Will The New Manager be Announced This Week?

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HodderSeasider

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The retained list has to be submitted by the 20th, so surely only the manager can make those decisions?
Alan Nixon (The Boss of Goss) was asked today "Who's the front runner for the Blackpool job Alan?"
His reply " Spoken to so many-time to decide soon surely".
 
HodderSeasider said:
The retained list has to be submitted by the 20th, so surely only the manager can make those decisions?
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Not necessarily, I think it's pretty obvious:

Release:
  • Maxwell;
  • Bridcutt;
  • Stewart;
  • Madine;
  • Lubala;
  • Garbutt.
Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
Plus whatever's needed in the development/youth squads.
 
HodderSeasider said:
The retained list has to be submitted by the 20th, so surely only the manager can make those decisions?
Alan Nixon (The Boss of Goss) was asked today "Who's the front runner for the Blackpool job Alan?"
His reply " Spoken to so many-time to decide soon surely".
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I suspect we will get the announcement of the Sporting Director and Manager/Coach within a few days of each other this week or next. SS announced a new Sporting Director had been appointed two weeks ago (3 May) - if you assume that appointment was done mid to late April and he has to do a month/4 weeks notice then in ties in the week he will be available for us this week. It also would not surprise me if we have already appointed a Manager/Coach but are keeping it quiet to sequence the appointments. Then you tie in the release/retain list having to be published by the end of the week and it makes you think this week is (hopefully) is when we will get both appointments.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not necessarily, I think it's pretty obvious:

Release:
  • Maxwell;
  • Bridcutt;
  • Stewart;
  • Madine;
  • Lubala;
  • Garbutt.
Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
Plus whatever's needed in the development/youth squads.
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That is your opinion and on the whole I tend to agree with it, but the manager may have a very different opinion!
 
Seasidedaz said:
I suspect we will get the announcement of the Sporting Director and Manager/Coach within a few days of each other this week or next. SS announced a new Sporting Director had been appointed two weeks ago (3 May) - if you assume that appointment was done mid to late April and he has to do a month/4 weeks notice then in ties in the week he will be available for us this week. It also would not surprise me if we have already appointed a Manager/Coach but are keeping it quiet to sequence the appointments. Then you tie in the release/retain list having to be published by the end of the week and it makes you think this week is (hopefully) is when we will get both appointments.
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I still cannot get my head round why the Sporting Director has to be announced ahead of the manager announcement. Talks with prospective managers have already taken place without the input of the Sporting Director, who we assume is employed elsewhere as we speak, and could not get involved until he has officially left his current employment.
 
HodderSeasider said:
I still cannot get my head round why the Sporting Director has to be announced ahead of the manager announcement. Talks with prospective managers have already taken place without the input of the Sporting Director, who we assume is employed elsewhere as we speak, and could not get involved until he has officially left his current employment.
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He will not be involved officially but you would imagine he knows exactly what is going on/who will get it - even had some unofficial input. I think it’s a hierarchical/presentational thing. Sporting Director Is a boardroom position and in any business you are always going to appoint a director before a managerial level appointment.
 
HodderSeasider said:
That is your opinion and on the whole I tend to agree with it, but the manager may have a very different opinion!
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Two points:
  1. we don't have a manager;
  2. whoever we appoint has likely never seen the players play live, so to a large extent his opinion is worthless anyway.
I'd much rather the existing staff made the decision and took the time to get the right manager in, instead of rushing to appoint a manager on the off-chance that he wants to keep Bridcutt and Stewart.
 
tangible said:
What about Debbie? I've heard her name mentioned a few times.
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If Sadler has learned from Apples he won’t appoint Quitchley as he will massively split the fan base, Dobbie is a strong choice and would be welcomed by the vast majority of the fan base. Bowyer is not being considered and Holloway would be a utter disaster - he was rank at Grimsby with decent resources and many of their fans blame him for their relegation to the National League - equally he would split that fanbase with his Oyston views. For me it’s either Dobbie or a complete new face but whatever way they go it needs to happen and bloody soon
 
Woildn’t take up the option on Dougall or Husband and definitely not offer a new contract to Keshi - that said, numbers are few and time is at a premium and so maybe they’ll stick with what they know.

Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
 
JerryYatesShirt said:
Woildn’t take up the option on Dougall or Husband and definitely not offer a new contract to Keshi - that said, numbers are few and time is at a premium and so maybe they’ll stick with what they know.
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Dougall's played >2,600 minutes this season, you'd have to be mad not to take up the option on him, Husband has played > 2,300 minutes and covers a couple of positions, more than good enough for L1.

Keshi, perhaps more marginal, but a fine player and if fit excellent at L1 level.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not necessarily, I think it's pretty obvious:

Release:
  • Maxwell;
  • Bridcutt;
  • Stewart;
  • Madine;
  • Lubala;
  • Garbutt.
Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
Plus whatever's needed in the development/youth squads.
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I don’t think Dougall will be retained, but I hope Lavery and CJ are
 
Lost Seasider said:
Two points:
  1. we don't have a manager;
  2. whoever we appoint has likely never seen the players play live, so to a large extent his opinion is worthless anyway.
I'd much rather the existing staff made the decision and took the time to get the right manager in, instead of rushing to appoint a manager on the off-chance that he wants to keep Bridcutt and Stewart.
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If that is the case, why last summer were no signings made until Appleton was in place, because we were told he would want his say on players coming in.
Surely the same must apply to players leaving the club and whether the new manager rates them or not. Any manager worth is salt will know pretty much all there is to know about our first team squad players.
 
HodderSeasider said:
If that is the case, why last summer were no signings made until Appleton was in place, because we were told he would want his say on players coming in.
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Appleton was in place on 17 June, the transfer window doesn't open until 1 July, and the first signing wasn't until the 25th, so whatever "we" were told, the lack of signings wasn't down to waiting for Appleton.


HodderSeasider said:
Surely the same must apply to players leaving the club and whether the new manager rates them or not.
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Ideally, but it's not a must.


HodderSeasider said:
Any manager worth is salt will know pretty much all there is to know about our first team squad players.
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Do you really think the likes of Ramsay, Wellens, Wild etc are keeping track of the likes of Kenny Dougall? Of course they're not.

Any manager worth his salt will trust the judgement of the people already at the club ahead of his opinion on players he has never seen play.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Appleton was in place on 17 June, the transfer window doesn't open until 1 July, and the first signing wasn't until the 25th, so whatever "we" were told, the lack of signings wasn't down to waiting for Appleton.




Ideally, but it's not a must.




Do you really think the likes of Ramsay, Wellens, Wild etc are keeping track of the likes of Kenny Dougall? Of course they're not.

Any manager worth his salt will trust the judgement of the people already at the club ahead of his opinion on players he has never seen play.
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So Wild didn't come to watch us prior to our cup game with Barrow, I think not!
The reason we didn't make our first signing until the 25th was because we missed out on so many of our original targets waiting for Appleton's appointment. The transfer window may officially open on 1st July, but many deals are made well before this date.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Appleton was in place on 17 June, the transfer window doesn't open until 1 July, and the first signing wasn't until the 25th, so whatever "we" were told, the lack of signings wasn't down to waiting for Appleton.




Ideally, but it's not a must.




Do you really think the likes of Ramsay, Wellens, Wild etc are keeping track of the likes of Kenny Dougall? Of course they're not.

Any manager worth his salt will trust the judgement of the people already at the club ahead of his opinion on players he has never seen play.
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But he still had to assess the squad before knowing what was needed.

Bringing in a load of new lads without assessing fairly what he had would have lost him some of the dressing room from day 1.

As for our retain list its due this Sat someone said? If so who's deceding?

Even if there's a new guy in tomorrow he's got nothing to assess the players off, bar videos, unless it's Dobbie or someone else deciding.

If it is Dobbie then he's deciding who's here for another manager, unless it's him who's manager, but then then Dobbie may have released players not useful to him, but to the new manager.

Doesn't sound ideal unless Dobbies manager.
 
JJpool said:
But he still had to assess the squad before knowing what was needed.

Bringing in a load of new lads without assessing fairly what he had would have lost him some of the dressing room from day 1.
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Did we not have a director of recruitment at the time? The assessment was most likely a conversation with him about the players, and probably a review of whatever records the club keeps on the players.

Any new manager isn't going to want to wait until pre-season is underway before starting recruitment, in fact our best recruitment in recent seasons was the group that came in on 1 July 2021, who'd all been agreed in June.


JJpool said:
As for our retain list its due this Sat someone said? If so who's deceding?
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To be honest, there's been so many comings and goings recently, I've lost track of what backroom staff the club has.

As a last resort, Saddler, in consulation with Dobbie.

Also, where does this Saturday deadline come from?


JJpool said:
If it is Dobbie then he's deciding who's here for another manager, unless it's him who's manager, but then then Dobbie may have released players not useful to him, but to the new manager.

Doesn't sound ideal unless Dobbies manager.
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The decisions seem to be pretty clear-cut, release the players who've not played, exercise the options on the players who have played, for the out of contract players, we can start negotiations, but presumably drag them out long enough so that the new manager can have the final say.

If we end up with one or two the new manager doesn't fancy, we can presumably loan them out elsewhere and recover most if not all of the wages.

The only real question is whether to release Maxwell, both he and Grimshaw are on fairly hefty wages, unless the club expects the latter to leave, then having either on the bench is an expensive luxury in L1, and not IMO a sensible use of money.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Not necessarily, I think it's pretty obvious:

Release:
  • Maxwell;
  • Bridcutt;
  • Stewart;
  • Madine;
  • Lubala;
  • Garbutt.
Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
Plus whatever's needed in the development/youth squads.
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Pretty much spot on for what I'd go with, if Thornily doesn't want to stay, I'd be happy with trying for Nelson.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
We’ve known for 5 months that a new Mgr was needed by this point. And only two scenarios to cover. We should be acting by now.
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Yep - starting to be a familiar pattern. No news, no communications, delayed appointments, missing out on smart signings.
Once is understandable, twice is careless - is this the 3rd time? (Feels like the 5th).
Why can't the club re-assure supporters that they are actively working on this at every waking moment.
Feels like they're all on holiday.
 
JerryYatesShirt said:
Woildn’t take up the option on Dougall or Husband and definitely not offer a new contract to Keshi - that said, numbers are few and time is at a premium and so maybe they’ll stick with what they know.

Exercise option:
  • Husband;
  • Connolly;
  • Dougall;
  • Lavery;
  • Hamilton (if he has one, otherwise next category).
Offer new contract:
  • Moore;
  • Thorniley;
  • Anderson.
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Husband I definitely would, and Keshi would be one of my top priorities. Unfortunately I don't think he will stay though.
 
Vince McLean said:
Yep - starting to be a familiar pattern. No news, no communications, delayed appointments, missing out on smart signings.
Once is understandable, twice is careless - is this the 3rd time? (Feels like the 5th).
Why can't the club re-assure supporters that they are actively working on this at every waking moment.
Feels like they're all on holiday.
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It may be about getting ducks lined up and firming things up. Maybe a shortlist of 3 candidates or something for final selection when the new sporting director is in post? Perhaps a determination not to repeat last season's selection process fail. Things don't need to be announced at every step of the way. It's only May 16th. Hopefully key things in place in the next week or two.
 
They've already said they're waiting for the Sporting Director to be announced before announcing a manager haven't they? So if it's going to be Mr Downes as widely reported, then it's unlikely this will be before The Massive have been knocked out of the playoffs on Thursday night, though it's possible he has been consulted in the background on various topics etc.. Hopefully, then things will start rolling pretty quickly.
 
rikanio said:
They've already said they're waiting for the Sporting Director to be announced before announcing a manager haven't they? So if it's going to be Mr Downes as widely reported, then it's unlikely this will be before The Massive have been knocked out of the playoffs on Thursday night, though it's possible he has been consulted in the background on various topics etc.. Hopefully, then things will start rolling pretty quickly.
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This is exactly what I thought and if that is the case, a few on here and social media owe Sadler an apology. I'm sure once the Sporting Director is in place, we'll see a speedy appointment for the managers position.
 
voyeur said:
It may be about getting ducks lined up and firming things up. Maybe a shortlist of 3 candidates or something for final selection when the new sporting director is in post? Perhaps a determination not to repeat last season's selection process fail. Things don't need to be announced at every step of the way. It's only May 16th. Hopefully key things in place in the next week or two.
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Too true - but would it hurt for the club to say that it "was making progress in the selection of a new manager, and in an attempt to make the right decision, they are interviewing several high calibre candidates over the next week and expect to make an appointment well before month end"?
That way we all relax and get off their backs.
 
Seaseaseasider said:
It is hard to sell the project to players without a manager in place.
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Players know that any manager could be gone in 3 months, so I don't think they're too hung up on the manager, the bigger factors will be wages, training and playing facilities, and the general trajectory of the club.

In any event, deals don't tend to get finalized until the end of June earliest, and we don't need a manager in place to start exploratory talks.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Players know that any manager could be gone in 3 months, so I don't think they're too hung up on the manager, the bigger factors will be wages, training and playing facilities, and the general trajectory of the club.

In any event, deals don't tend to get finalized until the end of June earliest, and we don't need a manager in place to start exploratory talks.
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Players like to go to a club with a manager in place. Someone who will tell them how they fit into their plans, what their playing style will be and what they want to achieve together.

Compare that to a situation where you have no idea who your manager will be or what his style of football is and whether the manager will even fancy you? It would be extremely hard to sign any player in that situation. Especially any player who is half decent with more than one club after him.

With seasons ending now and contracts expiring, these conversations will already be taking place. Brighton, who are one of the best at recruitment, have already lined up about three deals for example. The sooner we can get the ball rolling, the better.
 
rikanio said:
They've already said they're waiting for the Sporting Director to be announced before announcing a manager haven't they? So if it's going to be Mr Downes as widely reported, then it's unlikely this will be before The Massive have been knocked out of the playoffs on Thursday night, though it's possible he has been consulted in the background on various topics etc.. Hopefully, then things will start rolling pretty quickly.
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If the Sporting Director has been sorted than I don't really understand why they can't announce the manager.
 
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