What's changed with MM

WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Ok ,sorry for that ,but I have been at war with another who said I lie and talk shit basically . Which ,yes he is entitled to his opinion ,but I never purposely lie and I believe in the tosh I write. I'm sure you probably agree with some of his comments.
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Nope, I'm afraid you've got me there. Whose comments am I supposed to agree with ? I read everyone's opinions, some I agree with some I don't.
 
tangerinesince88 said:
We absolutely were hoofing it under MA. It was turgid stuff, just like now. The reality is the players aren’t good enough for this level, BUT an experienced manager like MM has a far far better chance to keep us up than MA, anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
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I’ve got half a brain cell & was reasonably happy with the appointment of mm, very worried now, the way he bigged up Poveda after Southampton was obviously going to give him even more confidence, then he’s basically dropped for 3 games. I just can’t get my head around it, also I don’t agree about the players not being good enough, we’ve got some great players, they just seem lost & low on confidence
 
tangerinesince88 said:
We absolutely were hoofing it under MA. It was turgid stuff, just like now. The reality is the players aren’t good enough for this level, BUT an experienced manager like MM has a far far better chance to keep us up than MA, anyone with half a brain could tell you that.
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Not with the players he has in his squad, I wouldn’t want Appleton back but I’d rather have him than ‘Ave it Mick
 
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hertfordseasider said:
We weren't playing that way at all under MA. I'm not comparing hoofball Mick with MA anyway, I am saying that hoofball Mick is absolutely useless and yet he was bought in to transform us, well, he hasn't and it's no surprise given his tactics. So come on, tell me why hoofball MM is the right manager, let's hear it?
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Lets give him some time. We aren't pissing about at the back and putting ourselves under pressure. The players in the last two games are clearly united. There isn't the questions being asked about 'lack of leaders' - there might be questions asked about lack of ability to break a team down, but the team, whilst playing an agricultural style, didn't look 'lost' and he's definitely stiffened the defensive unit.

WE look like a team. Maybe not a very good one, but a team. The only really horrible performance was Boro and then, we made chances. The other two were awful games against nasty teams who break up play and rile you up. Basically, it was like fighting ourselves (i.e. what Mick is trying to make us) - Soton in the cup we were actually quite good.

I don't care if we play hoof ball or tikitaka as long as everyone is all in and he works out who the best players are for the system.

I hate football snobbishness about certain styles and I hate the instant culture that basically reduces football management to 'picking the team' and nothing else. It takes a bit of time. Yes, time is running out, but there we go.

It's like the Poveda debate. There's every chance that as Bowler struggled today in the main, they'd just have tripped him every time he got the ball. Would he have battled like Carey did? I'm not sure. It's just possible (I know I'm deliberately taking an annoyingly optimistic slant) that he's decided to keep Poveda for a different sort of game. Yeah, we ran through Forest, but they let us play. No way would Rovrum let us do what we did against Forest reserves or even Soton reserves. Totally different kettle of fish.
 
td53 said:
Lets give him some time. We aren't pissing about at the back and putting ourselves under pressure. The players in the last two games are clearly united. There isn't the questions being asked about 'lack of leaders' - there might be questions asked about lack of ability to break a team down, but the team, whilst playing an agricultural style, didn't look 'lost' and he's definitely stiffened the defensive unit.

WE look like a team. Maybe not a very good one, but a team. The only really horrible performance was Boro and then, we made chances. The other two were awful games against nasty teams who break up play and rile you up. Basically, it was like fighting ourselves (i.e. what Mick is trying to make us) - Soton in the cup we were actually quite good.

I don't care if we play hoof ball or tikitaka as long as everyone is all in and he works out who the best players are for the system.

I hate football snobbishness about certain styles and I hate the instant culture that basically reduces football management to 'picking the team' and nothing else. It takes a bit of time. Yes, time is running out, but there we go.

It's like the Poveda debate. There's every chance that as Bowler struggled today in the main, they'd just have tripped him every time he got the ball. Would he have battled like Carey did? I'm not sure. It's just possible (I know I'm deliberately taking an annoyingly optimistic slant) that he's decided to keep Poveda for a different sort of game. Yeah, we ran through Forest, but they let us play. No way would Rovrum let us do what we did against Forest reserves or even Soton reserves. Totally different kettle of fish.
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Nothing wrong with being optimistic Matt, there are still plenty of games but we don’t look like we have a win in us, if we could just get one more might follow. I don’t like MM’s style, we launched the ball into e it 84 times today, that’s horrible, we haven’t looked like a football team for months and unless things miraculously change soon we will be cut adrift.

We seriously could be down to 14 fit players on Tuesday with no striker, what if we pick up another couple of injuries? I’m really worried and what worries me more s the complete lack of understanding or skill from Sadler and BB. Whatever happens we are going to be in a right state by the end of the season, how have they let that happen.

I have no worries about the players commitment and togetherness but I do worry about ‘Ave it Mick and the lack of fit players.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Nothing wrong with being optimistic Matt, there are still plenty of games but we don’t look like we have a win in us, if we could just get one more might follow. I don’t like MM’s style, we launched the ball into e it 84 times today, that’s horrible, we haven’t looked like a football team for months and unless things miraculously change soon we will be cut adrift.

We seriously could be down to 14 fit players on Tuesday with no striker, what if we pick up another couple of injuries? I’m really worried and what worries me more s the complete lack of understanding or skill from Sadler and BB. Whatever happens we are going to be in a right state by the end of the season, how have they let that happen.

I have no worries about the players commitment and togetherness but I do worry about ‘Ave it Mick and the lack of fit players.
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I haven't the energy for the big picture. We just need to stay up. What happens in summer can wait. McCarthy is the manager and we'll just have to back him. Very few people stayed patient with Appleton. A lot of people, inclufing podcast people actually *wanted* a 'back to basics' approach. We got it. It is what it s.

We've just not signed very well. We've actually brought in nearly 20 players since last Jan. Barely any of the have been unqualified successes. We've just plain got that wrong. Mostly the players have been too young or too injured or not good enough.

We can go on and on and on about it but ultimately, we don't pay big wages and we need to make the wages and fees we do pay count double because of that. We haven't.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Come on then..... defend that utter shit show. He is taking us down, he is yesterdays manager, a dinosaur, no one wants to play or watch that sort of goofball any more. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Man up and admit you were wrong.
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You obviously can't read or need a special needs nurse.
 
Normanak said:
Nope, I'm afraid you've got me there. Whose comments am I supposed to agree with ? I read everyone's opinions, some I agree with some I don't.
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20togo , I am sure you will agree with most of the stuff he writes , but I find that most of the stuff he writes is aggressive and insulting.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
20togo , I am sure you will agree with most of the stuff he writes , but I find that most of the stuff he writes is aggressive and insulting.
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I will look out for your future posts and hopefully we can have a friendly debate or even agree. Could not honestly tell you if I have agreed with 20togo's views. As I said I take each post on it's merits. Actually I don't tend to look at whose posting just what they are saying.
 
20togo said:
you've called people clueless and other words. And you were lying. McCarthy did not promise Bowler a start. You made it up.
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Clueless is a description and I never lie on purpose, I even told you how to find what I read , but me and you seem to be on different levels on the way we think .So although I may think of someone being an idiot ,a clown or just a total prick . I will try not to call them that on line.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Clueless is a description and I never lie on purpose, I even told you how to find what I read , but me and you seem to be on different levels on the way we think .So although I may think of someone being an idiot ,a clown or just a total prick . I will try not to call them that on line.
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calling some-one clueless is an insult. Moreso than saying nonsense or tosh and yep, i've said clueless too. But it's a football message board, it's where a frank exchange of views happen. And you may not have intentionally lied but lie you did. McCarthy did not promise Bowler a start. I thought we'd moved on from that though.
 
20togo said:
calling some-one clueless is an insult. Moreso than saying nonsense or tosh and yep, i've said clueless too. But it's a football message board, it's where a frank exchange of views happen. And you may not have intentionally lied but lie you did. McCarthy did not promise Bowler a start. I thought we'd moved on from that though.
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Just replying
 
20togo said:
the penny doesn't sink in with WOT. If we're ten points or so adrift in 7 or 8 games he'll be still coming out with crap about MM needing time. MM was brought in to start getting results NOW. Not in 7 or 8 games time. It has to start saturday. The pressure on the players is building and the failure to get a win simply puts more pressure onto the next game. WOT doesn't seem able to comprehend that. And jeez, how many times is he gonna spell FLAIR incorrectly.
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He's already improving on Appleton. A clean sheet is a good building block. Keep clean sheets and you're only a goal away from a win. With Appleton we needed to score three, as we were wide open.

Agree with you on flair🤣
 
When he came with his Cardiff giants last year the board was up in arms giving him dog's abuse after the match over his tactics and non style of football.
Well it's arrived here but the only difference is our team aren't giants but the football and the tactics are the same.
This guy will not win the matches required to keep us up and we've just lost 4 points at home due to poor team selection.
Our strengths are playing football and keeping the ball on the ground end of
 
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