He came in all bright, breezy and positive and a good number of us thought he could be a wise appointment by SS. Now he's dour and talks as if he regrets taking the job. His interviews are so downbeat I can't see how this is motivating the players. This is particularly the case with Josh Bowler. For Josh it was probably a touch embarrassing to find himself back at Bloomfield Road but he's a player that can create and score goals. Tueday night proved that. Mick seems to want to be critical of him. He should be praising him and boosting his confidence. I'm really disappointed in MM and those that have said on this forum that he is a poor appointment I fear could well be spot on. As others have said the next game will go a long way to giving us the answer.
What's changed with MM
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StAnnesExile
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I'd disagree - still a million miles more upbeat than the previous manager - and definitely seems more of a motivator. His post match comments on Tuesday were fair and he even acknowledges the importance of the crowd. What's the issue? Honestly this is an experienced manager - potentially having one last swansong and looking to go out on a high. Me i'm pretty happy with him - at least we can sing tangerine army properly with his name!
Fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinions. Can I assume you were happy with the team he picked ?
I have to agree.....
tangerine_neil
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He is a bit more cheery than Appleton, but it’s a pretty low bar.
At least he shows some spirit and emotion on the touchline.
Team selection and tactics leave a lot of room for improvement.
At least he shows some spirit and emotion on the touchline.
Team selection and tactics leave a lot of room for improvement.
North Pier
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This is the problem now.
We were all so pleased to get rid of Appleton, that ANYONE would get a warm welcome from us!
However, we had fans of Cardiff and Ipswich coming on here warning us the type of football Mad Mick would have us play but we didn't care, because Appleton had gone!
Now, we're only three games in of McCarthy's reign and already some are not happy, as he sticks to his old methods and seems stubborn and unflexable.
We need wins desperately, but so far Mick is not even giving us a chance, by putting our best team on the pitch.
It needs to change right Now or we'll be looking for another new manager for a League one campaign
BFC_Aspie
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Did you see how he reacted to certain moments on the touchline Tuesday? He was constantly giving the players instructions, you should have seen how far he booted his water bottle when their second went in. Then the reaction for Josh's equaliser, none of this are reactions of someone who regrets taking the job
thedevilsadvocate
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My heart sank when MM was appointed but his first interview caught my attention and got me on board. However, that team selection on Tuesday night, geared with that first half performance reminded me of my initial reaction, what have Sadler and Mansford done !! . The injury to Goode and the sending off of Hazardine forced him to put some ' flair ' on the pitch and we salvaged a point by being expressive and playing on the front foot. Mick, you're not to old to reconsider your lifelong strategy. Our offensive players can get us out of this mess if you will not only trust them but pick them ! Attack will keep us up, negativity will kill both us and finish your long career. Think on !
1966_and_all_that
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Sadly, that's a fair post.
Old_Laytonian
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He' s devastated by Phil's lack of support
Ping Pong
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Eternaloptimist
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Just one question to all you of you wannabe managers who always know more then people who have spent most of their lives in the professional game.
How the fcuk can a manager decide his best XI when he has only been at the club for 2 weeks?
People conveniently forget that we, as supporters, have followed the club for years and subsequently know (allegedly) what players can play where, who will run forever, who is lazy, who is a liability, etc etc.
There is no way on earth that a new manager would get that knowledge unless they have worked with their players on the training field and seen them in action on the pitch
In addition to that it would take ages to ascertain the best formation and combination.
Unless of course they are crap on the training ground.
So bottom line is don’t judge McCarthy after 3 games.
How the fcuk can a manager decide his best XI when he has only been at the club for 2 weeks?
People conveniently forget that we, as supporters, have followed the club for years and subsequently know (allegedly) what players can play where, who will run forever, who is lazy, who is a liability, etc etc.
There is no way on earth that a new manager would get that knowledge unless they have worked with their players on the training field and seen them in action on the pitch
In addition to that it would take ages to ascertain the best formation and combination.
Unless of course they are crap on the training ground.
So bottom line is don’t judge McCarthy after 3 games.
Ormergod
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I’m happy with Mick and I don’t particularly think he has been downbeat in the interviews I’ve listened to but I will slightly agree with the OP regarding the comments made towards Josh Bowler.I read the piece on the Gazette site this morning about Josh doing the other side of the game or you won’t play in this team.Honest answer..I was quite surprised at him for saying those things publicly.He probably does have a valid point but I don’t know if it’s the right thing to say in the media when we need a slightly off boil Bowler to be firing on all cylinders.Bowler to his credit takes criticism well as we have seen but I also think he is the sort of lad who will get quite down about those comments aswell on a private level.Suprising bit of man management from Mick on this one,we need Bowler happy and confident.
voyeur
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Mick has worked with the players on the training pitch for 3 weeks , and has access to plenty of match videos. And it's his job. We don't expect perfection, but working out your best players shouldn't take weeks and months
tangerine.com
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We need all players happy and confident.
Aside from being pure speculation, that doesn't seem like he takes criticism well.
Sooty59
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Simonized
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He has wasted him for 2 and 3/4 of his games in charge now and fortunately one was a cup game with no points at stake.
Playing him out of position in two and then on the bench, then finally bringing him on to do exactly what JB is good at.
Absolute stupidity on MM's part
Ormergod
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yes it did sound quite contradictory when I typed it but Im referring to a game last season,think he had missed a sitter and twitter piled on him. Bowler tweeted something in response something along the lines of I know I can do better and apologise etc.Thats what I was getting at with accepting criticism.Publically anyway but he seems a quiet lad to me and im assuming stuff like that does dwell on him.Im guessing here I dont know the lad.
In our perilous position, just put players in their established roles. Not rocket science!
BFC_53
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He probably logged on to avftt and had a read.
Wizaard
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Have you thought that maybe someone with over 1,000 games experience, mainly at this level, who watches the players in training all week, possibly has a better idea of his best team than you?This is the problem now.
We were all so pleased to get rid of Appleton, that ANYONE would get a warm welcome from us!
However, we had fans of Cardiff and Ipswich coming on here warning us the type of football Mad Mick would have us play but we didn't care, because Appleton had gone!
Now, we're only three games in of McCarthy's reign and already some are not happy, as he sticks to his old methods and seems stubborn and unflexable.
We need wins desperately, but so far Mick is not even giving us a chance, by putting our best team on the pitch.
It needs to change right Now or we'll be looking for another new manager for a League one campaign
North Pier
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He's been at Blackpool for only 3 of those games!
Whereas I feel like I've watched a 1000 Blackpool games, so NO! I don't think he has a better idea of our best team sorry!
voyeur
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Trying to justify his starting XI without Bowler I guess.
The criticism is justified but it gets too intense, and OTT. The podcast guys tonight were aghast at the starting XI. But if you swapped in Poveda and Rogers for Carey and CJ and brought Josh off the bench, everyone would've been happy with that. Two changes.
And tbh there must be a problem with Poveda cos Mick has waxed lyrical about him more than once. Summat has happened and someone today said he turns up late for training. Which has to be dealt with.
Which leaves Rogers/CJ. And MM must feel that CJ has more experience, more confidence. Rogers had that moment of magic but had struggled to get involved til that point.
So the problems of selection are probably exaggerated. But we need to see progress on Saturday. Jettisoning Thorniley wasn't smart. He's been a regular here who has been consistent. He, Hubby and Connolly are all solid performers for us, committed anc reliable. Stick those 3 and Lyons behind Trybull and Dougall and get Jerry and Josh plus two others based on training etc and we stand a chance. If Pov is fecking about, use Patino with Josh right of him, and Rogers or CJ left. Get them all around Jerry and play one two's etc. Jerry isn't a target man but he's a good fulcrum.
PdxTangerine
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Outside of the team he picked on Tues, which hopefully he's learned from I'm pleased with most of what I've seen. Like others have said his passion and constant instruction on the touchline is very refreshing after Appleton. The motivation is clearly there from what I've seen and it's motivation for the "right reasons" (It's not likely to be the money that's motivating him considering what he's earned and what he's likely on).
That being said the performance outside of the last 15 was arguably worse than 95% of how we played under Appleton, I just hope he's not too stubborn to see that we need wingbacks who can go forward (we've missed Gabriel for me) and our best creative winger and attacking mid in front of the two defensive mods.
Cant see us grinding out 7-8 1-0 wins, we're not good enough defensively for that.
That being said the performance outside of the last 15 was arguably worse than 95% of how we played under Appleton, I just hope he's not too stubborn to see that we need wingbacks who can go forward (we've missed Gabriel for me) and our best creative winger and attacking mid in front of the two defensive mods.
Cant see us grinding out 7-8 1-0 wins, we're not good enough defensively for that.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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You wanted him to do a job ,let him get on with it. If he can get Bowler to work harder to keep his place ,thats a bonus. If he can get the goalie and the defenders to get the ball up field instead of passing it around at the back ,that's a bonus. If he can improve our defence over the next few games ,that's a bonus.
You like all the know all's want him to pick the the flare players to entertain ,just like Appleton ,that's going backwards . You want him to put Bowler on the wing at the start like against Watford and Middlesborough ,that going backwards . Why don't you apply for a managers job for the Fylde under 10s ,you seem to know your stuff.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Agreed ,but has he been given time to see what he wants to do with the team. No .As I have written before , Sir Alex nearly got sacked at UTD because he was shit for the first 7 or 8 games.He is a bit more cheery than Appleton, but it’s a pretty low bar.
At least he shows some spirit and emotion on the touchline.
Team selection and tactics leave a lot of room for improvement.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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What most of us think is put on our flare players from the start Bowler ,Patino ,Povada and Yates . We have been trying that for the last two months and not won a game. [except FA Cup]. Why are we telling the new manager that he is getting it wrong ,when Appleton has brainwashed us into thinking he had it right.This is the problem now.
We were all so pleased to get rid of Appleton, that ANYONE would get a warm welcome from us!
However, we had fans of Cardiff and Ipswich coming on here warning us the type of football Mad Mick would have us play but we didn't care, because Appleton had gone!
Now, we're only three games in of McCarthy's reign and already some are not happy, as he sticks to his old methods and seems stubborn and unflexable.
We need wins desperately, but so far Mick is not even giving us a chance, by putting our best team on the pitch.
It needs to change right Now or we'll be looking for another new manager for a League one campaign
Wizaard
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He said last week there would be rotation because of the number of midweek games. Maybe that explains why Thorniley didn't make the bench but will be involved tomorrow?
B_Block_Tangerine
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Connolly quoted this week saying that Mick McCarthy is a Manager who is good to play for and as a player for him, you feel as if you've let him down if the team draws or loses.
Sounds like he's really negging the players out and they aren't buying into it
Sounds like he's really negging the players out and they aren't buying into it
I don't follow why you say I'm a know-all. I was just giving my opinion as were you. I'm not calling you a know-all. Your last sentence is just bizarre???
hertfordseasider
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In case you've missed it he hasn't got 7 or 8 games to get it right!! FFS! What's wrong with you? He is going to play hoofball whilst he's our manager that's what he wants to do with our team, and he is no Alex Fergusson!!
20togo
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the penny doesn't sink in with WOT. If we're ten points or so adrift in 7 or 8 games he'll be still coming out with crap about MM needing time. MM was brought in to start getting results NOW. Not in 7 or 8 games time. It has to start saturday. The pressure on the players is building and the failure to get a win simply puts more pressure onto the next game. WOT doesn't seem able to comprehend that. And jeez, how many times is he gonna spell FLAIR incorrectly.
tangerinespud
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About 15-20 mins in on Tuesday MM shown more emotion arguing something & shouting instructions than Appleton did ever.
Yes firmly believe his team selection on Tuesday was initially negative. But I think, if Madine hadnt been stupid, we would have turned the game around 2nd half with the attackers we could turn to on the bench. Tuesday tactic, before the sending off, was to still be in the game by 65-70 mins then unleash the flare.
MM’s hand maybe forced tomorrow to go for it from the off due to a lack of tall players.
Yes firmly believe his team selection on Tuesday was initially negative. But I think, if Madine hadnt been stupid, we would have turned the game around 2nd half with the attackers we could turn to on the bench. Tuesday tactic, before the sending off, was to still be in the game by 65-70 mins then unleash the flare.
MM’s hand maybe forced tomorrow to go for it from the off due to a lack of tall players.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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I don’t think too many are interested in getting beyond their own personal prejudice to be honest….
20togo
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Have to say, I've not heard any of his interviews whilst he's been here. Don't think I really need to either. Wherever he's been previously in his career I've always liked the way he talks. He's usually upbeat and positive and tells it as it is.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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Ok ,sorry for that ,but I have been at war with another who said I lie and talk shit basically . Which ,yes he is entitled to his opinion ,but I never purposely lie and I believe in the tosh I write. I'm sure you probably agree with some of his comments.
WIZARD OF TANGERINE
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What's wrong with you .If hoof ball stops us going down ,he has done his job. His contract is only till the end of the season. Also Alex Fergusson walked into the richest and most powerful teams at the time and still nearly fcuk it . My point is ,he was given time or do his job, do you want a new manager every week?
Matesrates
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Let’s hope his methods get results and if not he’s capable of changing tactics, or he’ll become the definition of insanity.
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hertfordseasider
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Come on then..... defend that utter shit show. He is taking us down, he is yesterdays manager, a dinosaur, no one wants to play or watch that sort of goofball any more. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Man up and admit you were wrong.
tangerinesince88
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This narrative that we have only just started hoofing it is so tedious. We have been playing that way all season, stop talking drivel to bash McCarthy
hertfordseasider
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We weren't playing that way at all under MA. I'm not comparing hoofball Mick with MA anyway, I am saying that hoofball Mick is absolutely useless and yet he was bought in to transform us, well, he hasn't and it's no surprise given his tactics. So come on, tell me why hoofball MM is the right manager, let's hear it?
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tangerinesince88
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We absolutely were hoofing it under MA. It was turgid stuff, just like now. The reality is the players aren’t good enough for this level, BUT an experienced manager like MM has a far far better chance to keep us up than MA, anyone with half a brain could tell you that.