When will dozy EFL announce Reading points deduction?

Today seems to be the deadline for several clubs as outlined by the EFL so presumably we'll find out either later tonight or tomorrow if there's been a points deduction.

The EFL are known for late night announcements so it wouldn't surprise me to see the deductions announced late tonight or tomorrow night.
 
Seemingly if Huddersfield don’t go into Administration today (surely unlikely now) any points deducted will be for next season.
So still a huge job on to stay up even if Reading take a six point hit, but at least it would bring another team into it.
 
Halifax71 said:
Unless I'm mistaken it has to be today to impact this season.

The issue to me is they have either broke the agreement or not.

If they haven't - no problem.

If they have it has to be applied this season.
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I’m not sure it’s necessarily going to be quite as simple or straightforward as you suggest.

Firstly, there needs to be a separation of the ‘historic’ overspending and the extent to which that issue has contributed to the ongoing problem… So Reading might argue that they have acted in the spirit of the agreement reached, but the legacy contracts have made it impossible. The EFL might possibly look in that situation and agree that the terms of the agreement would have been impossible to meet and that Reading have done everything possible to manage expenditure … Therefore no points deduction, despite not meeting the targets…

It’s also possible that the EFL have agreed to interim spending or transfers proposed by Reading and so whilst Reading have failed to adhere to the agreement, they have done so with the EFL’s approval… Again the EFL may view this sympathetically

It is also possible that they have breached both the agreement made with the EFL, plus new breaches, in which case it is possible that their might be a question of applying the 6 suspended points plus any additional points deduction…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure it’s necessarily going to be quite as simple or straightforward as you suggest.

Firstly, there needs to be a separation of the ‘historic’ overspending and the extent to which that issue has contributed to the ongoing problem… So Reading might argue that they have acted in the spirit of the agreement reached, but the legacy contracts have made it impossible. The EFL might possibly look in that situation and agree that the terms of the agreement would have been impossible to meet and that Reading have done everything possible to manage expenditure … Therefore no points deduction, despite not meeting the targets…

It’s also possible that the EFL have agreed to interim spending or transfers proposed by Reading and so whilst Reading have failed to adhere to the agreement, they have done so with the EFL’s approval… Again the EFL may view this sympathetically

It is also possible that they have breached both the agreement made with the EFL, plus new breaches, in which case it is possible that their might be a question of applying the 6 suspended points plus any additional points deduction…
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Personally I think it is straightforward.

They agreed to a plan, they have either breached it ot they haven't. That was the suspended points element.

Just typical EFL - the last 2 weeks have not been good for anyone, Reading included.
 
I had assumed that the EFL and Reading had agreed the deduction would be announced around the beginning of the international break.

Maybe on the basis that announcing it in a match week would give other teams a lift.

That was obviously bollocks..

We have had noises coming out of Reading for weeks on this, you begin to wonder if we are all being misled
 
Reading have signed Andy Carroll (short term contract), Shane Long (1 yr contract),Tom Ince (3 yr contract) and Steven Hendrick (season loan) this season. It would be interesting to learn how those deals fit into the financial framework as agreed with the EFL?
 
Seainsea said:
Reading have signed Andy Carroll (short term contract), Shane Long (1 yr contract),Tom Ince (3 yr contract) and Steven Hendrick (season loan) this season. It would be interesting to learn how those deals fit into the financial framework as agreed with the EFL?
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I thought they’d been under a transfer embargo since January so how did they manage to sign players if they did ?
 
Halifax71 said:
Not really - it's important to know where we stand - same with the other teams, Inc Reading.

Personally I think any team breaching the rules should be relegated - with this we're just waiting for the EFL to make a decision.
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Well, we all know the EFL and how they deal with us and to expect anything more than a bottle job from them would be foolish.
 
Ditch_the_Dino🦖_Simonized said:
Well, we all know the EFL and how they deal with us and to expect anything more than a bottle job from them would be foolish.
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This is what gets me about the EFL. If some club has broken the rules then that should be it, points deduction, but they mess about taking their time with some clubs whilst others they just seem to take a dislike to and don't help them no matter what,
 
glasshalffull said:
Seemingly if Huddersfield don’t go into Administration today (surely unlikely now) any points deducted will be for next season.
So still a huge job on to stay up even if Reading take a six point hit, but at least it would bring another team into it.
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Takeover agreed apparently at Huddersfield
 
I think if it’s a suspended points deduction it will be done this season but doesn’t have to be today. I think todays date is for new charges and breaches isn’t it ? I’m not entirely sure
 
glasshalffull said:
Seemingly if Huddersfield don’t go into Administration today (surely unlikely now) any points deducted will be for next season.
So still a huge job on to stay up even if Reading take a six point hit, but at least it would bring another team into it.
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Huddersfield owner has confirmed he will write off his £40M loan if the sale goes through and administration seems extremely unlikely now. I think Mick McCarthy was our points deduction, sorry I meant reduction.
 
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Ball on Fire said:
Huddersfield owner has confirmed he will write off his £40M loan if the sale goes through and administration seems extremely unlikely now. I think Mick McCarthy was our points deduction, sorry I meant reduction.
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Your last sentence.....ok then so what percentage of blame would you put at McCarthy's door for our current position? You seem to give him a disproportionate amount of criticism to me bearing in mind the grim situation we were in when he was appointed.
 
The rule is quite simple. The deadline has now passed. Points deductions for financial irregualrities are imposed on next season now, UNLESS THEY AFFECT THE CLUB'S LEAGUE STATUS AT THE END OF THIS SEASON.
So if a team got a 12 point deduction that would take them down, but would be safe without it, it still gets applied. But if they would be down with or without the deduction, or stay up with or without the deduction, it applies next season.

Reading is a different matter, it's a rule breach not a financial event.
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
The rule is quite simple. The deadline has now passed. Points deductions for financial irregualrities are imposed on next season now, UNLESS THEY AFFECT THE CLUB'S LEAGUE STATUS AT THE END OF THIS SEASON.
So if a team got a 12 point deduction that would take them down, but would be safe without it, it still gets applied. But if they would be down with or without the deduction, or stay up with or without the deduction, it applies next season.

Reading is a different matter, it's a rule breach not a financial event.
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So if Reading finish 5 points above the bottom 3 then the 6 point deduction is applied and they get relegated, but if they finish 7 points above then they start next season on -6?
 
FessParker said:
Your last sentence.....ok then so what percentage of blame would you put at McCarthy's door for our current position? You seem to give him a disproportionate amount of criticism to me bearing in mind the grim situation we were in when he was appointed.
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70% down to McCarthy & TC if we get relegated this season. McCarthy’s team selections, formations, tactics, substitutions and style of football are not puzzling to me they are what I expected and they have been a major factor in the position we find ourselves in now. After Appleton was sacked we had 26 points from 27 games, McCarthy was given 19 games to deliver 20 to 24 points and save us from relegation, so far Mick has delivered 9 points in 11 games, all our points have come in home games and we have missed out on opportunities to beat other struggling teams e.g. Rotherham, Huddersfield and Reading. The situation McCarthy inherited in Jan was certainly not grim, we had also signed 6 players in the Jan transfer window and 4 good players were on their way back from long term injuries. The situation is definitely grim now as Mick needs 11 to 15 points from the final 8 games to save us from relegation. More than anything I hope Mick does it but my fear is, that apart from the QPR game, we have got worse over the period since McCarthy was appointed and along the way he has had a negative effect on our more creative and flair players. After 12 games and just 2 wins I do find it very difficult to come up with anything positive to say about McCarthy, I can’t even give you examples of players who have improved under McCarthy but there are plenty of players who have gone the other way. We have lost 7 of the 12 games, Mick hasn’t even made us difficult to beat and the average number of goals conceded per game under McCarthy is higher than under Appleton. What percentage of blame would you lay at McCarthy’s door if we get relegated? What value do you think McCarthy & TC have added? What do you think are their greatest achievements so far?
 
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"70% down to McCarthy & TC if we get relegated this season - The situation McCarthy inherited in Jan was certainly not grim". Absolute horseshit. He inherited a team at rock bottom, with no confidence and no win in ages. You could've put Guardiola in the role and it still wouldn't have changed where we are. At least he's put some fight back into the team. The blame for where we are lies squarely with Appleton. No ifs, no buts. He should never have been appointed in the first place.
 
DiggersBFC said:
"70% down to McCarthy & TC if we get relegated this season - The situation McCarthy inherited in Jan was certainly not grim". Absolute horseshit. He inherited a team at rock bottom, with no confidence and no win in ages. You could've put Guardiola in the role and it still wouldn't have changed where we are. At least he's put some fight back into the team. The blame for where we are lies squarely with Appleton. No ifs, no buts. He should never have been appointed in the first place.
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Anyone who plays Bowler in midfield in a crucial game and thinks CJ is the answer to everything was doomed to fail.
I could have got more points than this idiot in charge.
He has made things worse than anyone could have imagined and he has trashed whatever confidence that was left in the squad.
 
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I thought this was a thread about points deductions..?

Anyway, seems like if they were going to be deducted they would have been yesterday?
 
Ball on Fire said:
70% down to McCarthy & TC if we get relegated this season. McCarthy’s team selections, formations, tactics, substitutions and style of football are not puzzling to me they are what I expected and they have been a major factor in the position we find ourselves in now. After Appleton was sacked we had 26 points from 27 games, McCarthy was given 19 games to deliver 20 to 24 points and save us from relegation, so far Mick has delivered 9 points in 11 games, all our points have come in home games and we have missed opportunities to beat other struggling teams e.g. Rotherham, Huddersfield and Reading. The situation McCarthy inherited in Jan was certainly not grim, we had also signed 6 players in the Jan transfer window and 4 good players were on their way back from long term injuries. The situation is definitely grim now as Mick needs 11 to 15 points from the final 8 games to save us from relegation. More than anything I hope Mick does it but my fear is, that apart from the QPR game, we have got worse over the period since McCarthy was appointed and along the way he has had a negative effect on our more creative and flair players. After 12 games and just 2 wins I do find it very difficult to come up with anything positive to say about McCarthy, I can’t even give you examples of players who have improved under McCarthy but there are plenty of players who have gone the other way. We have lost 7 of the 12 games, Mick hasn’t even made us difficult to beat and the average number of goals conceded per game under McCarthy is higher than under Appleton. What percentage of blame would you lay at McCarthy’s door if we get relegated? What value do you think McCarthy & TC have added? What do you think are their greatest achievements so far?
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Diggers has stolen part of my thunder . To say we weren't in a grim situation ( next to bottom of league , no win in 10 league games , racked with
injuries) when he was appointed just isn't facing facts. If you won't accept that then we can't have a sensible discussion. To answer your question , I would put the blame equally on the appointment of Appleton , poor player recruitment , crippling injuries and McCarthy. I do accept he is partially to blame for where we are but 70% nah. I have no idea on your second question not seeing him on the training ground every day and don't see the relevance of your last question.
That's it from me on this , we'll just go round in circles and it's too nice outside.
 
DiggersBFC said:
"70% down to McCarthy & TC if we get relegated this season - The situation McCarthy inherited in Jan was certainly not grim". Absolute horseshit. He inherited a team at rock bottom, with no confidence and no win in ages. You could've put Guardiola in the role and it still wouldn't have changed where we are. At least he's put some fight back into the team. The blame for where we are lies squarely with Appleton. No ifs, no buts. He should never have been appointed in the first place.
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Both Appleton and McCarthy are comedians and are pinching money at Championship level. If Appleton was Bob Hope, then McCarthy is No Hope. When McCarthy’s agent phoned him and mentioned a Championship Manager opportunity, I am beginning to think Mick thought he was referring to a computer game of the same name. Mick was totally unprepared and completely unready for the challenges of the Blackpool job and at no time under his management have we had any momentum. Rather than focussing on just putting fight back in the team I would prefer McCarthy to have put some skill and flair back in the team. McCarthy until very recently kept sending out a team of journeymen who work hard and then he expects them to get results in the Championship. McCarthy inherited Appleton’s injury hit and suspension weakened squad plus 6 new signings in the Jan transfer window plus 4 good players returning from long term injuries. I am 100% sure if Appleton was still in the job now we would have more points on the board than we do now and have a better chance of avoiding relegation.
 
FessParker said:
Diggers has stolen part of my thunder . To say we weren't in a grim situation ( next to bottom of league , no win in 10 league games , racked with
injuries) when he was appointed just isn't facing facts. If you won't accept that then we can't have a sensible discussion. To answer your question , I would put the blame equally on the appointment of Appleton , poor player recruitment , crippling injuries and McCarthy. I do accept he is partially to blame for where we are but 70% nah. I have no idea on your second question not seeing him on the training ground every day and don't see the relevance of your last question.
That's it from me on this , we'll just go round in circles and it's too nice outside.
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I apologise for asking two difficult questions, hope it helps I couldn’t answer them either, Enjoy the rest of your day, Mick and TC are sat on deckchairs on Lytham Green outside the Clifton Arms hotel you should join them and get an insight into their latest thoughts on the Preston game.
 
Weirdly according to the Reading fans site (post below) this could drag on until June 30 and so worth us fighting right to the end as long as Reading aren't more than 6 points ahead of us.

So is there an in-season deadline or could this "will they"/"won't they" saga drag on until 30 June?
(This is the date sprinkled throughout the decision document - https://www.efl.com/contentassets/065e2 ... cation.pdf )
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
The rule is quite simple. The deadline has now passed. Points deductions for financial irregualrities are imposed on next season now, UNLESS THEY AFFECT THE CLUB'S LEAGUE STATUS AT THE END OF THIS SEASON.
So if a team got a 12 point deduction that would take them down, but would be safe without it, it still gets applied. But if they would be down with or without the deduction, or stay up with or without the deduction, it applies next season.

Reading is a different matter, it's a rule breach not a financial event.
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Reading are looking at the imposition of a suspended penalty, so no deadline.
 
Thanks for the explanation, this makes sense, however, in fairness to Reading and all the other clubs in and around the bottom the EFL should make an announcement asap so everyone knows where they stand! You would have thought!!
 
The Catcher in the Rye said:
Thanks for the explanation, this makes sense, however, in fairness to Reading and all the other clubs in and around the bottom the EFL should make an announcement asap so everyone knows where they stand! You would have thought!!
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There's a logic shield around Preston.
 
Matesrates said:
Let’s hope it’s this season
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Yes & let's hope it's 12!
Let's also hope that Wigan get more points deducted for recently not paying the players wages & at least 1 other team follow suit.
Also, that Cardiff have to replay a full game at Rothers & lose, & finally, that we can go on a winning run ...... then just maybe we'll stand a chance of surviving the trapdoor 🤣
 
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