Woke mob - Preston Grashoppers rugby club cancel Farage - Now at AFC Fylde

[Cheesyleps]

What a bizarre claim. That said, Adolf did target the sick, the disabled and the mentally ill early on, before he got on to the gipsys, freemasons, jews etc.

The euthanasia policy for disabled children proved unpopular, so didn't last long.

I don't understand which bit you find bizarre. The fact that Britain started the war? We very clearly did, on the pretense of ensuring Polish independence, which turned out well...

Are you disputing that the unprecedented loss of life caused by the war wouldn't have happened? Suggesting that without the war, he would have killed more than 75 million of his own people?

I find it endlessly fascinating that discussion of a war that ended over 75 years ago is effectively the only taboo that still exists in the west. Why are people unable to discuss this particular period in history objectively? Why is almost a century of propaganda by the victors accepted so uncritically?

The myth of WW2 is the state religion of the Western world.

 

[Wizaard]

The euthanasia policy for disabled children proved unpopular, so didn't last long.

I don't understand which bit you find bizarre. The fact that Britain started the war? We very clearly did, on the pretense of ensuring Polish independence, which turned out well...

Are you disputing that the unprecedented loss of life caused by the war wouldn't have happened? Suggesting that without the war, he would have killed more than 75 million of his own people?

I find it endlessly fascinating that discussion of a war that ended over 75 years ago is effectively the only taboo that still exists in the west. Why are people unable to discuss this particular period in history objectively? Why is almost a century of propaganda by the victors accepted so uncritically?

The myth of WW2 is the state religion of the Western world.

Are you seriously suggesting that Hitler was misunderstood and peaceful?

 

[Cuthbert]

The pathetic woke mob also shut down Oswald Mosley at events in the 30s, cancel culture has a long history. Those lefty do gooders have a lot to answer for.
It was club members at grasshoppers who got the event cancelled, fair play the bloke is contemptible. If my golf club had a night with Farage planned I'd tell them to shove my membership where the sun doesn't shine.

Well said mate. What’s this ‘woke’ shit. Just a childish pathetic loser trying to being big. Farage is a knob, has a lot to answer for.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

You mean Mosley who was the only credible voice calling for peace across Europe?

Had Britain listened to Mosley and not started WW2, the single largest loss of life in human history would have been prevented; saving approximately 75,000,000 lives.

From memory Hitler annexed Austria, invaded the Sudetenland, invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia (in breach of his agreement with Chamberlain) and then invaded Poland only then triggering Britain’s declaration of war. He then went on to invade and occupy Denmark, Norway, the neutral Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. This was followed by France and later Russia.

That’s a lot of invasions by someone who wanted to avoid a war.

Run it by me again how Britain started WW2?

 

[Wizaard]

Yes. Hitler never wanted war with Britain. Even after we declared war on him he sued for peace on at least 30 separate occasions. He held back his forces at Dunkirk in the hopes of being able to convince Britain to join him in fighting communism.

Britain declared war on Germany to 'protect Polish sovereignty' which on a strategic scale they failed at miserably. By 1945 Poland had been 100% subsumed into the bolshevik empire and would remain so for half a century.

75 years later and the entire west has fallen to cultural Marxism.

Nice one, Britain.

Wonder if Boris knows he's a Marxist. Possibly the daftest series of posts I've ever read on here, and that's a very low bar.

 

[CCFskiver]

The euthanasia policy for disabled children proved unpopular, so didn't last long.

I don't understand which bit you find bizarre. The fact that Britain started the war? We very clearly did, on the pretense of ensuring Polish independence, which turned out well...

Are you disputing that the unprecedented loss of life caused by the war wouldn't have happened? Suggesting that without the war, he would have killed more than 75 million of his own people?

I find it endlessly fascinating that discussion of a war that ended over 75 years ago is effectively the only taboo that still exists in the west. Why are people unable to discuss this particular period in history objectively? Why is almost a century of propaganda by the victors accepted so uncritically?

The myth of WW2 is the state religion of the Western world.

Your claim that Britain started WW2 is bizarre. Adolf triggered Britains involvement by manipulating the events that preceded the German invasion of Poland. Your claim that WW2 is a taboo subject is equally bizarre - there are 5 pages on discussion on here, to begin with.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Wonder if Boris knows he's a Marxist. Possibly the daftest series of posts I've ever read on here, and that's a very low bar.

I’m surprised the “talking Britain down” brigade aren’t all over these posts.

 

[Cheesyleps]

From memory Hitler annexed Austria, invaded the Sudetenland, invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia (in breach of his agreement with Chamberlain) and then invaded Poland only then triggering Britain’s declaration of war. He then went on to invade and occupy Denmark, Norway, the neutral Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. This was followed by France and later Russia.

That’s a lot of invasions by someone who wanted to avoid a war.

Run it by me again how Britain started WW2?

His project was the unification of the German people wherever they fell amongst the mostly fake abitrary nations primarily created by the western powers at the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

The Sudetenland was historically German and its reintegration into Germany was agreed upon at the Munich Agreement in 1938.

If seizure of further territory within Czechoslovakia is to be considered a problem, Britain should surely have taken up arms against both Poland and Hungary who also seized Czech territory after Munich?

Poland had spent 20 years persecuting ethnic Germans, whilst also rebuffing sensible efforts to establish a Danzig corridor. Almost all of the land seized by Germany was territory that had been taken at Versailles. Again, if Polish independence was such a red line, why was the Soviet Union allowed to seize the rest of their territory but remain an ally of Britain?

German expansion from 33 to 39 is easily understood in the light of two lenses; righting the wrongs of the ridiculous Versailles treaty and preventing the expansion of the Soviet Union (themselves aggressively seizing Eastern European territory as evidenced by their invasions of Finland, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania).

Britain faced zero territorial threat from Germany, but has ideologically been opposed to any project intended to unify Europe into a single power for several hundred years, whether that was Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler, and arguably now the EU.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Your claim that Britain started WW2 is bizarre. Adolf triggered Britains involvement by manipulating the events that preceded the German invasion of Poland. Your claim that WW2 is a taboo subject is equally bizarre - there are 5 pages on discussion on here, to begin with.

Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Fairly simple really.

You could also talk about Britain's refusal to end the war at any point between 1939 and 1945 in a way that didn't result in the complete destruction of central Europe. Throughout history most wars are ended by treaty without the need to entirely destroy the civilian infrastructure of the enemy.

In July 1940 for example, he offered unconditional peace following the fall of France and the Dunkirk evacuation (the main reason German forces were held short of wiping out the BEF at the beaches). Half of the British cabinet wanted to take the offer. Churchill as always agitated against it.

 

[Wizaard]

I’m surprised the “talking Britain down” brigade aren’t all over these posts.

Can't disagree with anything picturing Hitler as a reasonable man

 

[Cheesyleps]

Wonder if Boris knows he's a Marxist. Possibly the daftest series of posts I've ever read on here, and that's a very low bar.

Cultural Marxist. He certainly isn't in any way 'conservative' considering the Tory policy in relation to social issues such as LGB rights, immigration, transgenderism etc.

He's a globalist WEF shill that sees Britain as merely an economic area to be exploited, not a nation (Latin - natus; birthright, people).

So yes.

 

[Wizaard]

Cultural Marxist. He certainly isn't in any way 'conservative' considering the Tory policy in relation to social issues such as LGB rights, immigration, transgenderism etc.

He's a globalist WEF shill that sees Britain as merely an economic area to be exploited, not a nation (Latin - natus; birthright, people).

So yes.

Marxist, cultural or not is just nonsense. Not even Russia is culturally or any other way Marxist.

And Boris does whatever is popular or serves his own interests. He has no creed or moral principles at all.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Marxist, cultural or not is just nonsense. Not even Russia is culturally or any other way Marxist.

And Boris does whatever is popular or serves his own interests. He has no creed or moral principles at all.

The concept of cultural Marxism doesn't really have all that much to do with Marx himself, it is a worldview that subverts the original core of Marxism.

Marxism at its core was based on the concept that all society is structured around the struggles between different classes / societal strata primarily along wealth lines.

Cultural Marxism is that idea applied to cultural criteria rather than economic class. It is the core of the dominant western worldview that leads to concepts such as 'white privilege', 4th wave feminism etc.

 

[Wizaard]

The concept of cultural Marxism doesn't really have all that much to do with Marx himself, it is a worldview that subverts the original core of Marxism.

Marxism at its core was based on the concept that all society is structured around the struggles between different classes / societal strata primarily along wealth lines.

Cultural Marxism is that idea applied to cultural criteria rather than economic class. It is the core of the dominant western worldview that leads to concepts such as 'white privilege', 4th wave feminism etc.

Thanks Wiki. I'm aware of that.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Thanks Wiki. I'm aware of that.

Your responses suggested otherwise, but, you're welcome.

So, does the Tory party and by extension the leader of said party subscribe to the worldview that sees racism as the world's greatest sin? That believes that whiteness is a disease? That believes that the only possible interactions between men and women are abusive ones?

Because their actions sure do line up with every other bunch of cultural marxists in the western world.

 

[Wizaard]

Your responses suggested otherwise, but, you're welcome.

So, does the Tory party and by extension the leader of said party subscribe to the worldview that sees racism as the world's greatest sin? That believes that whiteness is a disease? That believes that the only possible interactions between men and women are abusive ones?

Because their actions sure do line up with every other bunch of cultural marxists in the western world.

This Tory party certainly doesn't subscribe to those views, and the abusive relationships are between Ministers and their civil servants which has been shown to be completely ignored.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

His project was the unification of the German people wherever they fell amongst the mostly fake abitrary nations primarily created by the western powers at the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

The Sudetenland was historically German and its reintegration into Germany was agreed upon at the Munich Agreement in 1938.

If seizure of further territory within Czechoslovakia is to be considered a problem, Britain should surely have taken up arms against both Poland and Hungary who also seized Czech territory after Munich?

Poland had spent 20 years persecuting ethnic Germans, whilst also rebuffing sensible efforts to establish a Danzig corridor. Almost all of the land seized by Germany was territory that had been taken at Versailles. Again, if Polish independence was such a red line, why was the Soviet Union allowed to seize the rest of their territory but remain an ally of Britain?

German expansion from 33 to 39 is easily understood in the light of two lenses; righting the wrongs of the ridiculous Versailles treaty and preventing the expansion of the Soviet Union (themselves aggressively seizing Eastern European territory as evidenced by their invasions of Finland, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania).

Britain faced zero territorial threat from Germany, but has ideologically been opposed to any project intended to unify Europe into a single power for several hundred years, whether that was Napoleon, Wilhelm, Hitler, and arguably now the EU.

Those arguments were used by Hitler’s mates in Britain at the time. They weren’t very convincing then nor are they now.

The Sudetenland was invaded by Nazi Germany before the Munich agreement was signed. So Britain was presented with a fait accompli and the territory was conceded by Britain to avoid going to war. This was the policy of appeasement that was criticised at the time by many, including Churchill. He was of course condemned as a war monger by the Hitler apologists.

Hitler then almost immediately breached the Munich agreement by invading the rest of Czechoslovakia. Again Britain didn’t declare war. It moved its redline again, this time to Poland. Hitler didn’t believe Chamberlain would ever declare war, or by then didn’t care, so went ahead and invaded Poland and it was only then that the U.K. declared war.

Apart from “lebensraum” you say that the other main driver of Hitler’s policy was to oppose the Soviet Union which is correct. However you make no mention of the German-Soviet non aggression pact between Hitler and Stalin, nor the fact that Hitler’s new ally also invaded Poland at the same time as Germany did. Nor the fact that a couple of years later Germany broke the Pact by invading Russia. I imagine you’ll now say “why didn’t Britain also declare war on Russia as well as Germany when they invaded Poland?”. Fair question. To which the answer is “you can’t have it both ways”. You can’t criticise Britain for declaring war on Germany but NOT declaring war on Russia. Well you can but you’d make yourself look an idiot.

But the big reveal is in your final paragraph where you admit that Hitler’s real objective was to “unify” Europe. Unify is an unfortunate choice of words unless you say “unify by the invasion, occupation and enslavement of the rest of Europe” based on the belief that many of its citizens were from races inferior to the superior, white Ayrians. And then proceed to wipe those races off the face of the earth. The Holocaust.

Nah. You still haven’t convinced me that Britain started WW2 nor that it was wrong for us and the other allies to pursue the war to complete victory. By continuing to the end, of course, it prevented Western Europe also being taken over by the Soviet Union, something that I’d have thought you’d approve of.

 

[Cheesyleps]

This Tory party certainly doesn't subscribe to those views, and the abusive relationships are between Ministers and their civil servants which has been shown to be completely ignored.

It doesn't? So tell me what the Tory party has done during its decade in power to reverse the mad course of progressivism in Britain?

There must be a long list of all those illiberal laws they have passed removing protections of minorities, removing women from the workplace, mass deportations of immigrants etc etc.

No, didn't think so.

They are as steeped in neo-liberalism as every other party. Pretending they are any different to any other political party is what allows people to sleep at night pretending that their little 'democracy' actually serves a purpose other than their own enslavement.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Those arguments were used by Hitler’s mates in Britain at the time. They weren’t very convincing then nor are they now.

The Sudetenland was invaded by Nazi Germany before the Munich agreement was signed. So Britain was presented with a fait accompli and the territory was conceded by Britain to avoid going to war. This was the policy of appeasement that was criticised at the time by many, including Churchill. He was of course condemned as a war monger by the Hitler apologists.

Hitler then almost immediately breached the Munich agreement by invading the rest of Czechoslovakia. Again Britain didn’t declare war. It moved its redline again, this time to Poland. Hitler didn’t believe Chamberlain would ever declare war, or by then didn’t care, so went ahead and invaded Poland and it was only then that the U.K. declared war.

Apart from “lebensraum” you say that the other main driver of Hitler’s policy was to oppose the Soviet Union which is correct. However you make no mention of the German-Soviet non aggression pact between Hitler and Stalin, nor the fact that Hitler’s new ally also invaded Poland at the same time as Germany did. Nor the fact that a couple of years later Germany broke the Pact by invading Russia. I imagine you’ll now say “why didn’t Britain also declare war on Russia as well as Germany when they invaded Poland?”. Fair question. To which the answer is “you can’t have it both ways”. You can’t criticise Britain for declaring war on Germany but NOT declaring war on Russia. Well you can but you’d make yourself look an idiot.

But the big reveal is in your final paragraph where you admit that Hitler’s real objective was to “unify” Europe. Unify is an unfortunate choice of words unless you say “unify by the invasion, occupation and enslavement of the rest of Europe” based on the belief that many of its citizens were from races inferior to the superior, white Ayrians. And then proceed to wipe those races off the face of the earth. The Holocaust.

Nah. You still haven’t convinced me that Britain started WW2 nor that it was wrong for us and the other allies to pursue the war to complete victory. By continuing to the end, of course, it prevented Western Europe also being taken over by the Soviet Union, something that I’d have thought you’d approve of.

So what you are saying is Britain started the war?

I have told my wife that nagging me about spending all of our money in the pub is a red line. She crossed it, so I punched her. Clearly it wasn't my fault.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

So what you are saying is Britain started the war?

I have told my wife that nagging me about spending all of our money in the pub is a red line. She crossed it, so I punched her. Clearly it wasn't my fault.

A better analogy would be that you come home from the pub roaring drunk and start punching your neighbours and family in the street. Another neighbour warns you several times to stop it and calm down, but when you don’t he punches you in the defence of himself and his neighbours. And then the police arrive and throw you in the back of the van, ignoring your protests that they are mad and you’re the victim in all this.

 

[southshorepool]

A better analogy would be that you come home from the pub roaring drunk and start punching your neighbours and family in the street. Another neighbour warns you several times to stop it and calm down, but when you don’t he punches you in the defence of himself and his neighbours. And then the police arrive and throw you in the back of the van, ignoring your protests that they are mad and you’re the victim in all this.

I think we have our very first bona fide Hitler apologist on this board. For God's sake, don't ask him about the Holocaust.

 

[Wizaard]

It doesn't? So tell me what the Tory party has done during its decade in power to reverse the mad course of progressivism in Britain?

There must be a long list of all those illiberal laws they have passed removing protections of minorities, removing women from the workplace, mass deportations of immigrants etc etc.

No, didn't think so.

They are as steeped in neo-liberalism as every other party. Pretending they are any different to any other political party is what allows people to sleep at night pretending that their little 'democracy' actually serves a purpose other than their own enslavement.

You're clearly on a wind up. If you think this Government are bringing in some form of cultural Marxism then you're totally deluded.

I'll leave you with their efforts to reverse the North South divide. Less reverse and more consolidation.

 

[Cheesyleps]

I think we have our very first bona fide Hitler apologist on this board. For God's sake, don't ask him about the Holocaust.

You mean the only event in history that requires laws against historical inquiry into its details?

I mostly just enjoy being contrarian and playing devil's advocate to stir debate if I'm being honest.

Hitler was too anti-Catholic for my tastes. Corneliu Codreanu's Legion of the Archangel Michael on the other hand...

 

[Wizaard]

It's just a shame that those who wanted Farage banned from speaking at PG weren't wanting Abu Hanza silenced when he was preaching outside on the streets of Finsbury.

Can you provide the relevant lists of these people?

I was all for banning both

 

[Always tangerine]

Difficult to believe this thread is still running.

 

[JJpool]

Difficult to believe this thread is still running.

It's kind of taken a weird turn for sure.

 

[CCFskiver]

Britain declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Fairly simple really.

You could also talk about Britain's refusal to end the war at any point between 1939 and 1945 in a way that didn't result in the complete destruction of central Europe. Throughout history most wars are ended by treaty without the need to entirely destroy the civilian infrastructure of the enemy.

In July 1940 for example, he offered unconditional peace following the fall of France and the Dunkirk evacuation (the main reason German forces were held short of wiping out the BEF at the beaches). Half of the British cabinet wanted to take the offer. Churchill as always agitated against it.

Are you aware of what the Nazis did in Poland, to justify invasion and then to subjugate its population? Are you saying that they would not have carried out those atrocities had Britain had not stood by the treaty that we had entered into?

 

[CCFskiver]

Difficult to believe this thread is still running.

Freedom of speech, AT, something that I don't think would have been available to us had Adolf been allowed to continue expressing himself. I believe he had special plans drawn up for Blackpool.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Are you aware of what the Nazis did in Poland, to justify invasion and then to subjugate its population? Are you saying that they would not have carried out those atrocities had Britain had not stood by the treaty that we had entered into?

What the Nazis did? The reality is what both sides did. There were well documented persecutions of ethnic Germans who found themselves placed within the borders of Poland by the Versailles treaty and also mass executions by the Wehrmacht.

Uncritically believing wartime propaganda from Poland/Russia/Germany (or any side really. Britain had to make a formal apology to Germany after WW1 for lies about gas chambers...) is a mistake. Remember how the Katyn massacre was blamed on the Nazis despite being committed by the Soviets? You also have the additional spanner in the works of the area falling behind the iron curtain after the war.

Everyone recognises that history is written by the victor, lots of people make an exception for this particular period for some reason.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Difficult to believe this thread is still running.

Why? I think it has turned into an interesting discussion about a subject which is also very relevant to today's issues.

Weimar-era Germany has lots of strong parallels with the USA in 2021.

* Large portion of the population losing faith in electoral processes. Believe the government to be illegitimate.

* Embarrassing loss in a war (Afghanistan) leading to feelings of betrayal amongst populace.

* Large numbers of combat hardened troops discarded by the system upon return from war.

* Degeneracy pushed heavily from the top down by media and cultural elites (incredibly unpopular with working classes).

* Increasing wealth inequality, economic hardship, inflation (will hit the USA and likely Europe hard within 2 years).

* Escalating ethnic tension leading to terroristic incidents such as the Waukesha parade attack.

One doesn't have to look very hard to find why this is a fascinating period to discuss.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Why? I think it has turned into an interesting discussion about a subject which is also very relevant to today's issues.

Weimar-era Germany has lots of strong parallels with the USA in 2021.

* Large portion of the population losing faith in electoral processes. Believe the government to be illegitimate.

* Embarrassing loss in a war (Afghanistan) leading to feelings of betrayal amongst populace.

* Large numbers of combat hardened troops discarded by the system upon return from war.

* Degeneracy pushed heavily from the top down by media and cultural elites (incredibly unpopular with working classes).

* Increasing wealth inequality, economic hardship, inflation (will hit the USA and likely Europe hard within 2 years).

* Escalating ethnic tension leading to terroristic incidents such as the Waukesha parade attack.

One doesn't have to look very hard to find why this is a fascinating period to discuss.

You’ve read The Turner Diaries once too often.

 

[Cheesyleps]

You’ve read The Turner Diaries once too often.

I've never read it actually, is it any good?

How about instead of trying to insult me, you tell us why you think I'm wrong...

Was the January 6th Capitol riot something you could have foreseen happening 10 years ago? Did you expect the Taliban to be back in control of Afghanistan?

The USA is exhibiting the death throes of a dying empire. What comes next?

 

[Mexboroseasider]

I've never read it actually, is it any good?

How about instead of trying to insult me, you tell us why you think I'm wrong...

Was the January 6th Capitol riot something you could have foreseen happening 10 years ago? Did you expect the Taliban to be back in control of Afghanistan?

The USA is exhibiting the death throes of a dying empire. What comes next?

Well there is a good argument that self confessed admirers of the Iron Guard deserve to be insulted. Are you aware of the atrocities they committed? Or are they all made up as well?

And I’ve already explained why you’re wrong to accuse Britain of starting WW2. I would though just add - after Pearl Harbour it wasn’t a forgone conclusion that the US would declare war on Germany. Germany saved the US the trouble by declaring war on them. So if the only measure of responsibility for causing a war is the formal declaration then that’s clearly down to Germany. In addition to invading Russia.

So far as the US is concerned I haven’t got the time at the moment other than to say there’s no doubt lots of fruitcakes in the US who would love another civil war and the annihilation of African Americans, Jews and “liberals”.

 

[CCFskiver]

What the Nazis did? The reality is what both sides did. There were well documented persecutions of ethnic Germans who found themselves placed within the borders of Poland by the Versailles treaty and also mass executions by the Wehrmacht.

Uncritically believing wartime propaganda from Poland/Russia/Germany (or any side really. Britain had to make a formal apology to Germany after WW1 for lies about gas chambers...) is a mistake. Remember how the Katyn massacre was blamed on the Nazis despite being committed by the Soviets? You also have the additional spanner in the works of the area falling behind the iron curtain after the war.

Everyone recognises that history is written by the victor, lots of people make an exception for this particular period for some reason.

Yes, what the Nazis did. I await your answer to the second question contained within my earlier reply.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Yes, what the Nazis did. I await your answer to the second question contained within my earlier reply.

So you are content just to ride over the atrocities committed by the Poles and the Soviets to point only at one side? That's fine, just don't pretend you are arguing objectively.

As to your question, do I believe that wartime atrocities could be prevented by not going to war... err... I would imagine that is a fairly simple answer.

Would Britain have committed atrocities such as the senseless firebombing of the civilian population of Dresden? What point are you even driving at?

The simple fact that needs addressing is that there were no "good guys" in the entire period, despite what 80 years of relentless propaganda would have you believe.

 

[Cheesyleps]

Well there is a good argument that self confessed admirers of the Iron Guard deserve to be insulted. Are you aware of the atrocities they committed? Or are they all made up as well?

And I’ve already explained why you’re wrong to accuse Britain of starting WW2. I would though just add - after Pearl Harbour it wasn’t a forgone conclusion that the US would declare war on Germany. Germany saved the US the trouble by declaring war on them. So if the only measure of responsibility for causing a war is the formal declaration then that’s clearly down to Germany. In addition to invading Russia.

So far as the US is concerned I haven’t got the time at the moment other than to say there’s no doubt lots of fruitcakes in the US who would love another civil war and the annihilation of African Americans, Jews and “liberals”.

Today happens to be the anniversary of Codreanu's assassination.

"Finally it would seem that the individual living in a democracy, enjoying so many rights, lives wonderfully. But in reality, and this is democracy's ultimate tragedy, the individual has no right, for where is the freedom of assembly in our country, the freedom to write, the freedom of conscience? The individual lies under terror, a state of siege, censorship; thousands of people are arrested, some being killed for their faith, as under the most tyrannical leaders." Codreanu - For my legionnaries

All politics is violence. It has ever been thus and shall ever be thus. The modern western state hides its violence behind a veneer of law and democracy whilst committing heinous atrocities against its own people and others. As it loses its grip on power the veneer will peel further and further away to reveal its true grisly visage.

To directly address your final sentence; over the last 24 hours the hashtag #mayomonkeysgottago has trended on twitter, whilst Facebook last week announced that over 90% of hate speech on its platform was directed at White people. The left has no moral high ground upon which to stand, so please don't pretend it does.

 

[CCFskiver]

So you are content just to ride over the atrocities committed by the Poles and the Soviets to point only at one side? That's fine, just don't pretend you are arguing objectively.

As to your question, do I believe that wartime atrocities could be prevented by not going to war... err... I would imagine that is a fairly simple answer.

Would Britain have committed atrocities such as the senseless firebombing of the civilian population of Dresden? What point are you even driving at?

The simple fact that needs addressing is that there were no "good guys" in the entire period, despite what 80 years of relentless propaganda would have you believe.

You are all over the place pal.

 

[Wizaard]

What the Nazis did? The reality is what both sides did. There were well documented persecutions of ethnic Germans who found themselves placed within the borders of Poland by the Versailles treaty and also mass executions by the Wehrmacht.

Uncritically believing wartime propaganda from Poland/Russia/Germany (or any side really. Britain had to make a formal apology to Germany after WW1 for lies about gas chambers...) is a mistake. Remember how the Katyn massacre was blamed on the Nazis despite being committed by the Soviets? You also have the additional spanner in the works of the area falling behind the iron curtain after the war.

Everyone recognises that history is written by the victor, lots of people make an exception for this particular period for some reason.

We really have unearthed something here.

How long before the Holocaust is just a misunderstanding?

 

[Trammo]

Today happens to be the anniversary of Codreanu's assassination.

"Finally it would seem that the individual living in a democracy, enjoying so many rights, lives wonderfully. But in reality, and this is democracy's ultimate tragedy, the individual has no right, for where is the freedom of assembly in our country, the freedom to write, the freedom of conscience? The individual lies under terror, a state of siege, censorship; thousands of people are arrested, some being killed for their faith, as under the most tyrannical leaders." Codreanu - For my legionnaries

All politics is violence. It has ever been thus and shall ever be thus. The modern western state hides its violence behind a veneer of law and democracy whilst committing heinous atrocities against its own people and others. As it loses its grip on power the veneer will peel further and further away to reveal its true grisly visage.

To directly address your final sentence; over the last 24 hours the hashtag #mayomonkeysgottago has trended on twitter, whilst Facebook last week announced that over 90% of hate speech on its platform was directed at White people. The left has no moral high ground upon which to stand, so please don't pretend

Codswallop.End of.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

For anyone who’s interested in knowing the truth there’s plenty written about codreanu’s so called “Iron Guard” on the internet. And the atrocities they committed, particularly in a slaughterhouse in Bucharest to a group of Jewish men, women and children who they hung from meat hooks and skinned alive. Their victims included a five year old girl.

 

[JJpool]

Nigel Farage's anti-cancel culture conference has been cancelled

'Counter Conference', a right-wing talking shop to take place at The O2's 3,000 capacity Indigo venue next week was set to feature the former Ukip leader, fresh from interviewing Donald Trump on GB News - as well as Laurence Fox and former Trump aide Jason Miller

www.mirror.co.uk

You know when your anti cancel culture conference gets cancelled, its not going well.

 

[Wizaard]

So no one interested

 

[CCFskiver]

Nigel Farage's anti-cancel culture conference has been cancelled

'Counter Conference', a right-wing talking shop to take place at The O2's 3,000 capacity Indigo venue next week was set to feature the former Ukip leader, fresh from interviewing Donald Trump on GB News - as well as Laurence Fox and former Trump aide Jason Miller

www.mirror.co.uk

You know when your anti cancel culture conference gets cancelled, its not going well.

He is a busted flush