Wimbledon v Blackpool Official Matchnight Thread 27.10.20

we have to give him longer, he deserves that but he needs to be aware the clock is ticking.
I discussed earlier in the season with Voy about this seasons front three compared to last seasons. Voy rated this seasons better. It most clearly isn't. Now where does the blame [don't like that word] lie because of that?

The forwards found a way to score goals last season, mainly Feeney to Grand's, but there was little else. I thought we looked best last season with a front 2 of Grand's and the Fonz with Kaikai interchanging with the Fonz, but we hardly played that. I think there is potential in the players we have, I just don't think the tactics are right. We need to give NC time to get it right, but how long you give him is something I can't answer.
 
Yes 🤔third rate players crazy signings all everyone on here has to do is Google Wikipedia and look at players stats its there for all to see in black and white.

Yes, the players he's brought in are more than good enough at this level if well coached.

Garbutt, Robson, and Mitchell were all chased after by promotion challenging teams.

Hamilton and Kaikai are more than good enough at this level. Madine, Ward, Dougall, and Woodburn all have experience in the Championship.

Just because the team is playing like shit doesn't mean that they aren't good enough at this level. They absolutely are, the poor form is 100% down to the way Critchley is coaching the team.
Well ok but from the start of the season iv been saying where are the goals going to come from ??
Dougall hasn't even played so what do you base your opinion on ??
And his stats say he doesn't score goals from midfield either ??
 
The forwards found a way to score goals last season, mainly Feeney to Grand's, but there was little else. I thought we looked best last season with a front 2 of Grand's and the Fonz with Kaikai interchanging with the Fonz, but we hardly played that. I think there is potential in the players we have, I just don't think the tactics are right. We need to give NC time to get it right, but how long you give him is something I can't answer.
Feeney crosses to Gnanduillet. GOAL. Simple but effective. What's so wrong about that?
 
I suggest you go on Wiki and look at their career records, they don't make good reading. If that doesn't change your mind then I fear for your sanity.
Who else would you have brought in mate?

It's impossible to just poach the best players in this division, because no one will sell to us so clubs like us have to invest in players with lots of potential from the division below who want to play a level up. We've done that as well as bring in players with Championship pedigrees.

Sure, we've missed on a few, but overall the recruitment has been great for our level. The fanbase was over the moon with most of the recent signings because the players had (and still do have) great potential.

It hasn't worked out so far, but it is absolutely a management problem not a talent problem.
 
I know it Doesn’t help us but as when we were down to 10 against charlton and 9 again tonight the players definitely seem to work their nuts off for each other. If for once we could just get our noses in front I would love to see how control a game with 2 goal cushion.
Don't hold your breath.................I'm not to optimistic about the Eastbourne fixture either.
 
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Well ok but from the start of the season iv been saying where are the goals going to come from ??
Dougall hasn't even played so what do you base your opinion on ??
And his stats say he doesn't score goals from midfield either ??

Dougall was the best player on a League 1 promotion winning Barnsley side.

Goal scoring and chance creation are our biggest problems, but I don't think it's because we don't have the players to create chances or score, I think it's down to the manager.

If we sack Critchley, bring in another manager with more experience and it still doesn't pan out then I'll hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong and that the players weren't good enough quality.
 
The forwards found a way to score goals last season, mainly Feeney to Grand's, but there was little else. I thought we looked best last season with a front 2 of Grand's and the Fonz with Kaikai interchanging with the Fonz, but we hardly played that. I think there is potential in the players we have, I just don't think the tactics are right. We need to give NC time to get it right, but how long you give him is something I can't answer.
The problem with giving him time is how long do you give him. Most sensible posters can see where it’s going wrong, but Critchley apparently can’t or won’t concede his ideas aren’t working and try a different approach. As the old saying goes there are none so blind as they who will not see.
 
Feeney crosses to Gnanduillet. GOAL. Simple but effective. What's so wrong about that?
Gnanduillet was a lot better than a lot of our fans thought very effective in L1.
It's been said he was all about crosses into the box but there were a few goals where he actually started the move off in our box and he finished the move off with a goal.
 
Because it is all we had and the team were boring and one dimensional. It wasn't going to happen again, particularly as Grand's wanted out anyway. We all see things differently and I wouldn't want to go back to that team.
well, we can't go back to that team but call me pedantic but I was simply making the point that the front three then was better than the front three now.
 
Who else would you have brought in mate?

It's impossible to just poach the best players in this division, because no one will sell to us so clubs like us have to invest in players with lots of potential from the division below who want to play a level up. We've done that as well as bring in players with Championship pedigrees.

Sure, we've missed on a few, but overall the recruitment has been great for our level. The fanbase was over the moon with most of the recent signings because the players had (and still do have) great potential.

It hasn't worked out so far, but it is absolutely a management problem not a talent problem.
Who has championship pedigree? Answer None.How do you change 25 year old league2 players into world beaters? Answer Impossible.
 
Who has championship pedigree? Answer None.How do you change 25 year old league2 players into world beaters? Answer Impossible.
You're just being daft at this point:

Kaikai
Ward
Garbutt
Dougall
Madine

All have more than 2 seasons in the Championship.

The rest of the squad either have been brilliant in League 2 or have consistently shown that they have potential to be great at this level.

It hasn't worked out yet and that is 100% down to Critchley.
 
Dougall was the best player on a League 1 promotion winning Barnsley side.

Goal scoring and chance creation are our biggest problems, but I don't think it's because we don't have the players to create chances or score, I think it's down to the manager.

If we sack Critchley, bring in another manager with more experience and it still doesn't pan out then I'll hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong and that the players weren't good enough quality.
Ok I was saying the same to my son earlier another manager could come in and get more out of these players I'd like Paul Cook myself.
But until we sign a player or two that have some sort of goal scoring record in this league or above we're going to have major problems.
 
we have to give him longer, he deserves that but he needs to be aware the clock is ticking.
I discussed earlier in the season with Voy about this seasons front three compared to last seasons. Voy rated this seasons better. It most clearly isn't. Now where does the blame [don't like that word] lie because of that?
You're off twisting things yet again. Last season's front three contained Gnanduillet who I was a big fan of. We miss him a lot. He kept us competitive last season when not a lot else did. As I have said repeatedly. Stick Gnando in the middle of the front three now and we are a different proposition.
 
Yeah from two people who think this seasons team is better than lasts. We played shit football under Grayson but is this much better? Don't think we got close to being in the bottom four last season. I know you want to buy into the dream, we all do, but there's seriously a lot wrong with this team. Blame the players, blame the manager, or blame both but did anyone seriously expect it to be this bad? I get the point about giving it time but you tend to give it time if you can see a bit of progress, some positivity, some resemblance of both the players and manager knowing what they are doing. Evidence that they can turn it ariund.I don't see it. This seems a very poor team and squad which has cost a fair bit to assemble..

So my questions to you Voy and Hertford is how do we fix it? How long do we give it?
Not me. With the performances they were displaying in the friendlies, I was at least expecting entertaining football, and with a bit of luck a bit of a challenge at the play-offs.
 
Ok I was saying the same to my son earlier another manager could come in and get more out of these players I'd like Paul Cook myself.
But until we sign a player or two that have some sort of goal scoring record in this league or above we're going to have major problems.
Agreed, I think a different manager could very well get a lot out of this team.

But I still think Critchley deserves 2-3 more games.
 
You're off twisting things yet again. Last season's front three contained Gnanduillet who I was a big fan of. We miss him a lot. He kept us competitive last season when not a lot else did. As I have said repeatedly. Stick Gnando in the middle of the front three now and we are a different proposition.
That's tosh. We haven't got a player like Feeney capable of putting a decent cross in.
 
We've done this too. Can't be arsed to argue, it's a well trodden path. Feeney is struggling at struggling Tranmere.
But that's this season. I'm comparing this with last. Not this with this. You can't compare this with this because the two key players aren't here anymore. It's a simple choice this or last and you chose this.
 
You're just being daft at this point:

Kaikai
Ward
Garbutt
Dougall
Madine

All have more than 2 seasons in the Championship.

The rest of the squad either have been brilliant in League 2 or have consistently shown that they have potential to be great at this level.

It hasn't worked out yet and that is 100% down to Critchley.
Clearly, you haven't looked at their career records, have you?
Kaikai didn't have a club so went abroad.
Ipswich in league1 released Ward and didn't want Garbutt after his loan.
Madine was released because his effectiveness at higher level had deteriorated.
Look up all his signings and see how poorly they've fared in their careers.
Critchley and HIS signings are hopeless.
 
...and just another point. What system does Critchley want to play every game? 4-3-3. So yep, that's two front wide men getting the ball in to the middle man. You know a bit like Feeney did for Gnanduillet. So you think the front three from this season are having more success than them. Evidence suggests not!
 
But that's this season. I'm comparing this with last. Not this with this. You can't compare this with this because the two key players aren't here anymore. It's a simple choice this or last and you chose this.
I said we have a better selection of players but we have no Gnando. Most of our fans wanted rid of Gnando. Probably you too, I can't remember. You seemed to think he was lucky, it was all done to Feeney.
 
Clearly, you haven't looked at their career records, have you?
Kaikai didn't have a club so went abroad.
Ipswich in league1 released Ward and didn't want Garbutt after his loan.
Madine was released because his effectiveness at higher level had deteriorated.
Look up all his signings and see how poorly they've fared in their careers.
Critchley and HIS signings are hopeless.
That's definitely one perspective, but I think it's much better to look at the positive potential a player could have instead of the negative downside. Again, who else would you have signed?
 
I said we have a better selection of players but we have no Gnando. Most of our fans wanted rid of Gnando. Probably you too, I can't remember. You seemed to think he was lucky, it was all done to Feeney.
Have we a better selection? I wouldn't say that. I'd say we've a bigger selection. A bit to go for me before i say we've a better selection.
I'll tell you my stance of Gnanduillet and Feeney as well because it was the same. Season before last I thought they were two poor players, especially Feeney and said so on here. On probably more than the one occasion. But last season both players won me round with their performances. Both could be frustrating at times but the fact Gnanduillet was voted by the players into the divisional team and that Feeney was second only to De Bruyne in number of assists is pretty compelling evidence. Don't believe I've ever said Gnands was lucky, far from it. He was very effective in his role with us.. And the only relevant point is what they did for us.
 
You're just being daft at this point:

Kaikai
Ward
Garbutt
Dougall
Madine

All have more than 2 seasons in the Championship.

The rest of the squad either have been brilliant in League 2 or have consistently shown that they have potential to be great at this level.

It hasn't worked out yet and that is 100% down to Critchley.
Don
Who has championship pedigree? Answer None.How do you change 25 year old league2 players into world beaters? Answer Impossible.
Don't think these will ever be world beater but I'm sure if we replaced Crichley with say Paul Cook he would implement a style of play that suits these players limitations.
Maybe bring in a player or two proven in this league that have a goal threat this would improve the current players performances and confidence.
 
It's now what I would call damage limitation with these poor signings whats the next move in your opinion ??
For Sadler to get a grip and demand results or else. Critchley and his number2, another youth coach, are a pair of wet lettuce and as we've agreed can't hack it at senior level. It needs an experienced manager to come in and play a system more suited to this below average bunch of players. He needs to organise them, motivate them and kick ass when necessary. Critchley Out!
 
For Sadler to get a grip and demand results or else. Critchley and his number2, another youth coach, are a pair of wet lettuce and as we've agreed can't hack it at senior level. It needs an experienced manager to come in and play a system more suited to this below average bunch of players. He needs to organise them, motivate them and kick ass when necessary. Critchley Out!
Well said that man couldn't have put it better myself 👏 wet lettuce lols
He was a dodgy school teacher the other night 😉
Was watching the bench tonight just sat there no motivation body language awful.
 
Have we a better selection? I wouldn't say that. I'd say we've a bigger selection. A bit to go for me before i say we've a better selection.
I'll tell you my stance of Gnanduillet and Feeney as well because it was the same. Season before last I thought they were two poor players, especially Feeney and said so on here. On probably more than the one occasion. But last season both players won me round with their performances. Both could be frustrating at times but the fact Gnanduillet was voted by the players into the divisional team and that Feeney was second only to De Bruyne in number of assists is pretty compelling evidence. Don't believe I've ever said Gnands was lucky, far from it. He was very effective in his role with us.. And the only relevant point is what they did for us.
What I don't understand is, given we have Madine, why Feeney has been loaned out. Surely the crosses he could supply would have Madine drooling.

And here's the killer bit. I very much doubt that the player we brought in to replace Feeney is on less than TR loan wage contribution.
 
What I don't understand is, given we have Madine, why Feeney has been loaned out. Surely the crosses he could supply would have Madine drooling.

And here's the killer bit. I very much doubt that the player we brought in to replace Feeney is on less than TR loan wage contribution.
I don't think Madine was a central part of the plan when Feeney was loaned out.
 
What I don't understand is, given we have Madine, why Feeney has been loaned out. Surely the crosses he could supply would have Madine drooling.

And here's the killer bit. I very much doubt that the player we brought in to replace Feeney is on less than TR loan wage contribution.
It's not the chosen system though is it? The problem we have is that we have recruited some players who are not fulfilling the investment we made in them - particularly Lubala and Yates. But let's not pretend we were any better off last season, if you take Gnanduillet out of the equation. We are really missing him IMO. He gave us a presence up front, defenders hated playing against him, and he scored all kinds of goals. His erratic first touch obviously offended a lot of our fans who demand cultured first touch football (when it suits - we now need to be more rugged and direct to succeed in League One apparently), but he did the business in League One. He also scored some excellent goals. with his head and both feet! Yet, apparently, he was shit.
 
It's not the chosen system though is it? The problem we have is that we have recruited some players who are not fulfilling the investment we made in them - particularly Lubala and Yates. But let's not pretend we were any better off last season, if you take Gnanduillet out of the equation. We are really missing him IMO. He gave us a presence up front, defenders hated playing against him, and he scored all kinds of goals. His erratic first touch obviously offended a lot of our fans who demand cultured first touch football (when it suits - we now need to be more rugged and direct to succeed in League One apparently), but he did the business in League One. He also scored some excellent goals. with his head and both feet! Yet, apparently, he was shit.
Why isn't it the chosen system?. Critchley wants to play 4-3-3 and Gnanduillet AND Feeney operated in that system last season. As I said beofre get the ball wide to Feeney, cross the ball into Gnanduillet, Goal. Pretty much the same this season. Get the ball wide to Hamilton. Oh shit he cant cross a ball.
 
Why isn't it the chosen system?. Critchley wants to play 4-3-3 and Gnanduillet AND Feeney operated in that system last season. As I said beofre get the ball wide to Feeney, cross the ball into Gnanduillet, Goal. Pretty much the same this season. Get the ball wide to Hamilton. Oh shit he cant cross a ball.
CJ clearly wasn't brought in for his crossing ability. He is much quicker than Feeney and scores goals.
 
CJ clearly wasn't brought in for his crossing ability. He is much quicker than Feeney and scores goals.
It's still 4-3-3. If Gnando was here he wouldn't be as half as effective because no-one can put a decent ball into the box. And I suggest you go and have a look at CJ's goalscoring record if you think he's a goalscorer. It's about one in every ten games! So assuming that Critchley knew that then it's reasonable to think he was brought in as a winger. And surely one of the attributes of a winger is to at least get some decent balls into the box. Look, I don't mind CJ but you writing off what Feeney did for us last season is totally flawed when you compare that we play the same system now.
 
Still think we are missing having an experienced manager. That referee was a joke.....for some reason he showed bias to Wimbledon right from the kick-off, was he intimidated by the Wimbledon bench?

It is a big job, a total rebuild on and off the pitch and I am beginning think it is a step too far for NC. Tonight's game was a write off as soon as we went down to 9 men but at least we showed some fight. There is definitely something missing from how the team is.

There are quite a few good candidates out there
It's not the chosen system though is it? The problem we have is that we have recruited some players who are not fulfilling the investment we made in them - particularly Lubala and Yates. But let's not pretend we were any better off last season, if you take Gnanduillet out of the equation. We are really missing him IMO. He gave us a presence up front, defenders hated playing against him, and he scored all kinds of goals. His erratic first touch obviously offended a lot of our fans who demand cultured first touch football (when it suits - we now need to be more rugged and direct to succeed in League One apparently), but he did the business in League One. He also scored some excellent goals. with his head and both feet! Yet, apparently, he was shit.
If he (Gnando) is so good why didn't he get picked up by a Championship club rather than an obscure Turkish Div 2 team? Probably money was a big factor in his decision because in football terms that is a difficult one to fathom!
 
If he (Gnando) is so good why didn't he get picked up by a Championship club rather than an obscure Turkish Div 2 team? Probably money was a big factor in his decision because in football terms that is a difficult one to fathom!
It's not for me to question why Gnando chose Turkey. I think I would have done the same though, given Covid/Boris/Track&Trace/weather etc. And the negativity of English fans towards his contribution!
 
It's not for me to question why Gnando chose Turkey. I think I would have done the same though, given Covid/Boris/Track&Trace/weather etc. And the negativity of English fans towards his contribution!
Oh do change the record Voy. One or two didn't like Gnanduillet. And even that was just based on comments on here. But if you'd been at matches you'll know that Gnaduillet won the vast majority of fans over and became a bit of a hero to them. His name was a regular chant at home and away games.
 
Oh do change the record Voy. One or two didn't like Gnanduillet. And even that was just based on comments on here. But if you'd been at matches you'll know that Gnaduillet won the vast majority of fans over and became a bit of a hero to them. His name was a regular chant at home and away games.
Fair enough, but he did get more than his fair share of grief, and fans switched between two positions a fair amount, it seemed.
 
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