Where do YOU come from?

the part that I recognise is it's being said by an 83 year old who no doubt has little concept about how fast the world is changing and what you can and can't say. Like I said it's your side of the fence that has a problem. You go looking for problems where there aren't any! Why? Because it's people like you who are intolerant and unable to accept things for what they are. And that many people of a certain age simply are not aware of what you can and can't say in todays society.
Whereas your side is happy to come up with any old excuse rather than challenging unacceptable behaviour.

I'm not that much younger than her and neither are you, yet I know you wouldn't say anything like that. Age is no excuse.
 
Whereas your side is happy to come up with any old excuse rather than challenging unacceptable behaviour.

I'm not that much younger than her and neither are you, yet I know you wouldn't say anything like that. Age is no excuse.
rs oOf course age is an excuse. And she's 20 years older than us two. A different generation, She was wrong, she's out of touch but you are only looking for an excuse to point the racism finger. It's because what people on your side of the argument look to do. You get pleasure out of doing it. Like i said, it's your intolerance.
 
rs oOf course age is an excuse. And she's 20 years older than us two. A different generation, She was wrong, she's out of touch but you are only looking for an excuse to point the racism finger. It's because what people on your side of the argument look to do. You get pleasure out of doing it. Like i said, it's your intolerance.
Oh the irony. Supporting racist behaviour is tolerance, calling it out is intolerance.
 
the part that I recognise is it's being said by an 83 year old who no doubt has little concept about how fast the world is changing and what you can and can't say. Like I said it's your side of the fence that has a problem. You go looking for problems where there aren't any! Why? Because it's people like you who are intolerant and unable to accept things for what they are. And that many people of a certain age simply are not aware of what you can and can't say in todays society.
She's in a very privileged position and knows full well what the current climate is like. She would have been briefed on it.
 
Oh the irony. Supporting racist behaviour is tolerance, calling it out is intolerance.
I'm not supporting racism at all. It's you that is intolerant because you are unable to accept that people can ask questions without a motive being involved. It's people like you who because of your intolerance want to carry out a witch hunt on an 83 year old woman who let's face it, no-one would have known her name before and is pretty much no harm to anybody. But people like you have got to have your pound of flesh because you think your view of the world is oh so right. Like I said intolerant. Often, people like our parents of that age views were different to the world that is today but you can't grasp that fact. And you just want to pile in with your holier than thou attitude. It stinks of intolerance.
 
I'm not supporting racism at all. It's you that is intolerant because you are unable to accept that people can ask questions without a motive being involved. It's people like you who because of your intolerance want to carry out a witch hunt on an 83 year old woman who let's face it, no-one would have known her name before and is pretty much no harm to anybody. But people like you have got to have your pound of flesh because you think your view of the world is oh so right. Like I said intolerant.
It was the way she pushed and pushed it.

As I said, if she'd said to you, where are you from, and you said Blackpool, she wouldn't turn round and say but where are your people from?

Age isn't an excuse. It's pig ignorance at best.
 
She's in a very privileged position and knows full well what the current climate is like. She would have been briefed on it.
Hang on a mo, it's people like you who accuse the royals of not living in the real world. She is closely linked to them so you can't have it both ways.
 
It was the way she pushed and pushed it.

As I said, if she'd said to you, where are you from, and you said Blackpool, she wouldn't turn round and say but where are your people from?

Age isn't an excuse. It's pig ignorance at best.
Like I first said show me the transcript. You are basing everything on one side of the story as being an accurate account. And it's nothing to do with pig ignorance as I've said, it's about a generational thing and she is 83. And let's face it, is this woman in it for anything other than the publicity. You clearly think she's completely blameless in all she's said and her actions. Gullible.
 
Like I first said show me the transcript. You are basing everything on one side of the story as being an accurate account. And it's nothing to do with pig ignorance as I've said, it's about a generational thing and she is 83. And let's face it, is this woman in it for anything other than the publicity. You clearly think she's completely blameless in all she's said and her actions. Gullible.
Nobody else has claimed the transcript might not be true or at least broadly correct. William has apologised and Lady Hussey has resigned, so I think it’s fair to say that Fulani’s version of events is an accurate one.
 
I once asked an Asian lad where he was from… and he replied “England” and gave me a bit of a look… I replied no ‘Where about do you come from’ he said “** England Mate, I was born here”

I apologised and said sorry mate … “I thought you sounded like you came from somewhere in East Lancs, based on your accent…. I live up near that way”
 
I've seen more racism on this board towards Scots and Welsh than anything the silly old fool said to a women who dresses as an African princess
 
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It was wrong, but the overreaction by the media is equally wrong, but of course they love it. Her reply saying “I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records“ was strange, that implied that she wasn’t born here. I also think she could have dealt with this quietly without going public.
I think she meant the slave traders who kidnapped her ancestors didn’t keep any records.
 
I think she meant the slave traders who kidnapped her ancestors didn’t keep any records.
Maybe, but an 83 year old Hussey might not have understood that. I mean, how long does this have to go on for? Let’s go back to the Romans and Ghengis Khan, who had slaves, maybe some were my ancestors.
 
Regardless of the debate of the racism, conversational gambits like the one being discussed here are designed to establish superiority and to put the person being questioned in their place (perceived place).
It's equivalent to 'where did you go to school?' that perhaps would have been directed at a white person in a similar situation.
Another example, is Rees-Mogg who has a habit of correcting the English of interviewers - again designed to belittle and establish superiority. The class system is alive and well and it's pinnacle is the Royal household.

Given that the woman was a guest it is a rather strange way to treat somebody.
 
Maybe, but an 83 year old Hussey might not have understood that. I mean, how long does this have to go on for? Let’s go back to the Romans and Ghengis Khan, who had slaves, maybe some were my ancestors.
What’s her age for to do with it? Sounds a bit ageist to me.

As for your comment about the Romans well that’s just silly. That’s getting on for a couple of millennia ago and I shouldn’t think there’s anyone alive now who could say “Yep. My ancestors were definitely Roman slaves”.

By contrast the slave trade from Africa to the Caribbean wasn’t that long ago. My grandads (both of whom I met) were born in the 1880s so there would have been people alive then who’d been slaves or involved in the slave trade. There are elderly black people alive now who know for a fact their great grandparents were slaves.

Now I know some people will say “yeah but the working class in this country” had shit lives too, which would be right. But that’s a different issue and certainly doesn’t mean black people can’t or shouldn’t talk about their own histories.
 
What’s her age for to do with it? Sounds a bit ageist to me.

As for your comment about the Romans well that’s just silly. That’s getting on for a couple of millennia ago and I shouldn’t think there’s anyone alive now who could say “Yep. My ancestors were definitely Roman slaves”.

By contrast the slave trade from Africa to the Caribbean wasn’t that long ago. My grandads (both of whom I met) were born in the 1880s so there would have been people alive then who’d been slaves or involved in the slave trade. There are elderly black people alive now who know for a fact their great grandparents were slaves.

Now I know some people will say “yeah but the working class in this country” had shit lives too, which would be right. But that’s a different issue and certainly doesn’t mean black people can’t or shouldn’t talk about their own histories.
But seem to forget that black people sold other black people into the slave trade

It wasn't just white people
 
I’ve asked Asian colleagues what their heritage is before and never had any problems. It’s quite easy to show that you’re just interested in their background rather than suggesting that they aren’t English, British or whatever they happen to be.

This lady was clumsy, whether she meant it to be hurtful we’ll never know but it seems to be a habit of people of a certain age from my experience and I am a little more forgiving of older generations when it comes to this sort of thing. I’m not saying it’s right and she was certainly in the wrong but I can see why some from older generations might be more inclined to act in this way.
 
I’ve asked Asian colleagues what their heritage is before and never had any problems. It’s quite easy to show that you’re just interested in their background rather than suggesting that they aren’t English, British or whatever they happen to be.

This lady was clumsy, whether she meant it to be hurtful we’ll never know but it seems to be a habit of people of a certain age from my experience and I am a little more forgiving of older generations when it comes to this sort of thing. I’m not saying it’s right and she was certainly in the wrong but I can see why some from older generations might be more inclined to act in this way.
Yep I agree with that

I've also asked many colleagues over the years the same sort of question

No problem
 
It's not a big deal though is it

Where do you come from?

"England"

Where do you really come from, where are you from originally?

"Oh Africa"

Job done ✔
Except that (intended or not) the message that can be delivered is “Oh so you’re not really British then”.

Remember it’s only a few years since the Windrush scandal so it’s hardly surprising if Brits of Afro Caribbean heritage feel a bit touchy.
 
I’ve asked Asian colleagues what their heritage is before and never had any problems. It’s quite easy to show that you’re just interested in their background rather than suggesting that they aren’t English, British or whatever they happen to be.

This lady was clumsy, whether she meant it to be hurtful we’ll never know but it seems to be a habit of people of a certain age from my experience and I am a little more forgiving of older generations when it comes to this sort of thing. I’m not saying it’s right and she was certainly in the wrong but I can see why some from older generations might be more inclined to act in this way.
We’ve got an elderly relative who’s like that but whenever she crosses a line her daughter is quick to pull her up and tell her it’s not acceptable. Nasty is nasty and I don’t see why the old think they should get a free pass.
 
I don’t think that’s been forgotten.

And if it is there’s always a white person who’ll happily remind them.
I have no idea why you would even bring the slave trade into this discussion unless of course you think the slave trade was just a white problem and have tried to use untruths to make a point

I'm confused 😕
 
We’ve got an elderly relative who’s like that but whenever she crosses a line her daughter is quick to pull her up and tell her it’s not acceptable. Nasty is nasty and I don’t see why the old think they should get a free pass.
At least you acknowledge that some older people who are "like that". We have an 88 yr old relative and we tell him you can't say things like that any more. The woman was wrong and she has quit her job/resigned or whatever. I'd guess she was just tring to make converstion and asking about her roots and history but she went about it the wrong way but also not being helped by some-one who knew full well what she was doing and was perhaps deliberately being evasive. She could if she wanted could have cut of the line of questioning straight away if she felt uncomfortable but clearly chose not to. Why was that? Because she had an opportunity for her so to speak 15 minutes of fame. I think it's said above that the organisation which she set up or worked for said it was for Caribbean women so I think it reasonable to say she should have known what the LIW was getting at but chose to play ignorant.

It's become a witch hunt and no doubt some on here would be happy for her to be charged with a hate crime.
 
We’ve got an elderly relative who’s like that but whenever she crosses a line her daughter is quick to pull her up and tell her it’s not acceptable. Nasty is nasty and I don’t see why the old think they should get a free pass.
I can only go from my own experiences but with my family it has come from a place of ignorance or lack of exposure rather than actual hatred of anyone.
 
At least you acknowledge that some older people who are "like that". We have an 88 yr old relative and we tell him you can't say things like that any more. The woman was wrong and she has quit her job/resigned or whatever. I'd guess she was just tring to make converstion and asking about her roots and history but she went about it the wrong way but also not being helped by some-one who knew full well what she was doing and was perhaps deliberately being evasive. She could if she wanted could have cut of the line of questioning straight away if she felt uncomfortable but clearly chose not to. Why was that? Because she had an opportunity for her so to speak 15 minutes of fame. I think it's said above that the organisation which she set up or worked for said it was for Caribbean women so I think it reasonable to say she should have known what the LIW was getting at but chose to play ignorant.

It's become a witch hunt and no doubt some on here would be happy for her to be charged with a hate crime.
It really is a non story

I don't even know who these women are, it's bizarre that so many people who also probably don't know who they are, are getting so upset about things

Guess it's the world we live in
 
Based on her agenda (see the charity mission statement) she should have been red flagged by palace officials. Best thing to do is just not engage in conversation - clearly taping a conversation and this fallout proves that.
 
Based on her agenda (see the charity mission statement) she should have been red flagged by palace officials. Best thing to do is just not engage in conversation - clearly taping a conversation and this fallout proves that.
do we know for sure it was recorded and if so by whom?
 
The speed with which the Royal household potted her tells you what they thought about it. At best, it was a class issue, with someone from the 'upper' classes being tactless and offensive - at worst, it had racist undertones. I think as Lala pointed out, the way she moved her hair out of the way, and the constant questioning showed her attitude and thoughts.

On the flipside, another big issue I think is the cancel culture and the immediate vilification of anyone who is not up to speed with current culture and values. Apologies are no longer accepted, and it seems these people aren't then educated in what they have done/said that's caused offence.
At her age, she's a dinosaur in a modern culture where values have shifted. Thinking back, Prince Philip always had a fine-line in racist comments over the years, but was lucky enough to live in a time without social media, and headlines were tomorrow's fish and chip wrappers.
Edit to add, people actively trying to get reactions like this and get a story out on social media don't do any favours to causes either.
 
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do we know for sure it was recorded and if so by whom?
If not she has a good memory, either way maybe Ngozi could have replied along the lines of being born here but her parents were part of the windrush generation. That's how a normal conversation would go.

Anyhow, she's resigned and this woman has her 15 mins of fame again - clearly accusing the royal family of domestic abuse wasn't enough for her.
 
Nobody else has claimed the transcript might not be true or at least broadly correct. William has apologised and Lady Hussey has resigned, so I think it’s fair to say that Fulani’s version of events is an accurate one.
Of course it's "broadly" correct and is why she has resigned. But my point remains that although it may be broadly correct it can also be about the tone and how she asked the questions. And with that in mind it could be how she recalled the conversation and phrased it for effect to make an issue of it.
 
If not she has a good memory, either way maybe Ngozi could have replied along the lines of being born here but her parents were part of the windrush generation. That's how a normal conversation would go.

Anyhow, she's resigned and this woman has her 15 mins of fame again - clearly accusing the royal family of domestic abuse wasn't enough for her.
yeah agree, see my last post.
 
Maybe, but an 83 year old Hussey might not have understood that. I mean, how long does this have to go on for? Let’s go back to the Romans and Ghengis Khan, who had slaves, maybe some were my ancestors.
All very well.

But what did the Romans ever do for us?
 
the part that I recognise is it's being said by an 83 year old who no doubt has little concept about how fast the world is changing and what you can and can't say. Like I said it's your side of the fence that has a problem. You go looking for problems where there aren't any! Why? Because it's people like you who are intolerant and unable to accept things for what they are. And that many people of a certain age simply are not aware of what you can and can't say in todays society.
I'm not one of them. 😉
I'm 4 years older than her, but I've still got all my faculties in working order.
Notice I didn't say .organs'. 🤨
 
I have just realised what the reporting of Susan Hussey’s interrogation of Ngozi Furali reminds me of...

It is like the continual drone from some right wingers (like Bozo) about the need for everyone to be issued with an Identity Card that confirms UK citizenship and which “proves” one rights to the benefits of our society such as being eligible to vote and for our NHS. Of course, allied to this legislation would be the right for the police to stop anyone in the street and demand to see their “papers” to see where they come from.
 
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I wish someone would question whether I was from this country. It's embarrassing on the whole.

Does anyone care too much what an ignorant addled old duffer like this says?
 
Must admit, if I asked someone where they came from and the answer was “space” it would warrant a follow-up question 😁
 
Like I first said show me the transcript. You are basing everything on one side of the story as being an accurate account. And it's nothing to do with pig ignorance as I've said, it's about a generational thing and she is 83. And let's face it, is this woman in it for anything other than the publicity. You clearly think she's completely blameless in all she's said and her actions. Gullible.
The transcript was posted earlier and I've heard the recording which is accurate to the transcript
 
The transcript was posted earlier and I've heard the recording which is accurate to the transcript
who recorded it and for what purpose? If you've heard it, it must be available to hear on line, but can't find it.
 
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The conversation with me would have been a lot worse.

Me: Where are you from?
Her: London innit.
Me: Well what are your roots given your African name?
Her: I'm not from Africa, I'm from London.
Me: Unlucky, what's with the name then and why are you cosplaying as an African?
Her: You racist ba... so and so.
Me: I'm from Blackpool but was born in Ireland now it's your go.
Her: Mumble Mumble...
Me Oh your parents are of Caribbean descent Why didn't you say so, it's be funny if you were christened something like Marlene.
Her: Mumble mumble...
Me: Oh you were jolly good. Why do you discriminate against mixed race women being allowed to use your publically funded refuges?
Her Mumble mumble...
Me: Why did you have recording equipment on your person were you looking for trouble?
Her Mumble Mumble racist..
Me: Did you know every African culture respects their elders even though you're British of Caribbean descent? And why can't you answer a politely asked (at first) question? Ect.

Sorry I'm through with utter planks taking professional umbrage and manufacturing division to boost their own over inflated egos and entirely bogus 'roots'. Do one.

I may have to surrender my official position as AVFTT Liberal in chief.
 
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