shape albeit belatedly...no guarantees of course but I think everyone would be buzzing if that happened where at the moment that is not the case.
It will be reinvested but not as transfer fees. Its not hard to understand.

We need to strengthen but its not desperate. A lot hinges on who we bring in. Let's see.
 
I'm not convinced. Surely you make the no 2 the equivalent of Grimmy when he signed... I.e. someone who can accrue value and push for No1.

Moore isn't that player.

He was kept on cos he's 'great in training and ok in an emergency '

I want more from a no2.
I'd like the No 2 to be the equivalent of Grimmy now, if not better!
 
I'm not convinced. Surely you make the no 2 the equivalent of Grimmy when he signed... I.e. someone who can accrue value and push for No1.

Moore isn't that player.

He was kept on cos he's 'great in training and ok in an emergency '

I want more from a no2.
The only way they accrue value is if they play, and if they play, that means Grimshaw is losing value.

I'm happy with a #2 who's happy to sit on the bench and can do the job if needed.
 
The only way they accrue value is if they play, and if they play, that means Grimshaw is losing value.

I'm happy with a #2 who's happy to sit on the bench and can do the job if needed.
I'm not sure I'd want Moore in goals for months if Grimmy broke his leg. I just think he's a dead end. Had 3 years with us and started once, played one other half.

Nothing in his prior career, his time with us and his time on loan from us suggests he'd push Grimmy or be adequate as a replacement in the event of a medium/long term injury.
 
Last edited:
Totally disagree...it is that desperate and we are seriously lacking in quality...we need about another 9-10 in and we need them to be first team ready
How much would your 9 or 10 first team ready players cost us as an estimate?

Is it realistic?

Seems to me that the only way you’ll get that is if SS sells up and we find a rich Russian, Arab, Chinese type owner to flash the cash? As Phil says
 
How much would your 9 or 10 first team ready players cost us as an estimate?

Is it realistic?
It’s a good and fair question and why I haven’t slagged off our latest acquisition…I think realistically we will have to go for a mixture of free, inexpensive and more expensive signings to get the talent we definitely need. I believe half the money we have already received for bowler and Critchley and half of anything we get for Jerry is fair..I also think it would be fair if the other half went towards paying the owner something back and reducing his liability.
 
It’s a good and fair question and why I haven’t slagged off our latest acquisition…I think realistically we will have to go for a mixture of free, inexpensive and more expensive signings to get the talent we definitely need. I believe half the money we have already received for bowler and Critchley and half of anything we get for Jerry is fair..I also think it would be fair if the other half went towards paying the owner something back and reducing his liability.

Agree
 
The current M O of the club is to bring in young, promising talent, develop the talent and sell on for a profit, that's why Critchley is back! That makes perfect sense for a small club like ours. We do need to compete to be able to attract that talent though so it's a fine balance of bringing in young promising talent and quality, experienced players. Get the balance right and we'll do well. L1 can be tough to get out of, we know that, but get the balance right and we can be back in the Championship sooner rather than later!
 
How much would your 9 or 10 first team ready players cost us as an estimate?

Is it realistic?

Seems to me that the only way you’ll get that is if SS sells up and we find a rich Russian, Arab, Chinese type owner to flash the cash? As Phil says
We did it in summer 2020. Must have been more than 9 or 10. The cost wasn't that much.

We will have a squad of 25 and we have 19/20 now and some will leave. So its minimum 5 and probably 8 to 10 i reckon. Not much on fees though. Our wage bill reduced significantly when the retained lust was announced.

It was 13 permanent and 4 loans before the 2020 summer window shut. Then 2 permanents and 3 loans in January.
 
The biggest comedy is that it was a prominent moderator who created this username because he accidentally deleted my original one and couldn't restore it...but dont let that get in the way you simpleton.

I’m on his ignore list because he doesn’t like it when people realise what an “I love us being little Blackpool” tosser he is.

I’m going to wait till the season starts, see who we sell, loan out and who we bring in, then wait until the end of the transfer window, if the signings are few and far between or they are a bit meh then after 8 to 10 games we’ll see how good the summer has or hasn’t been.

We do have some players that are a real bonus to us in League 1; Grimshaw, Lyons, Gabriel, Connolly, Marv, Hubby, Thompson, Trybull, Carey, CJ, Lavery. I have left out Jerry because he’s likely to be sold plus we have Casey, Tharme, Morgan, James, Dougall, Apter, Virtue, Dale & Beesley who may be god enough. That’s 20 players out of a squad of 22 plus keepers. We are likely to see 4 or 5 of those sold or loaned out plus a couple will be under 21.

Looking at the names I would think we will be looking to sign another 6 or 7 players plus another keeper.
 
Due to injuries and managerial incompetence we don’t know what we have or whether what we have playing in their proper roles can gel as a team.
 
There really is some hysterical nonsense on here. Why is it that a major rebuild is invariably needed? Is the need for change some sort of comfort blanket? Of course there will be some changes, as to stand still would be a step back, but I'm convinced that we have a good squad in place already. I can't honestly foresee many incomings until NC has assessed the existing squad. There are a few positions that most agree on and to that extent are obvious, but major overhaul ain't gonna happen.
 
Smaller squads allowed this season compared to last and given the massive impact injuries can and did have last season I expect the club to look to players who offer a degree of utility.

We need 1, possibly 2 GK’s.
We need 1 CB
We need 1 CM
We need 2 wingers/ wide forwards
We need 1 forward.

Not sure what the clamour for a LB or RB is all about. On the left James just helped get Wednesday promoted from this division. Thompson is raw but maybe ok in League 1 and will likely develop under Critchley. We also have Lyons and then Husband. On the right we have Gabriel, Lyons and then Connolly if needed and at a push it’s a position a CB, CM or RW can fill. Even Yates played there last season !
 
Smaller squads allowed this season compared to last and given the massive impact injuries can and did have last season I expect the club to look to players who offer a degree of utility.

We need 1, possibly 2 GK’s.
We need 1 CB
We need 1 CM
We need 2 wingers/ wide forwards
We need 1 forward.

Not sure what the clamour for a LB or RB is all about. On the left James just helped get Wednesday promoted from this division. Thompson is raw but maybe ok in League 1 and will likely develop under Critchley. We also have Lyons and then Husband. On the right we have Gabriel, Lyons and then Connolly if needed and at a push it’s a position a CB, CM or RW can fill. Even Yates played there last season !
'Can fill' was the issue last season

We need specialists in key positions

Making do want wash again this season
 
'Can fill' was the issue last season

We need specialists in key positions

Making do want wash again this season
The problem is if you have 11 specialists when you do get injuries then you’re screwed. It also limits your ability to switch tactically - which Critchley likes to do. We need some specialists - but we also need adaptability - especially in League 1
 
The problem is if you have 11 specialists when you do get injuries then you’re screwed. It also limits your ability to switch tactically - which Critchley likes to do. We need some specialists - but we also need adaptability - especially in League 1

20 specialists, 2 utility players plus keepers, and even specialists can play out of position if needed.
 
Summer 2020 was a bit of a special situation, Covid and all that, even then only two or three of the signings really worked out.
It was unusual but we managed to.afford it and it didnt cost much in fees. We will sign however many we need to get to 22 outfield players plus keepers, and some of our existing squad memvers wont be in the final 22.
 
It was unusual but we managed to.afford it and it didnt cost much in fees.
My point was that there were a lot of players available in summer 2020 (and 2021), and clubs were willing to accept low-ball offers that would normally be knocked back, the same situation does not apply today.
 
20 specialists, 2 utility players plus keepers, and even specialists can play out of position if needed.
Doesn’t really work if you want to switch your tactics up. You also want to be able to account for 3/4 players being out at any one time as ultimately it happens.
 
I'm not sure I'd want Moore in goals for months if Grimmy broke his leg. I just think he's a dead end. Had 3 years with us and started once, played one other half.

Nothing in his prior career, his time with us and his time on loan from us suggests he'd push Grimmy or be adequate as a replacement in the event of a medium/long term injury.
He had Grimshaw and Maxwell ahead of him, it's not that surprising that he didn't play.

The club thought he was good enough for a squad place in the Championship, he should be good enough for L1.
 
My point was that there were a lot of players available in summer 2020 (and 2021), and clubs were willing to accept low-ball offers that would normally be knocked back, the same situation does not apply today.
Ah i see. Good point. But there are still plenty of players around needing first team football and we'll find 7 or 8. Players we signed in 2020 included a loy if released players and loans. There are too many footballers.
 
Ah i see. Good point. But there are still plenty of players around needing first team football and we'll find 7 or 8. Players we signed in 2020 included a loy if released players and loans. There are too many footballers.
Going through the list of players who are out of contract, there doesn't seem to be all that many around who might fit BFC.
 
At league one players like Husband and Connolly and CJ will be good. We are only allowed 22 outfielders in the squad. I don't want 8 or 9 signings of similar quality to what we have, which is what we have done recently. I'd like to sign 5 quality players.
Left sided CB, striker, winger and centre mid we need players of high quality.
Even if loans for some, I want to spend double the money on 4 or 5 rather than 8 or 9 lesser players.
 
Going through the list of players who are out of contract, there doesn't seem to be all that many around who might fit BFC.
Prem clubs will be releasing players as usual, surely, loan options will be pretty plentiful. And we can go after better younger L2/Nat
league players with the offer of better wages and a grounding with Critch. We'll have to see but there are always players around and we are a reasonably attractive proposition.
 
Prem clubs will be releasing players as usual, surely,
I've been through the released lists, there are almost zero who have any sort of EFL experience, there certainly isn't a crop of Bowler/Connolly/Grimshaw type players out there.


loan options will be pretty plentiful.
Yes, but with TJJ, Williams, Corbeaneau, we know those can be hit and miss.


And we can go after better younger L2/Nat
league players with the offer of better wages and a grounding with Critch. We'll have to see but there are always players around and we are a reasonably attractive proposition.
Again yes, but my point is that I think the market seems to be much tighter than it was 3 years ago, there don't seem to be that many good L1 players available for free, which then means that the competition for players that are under contract is going to be much fiercer than in previous years.

I'm sure we'll get players in, but I think it's going to be hard work for the recruitment staff.
 
I've been through the released lists, there are almost zero who have any sort of EFL experience, there certainly isn't a crop of Bowler/Connolly/Grimshaw type players out there.



Yes, but with TJJ, Williams, Corbeaneau, we know those can be hit and miss.



Again yes, but my point is that I think the market seems to be much tighter than it was 3 years ago, there don't seem to be that many good L1 players available for free, which then means that the competition for players that are under contract is going to be much fiercer than in previous years.

I'm sure we'll get players in, but I think it's going to be hard work for the recruitment staff.
Interesting ta. Most of Critch's loans were good. TJJ had ability but lacked essential ingredients.
 
We definitely need based on the players we currently have:-
A Keeper to challenge Grimshaw
A Centre Back to play alongside Marv
A playmaker to create openings in midfield ( assuming Trybull stays fit to play DM)
A winger
At least TWO new strikers.
 
We need to sign players who can get us back to the Championship and stay there. It was fairly obvious the players we have are unable to compete in a league higher let alone not get relegated.
 
The problem is if you have 11 specialists when you do get injuries then you’re screwed. It also limits your ability to switch tactically - which Critchley likes to do. We need some specialists - but we also need adaptability - especially in League 1
To be honest I dont get that at all especially the Critchley comment as generally under his last spell with us we were a ridged 442
 
We definitely need based on the players we currently have:-
A Keeper to challenge Grimshaw
A Centre Back to play alongside Marv
A playmaker to create openings in midfield ( assuming Trybull stays fit to play DM)
A winger
At least TWO new strikers.
Agree, some common sense at last. My key point is that major overhaul is not needed and wont happen. In addition though, some of the recruitment will be determined by Critch's assessment of the squad pre-season. The CB position may be an example of that depending on how either Tharme or Casey shape up. Also the striker situation - yes an out and out striker needed to replace Madine, but any more will likely depend on whether Yates stays or goes.
 
Back
Top