Wonder what Sadler is thinking?

Reappointing NC indicates some basic lack of understanding of football and its customers, especially if, as an owner, you're prepared to play a long game in terms of improving your clubs overall position. And I've no reason to doubt that Simon Sadler wants to do that.

The problem is that NC was NEVER going to be given time by supporters because he buggered off and left us in the brown stuff. I'd be willing to bet good money that a totally new gaffer wouldn't be getting anywhere near as much heat from supporters because he'd still have some goodwill in the bank to allow for bumps in the road.

Simon Sadler would do well to understand that the mindset of your average football supporter is totally irrational, ignorant to the realities of running a football club and unwilling to even consider the notion that there are 23 other competitors in the race they want to win. He may feel that it's absurd to 'play' to such logic, but from a business perspective it's probably the smarter choice than trying to get supporters to think differently. It's never happened before for any club and I don't see it starting with us.
Sorry but I disagree. I think the fans have been very patient so far this season up until now.
If we were playing decent football and we were eighth I would reluctantly accept it if there were signs of progress and we had a go.
What we have had this season is a turgid mess but the fans have still backed the team.
I agree though, that any goodwill towards Critch has gone now.
 
He’s in an unbelievably tough spot.

I mentioned on a thread yesterday how similar this season was to 19/20 when Grayson was sacked, but the only difference between now and then is that Sadler didn’t come out with a video with Grayson apologizing for the way Grayson left.

How do you sack Critchley now with something like that? Would give him massive credit if he did..
 
Sorry but I disagree. I think the fans have been very patient so far this season up until now.
If we were playing decent football and we were eighth I would reluctantly accept it if there were signs of progress and we had a go.
What we have had this season is a turgid mess but the fans have still backed the team.
I agree though, that any goodwill towards Critch has gone now.

I agree that people have been patient. And I don't think supporters - in this case - are unreasonable to expect more from the coach. I just think that someone with no prior connection to us would still be given goodwill now on the basis that they're building something. Given that Critch knew a lot of the players and staff previously I think there's an expectation that he should have hit the ground running.
 
Reappointing NC indicates some basic lack of understanding of football and its customers, especially if, as an owner, you're prepared to play a long game in terms of improving your clubs overall position. And I've no reason to doubt that Simon Sadler wants to do that.

The problem is that NC was NEVER going to be given time by supporters because he buggered off and left us in the brown stuff. I'd be willing to bet good money that a totally new gaffer wouldn't be getting anywhere near as much heat from supporters because he'd still have some goodwill in the bank to allow for bumps in the road.

Simon Sadler would do well to understand that the mindset of your average football supporter is totally irrational, ignorant to the realities of running a football club and unwilling to even consider the notion that there are 23 other competitors in the race they want to win. He may feel that it's absurd to 'play' to such logic, but from a business perspective it's probably the smarter choice than trying to get supporters to think differently. It's never happened before for any club and I don't see it starting with us.
He did the big video interview relaunch complete with expert dossier to overcome all that, and it worked to an extent. For a while. Partially!

He’s in an unbelievably tough spot.

I mentioned on a thread yesterday how similar this season was to 19/20 when Grayson was sacked, but the only difference between now and then is that Sadler didn’t come out with a video with Grayson apologizing for the way Grayson left.

How do you sack Critchley now with something like that? Would give him massive credit if he did..
I wonder if he can get a refund for that in depth dossier?
 
Reappointing NC indicates some basic lack of understanding of football and its customers, especially if, as an owner, you're prepared to play a long game in terms of improving your clubs overall position. And I've no reason to doubt that Simon Sadler wants to do that.

The problem is that NC was NEVER going to be given time by supporters because he buggered off and left us in the brown stuff. I'd be willing to bet good money that a totally new gaffer wouldn't be getting anywhere near as much heat from supporters because he'd still have some goodwill in the bank to allow for bumps in the road.

Simon Sadler would do well to understand that the mindset of your average football supporter is totally irrational, ignorant to the realities of running a football club and unwilling to even consider the notion that there are 23 other competitors in the race they want to win. He may feel that it's absurd to 'play' to such logic, but from a business perspective it's probably the smarter choice than trying to get supporters to think differently. It's never happened before for any club and I don't see it starting with us.
That was why I didn't want him back initially.

Obviously he achieved something great with us but did tarnish his reputation for many when leaving the way he did and to a number 2 role. It didn't really bother me as football is football, but some clearly were not happy.

He's actually had decent support really considering, bar some online moaning and some who wouldn't chant his name or get involved in the fist pumps, but generally he's been accepted back.

But he needed to earn the trust back and unfortunately each time we've built up some momentum, it's immediately undone again.

There would still be disappointment in our situation under someone new but undoubtedly even just a bit more understanding, given no history to upset people.

Also it helps if you can see something being built, which by now, coming down with many players with championship experience and 2 windows now and a load of games, you'd expect to see better signs of improvement.

We did see some in Jan, but then we've also seen the wheels come off a bit recently and no real improvement away, it got worse infact. The issue has been that being behind we needed a big winning run and couldn't really afford mistakes. We just don't look capable and play some horrendous aimless football.

Maybe he was the best candidate available, but we really needed to be more creative and adventurous, we've missed out on some good managers at clubs in and around us seemingly due to caution and not wanting to take an exciting gamble, which has as much chance of coming off as a safe one but with no baggage. If anything there's additional benefits to not going back and making exciting appointments in extra people attending, clean slate etc.
 
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That was why I didn't want him back initially.

Obviously he achieved something great with us but did tarnish his reputation for many when leaving the way he did and to a number 2 role. It didn't really bother me as football is football, but some clearly were not happy.

He's actually had decent support really considering, bar some online moaning and some who wouldn't chant his name or get involved in the fist pumps, but generally he's been accepted back.

But he needed to earn the trust back and unfortunately each time we've built up some momentum, it's immediately undone again.

There would still be disappointment in our situation under someone new but undoubtedly even just a bit more understanding, given no history to upset people.

Also it helps if you can see something being built, which by now, coming down with many players with championship experience and 2 windows now and a load of games, you'd expect to see better signs of improvement.

We did see some in Jan, but then we've also seen the wheels come off a bit recently and no real improvement away, it got worse infact.

Maybe he was the best candidate available, but we really needed to be more creative and adventurous, we've missed out on some good managers at clubs in and around us seemingly due to caution and not wanting to take an exciting gamble, which has as much chance of coming off as a safe one but with no baggage. If anything there's additional benefits to not going back and making exciting appointments in extra people attending.
Spot on in pretty much every aspect. The club took a risk when the upside of doing so was really not worth it compared to the obvious negatives that would always have been created without immediate and obvious success, which is impossible to guarantee.
 
He'll pick the wrong one, he has plenty of form for it!
I assume the piss poor choices of Appy and Dino is what prompted him to out source to the clueless consultants. I got the sense from his unveiling piece with Crutch at beginning of the season that he might have taken some persuading. If so he’ll be right fked off at how the season has gone.
 
Spot on in pretty much every aspect. The club took a risk when the upside of doing so was really not worth it compared to the obvious negatives that would always have been created without immediate and obvious success, which is impossible to guarantee.
I guess it felt a safe and solid appointment for SS, backed up by the report...

Also, that report... did it take into account the journey NC went on after that, he failed at Villa, ok maybe not all his fault but he was heavily involved, almost a co manager, like some other ex pro with limited experience setups with an experienced number 2, Rooney and Rosenior etc. QPR too...

SS had just made a similar to now, but worse mistake with Appleton, where he not only didn't have anything in the bank, but was really disliked by some from the off. Unlike NC he'd never done anything good here before, left after no time for a local rival, nobber connection etc. OK he saw through the Oystons was the line but it didn't really help and was always going to be a silly appointment.

I think it looked like when Rosenior turned us down they went with Appleton rather than restart the process, but he shouldn't have been in there, anyone with a modicum of understanding about how BFC and football fans in general work would have known.

Going back to NC again wasn't as bad as that, but again is going back to someone who gets a mixed reaction, lack of buzz, less time etc.

The managerial choices have been uninspiring and meant to be safe, but actually introduce negative factors not seen in a fresh approach.
 
He’s in an unbelievably tough spot.

I mentioned on a thread yesterday how similar this season was to 19/20 when Grayson was sacked, but the only difference between now and then is that Sadler didn’t come out with a video with Grayson apologizing for the way Grayson left.

How do you sack Critchley now with something like that? Would give him massive credit if he did..
A normal ruthless football owner would not have a problem in sacking a manager if performances on the pitch were not good enough. In Critch's case either time has run out or he needs to change things drastically on the pitch and get the fans back on board, if not Sadler will feel it when STs are up for renewal. I for one don’t expect to win every away game but l expect the manager and the players to at least go down fighting and show some passion and commitment especially to those who pay their hard earned cash traveling up and down the country in all sorts of shite weather.
 
So why did Sadler say we were looking for promotion and Critchley was the only candidate that could deliver it?

He's not gonna say it's gonna be a mid table obscurity season is he. I'm sure the hope is for promotion but I just don't think he's made it the immediate aim just that it's this season or next.
 
I agree that people have been patient. And I don't think supporters - in this case - are unreasonable to expect more from the coach. I just think that someone with no prior connection to us would still be given goodwill now on the basis that they're building something. Given that Critch knew a lot of the players and staff previously I think there's an expectation that he should have hit the ground running.
I think SS would have been right to think that fans wouldn't reject NC on the basis of his leaving, but there are a lot who hold it against NC. However, what I can't understand is first time round SS brought in an exp No 2 (twice) for obvious reasons. In the meantime you could argue that NC hasn't progressed, so why didn't SS bring in a No 2 from Day 1 of NCII?

It's not all NC's fault, but he doesn't half contribute to it.
 
I think SS would have been right to think that fans wouldn't reject NC on the basis of his leaving, but there are a lot who hold it against NC. However, what I can't understand is first time round SS brought in an exp No 2 (twice) for obvious reasons. In the meantime you could argue that NC hasn't progressed, so why didn't SS bring in a No 2 from Day 1 of NCII?

It's not all NC's fault, but he doesn't half contribute to it.

I don't think many outright rejected him, but he returned as 'damaged goods' with a lack of trust from the crowd. As JJ says, similar (if not as 'bad') as Apples and opening yourself and the club up to negative thoughts and reactions when there's no real need.

Re the number 2; I would feel that if you're going down the Return of Critchley route, then you have to show faith in the guy. Telling him, he needs an experienced sidekick, is not exactly showing faith. Most other coaches/managers would say, I want 'X' as my number 2 and generally get their wish.
 
He's not gonna say it's gonna be a mid table obscurity season is he. I'm sure the hope is for promotion but I just don't think he's made it the immediate aim just that it's this season or next.
With the players we have it should be the immediate aim especially with the luxury of Jordan Rhodes banging them in for fun. We should be in the top four in this division easily….not playing like a non league side away a at Cheltenham
 
With the players we have it should be the immediate aim especially with the luxury of Jordan Rhodes banging them in for fun. We should be in the top four in this division easily….not playing like a non league side away a at Cheltenham
God knows where we’d be if we hadn’t had Rhodes. Having him has probably covered a multitude of other problems and we’d quite possibly be down near relegation.
 
With the players we have it should be the immediate aim especially with the luxury of Jordan Rhodes banging them in for fun. We should be in the top four in this division easily….not playing like a non league side away a at Cheltenham
That does bring up an interesting point though. Is the squad actually as good as we think?
 
With the players we have it should be the immediate aim especially with the luxury of Jordan Rhodes banging them in for fun. We should be in the top four in this division easily….not playing like a non league side away a at Cheltenham
That's where I'd disagree, I don't think the squad is top 4.
 
I don't think many outright rejected him, but he returned as 'damaged goods' with a lack of trust from the crowd. As JJ says, similar (if not as 'bad') as Apples and opening yourself and the club up to negative thoughts and reactions when there's no real need.

Re the number 2; I would feel that if you're going down the Return of Critchley route, then you have to show faith in the guy. Telling him, he needs an experienced sidekick, is not exactly showing faith. Most other coaches/managers would say, I want 'X' as my number 2 and generally get their wish.
I can understand the trust side, but NC had done nothing to inspire that trust since he left and SS had already put 2 x No 2's on him anyway.

It's all too late now anyway for all that.

On the fans and his return. There was always going to be a short fuse from the fans pov.

Another stupid appointment. Just hope The Kidnap Supporters Group do their magic on SS when it's time to bring someone new in.
 
That does bring up an interesting point though. Is the squad actually as good as we think?
It's better than most in the league, but hasn't been used right.

Whilst Rhodes has scored loads we would have signed a striker anyway and who knows what he might have brought to the table.
 
I can understand the trust side, but NC had done nothing to inspire that trust since he left and SS had already put 2 x No 2's on him anyway.

It's all too late now anyway for all that.

On the fans and his return. There was always going to be a short fuse from the fans pov.

Another stupid appointment. Just hope The Kidnap Supporters Group do their magic on SS when it's time to bring someone new in.
I don't disagree re the number 2 point. It's another reason it's been a stupid appointment. Most of us can see the improved results when experienced support was alongside NC.
 
It's better than most in the league, but hasn't been used right.

Whilst Rhodes has scored loads we would have signed a striker anyway and who knows what he might have brought to the table.
Again, no disagreements from me here. There's plenty of quality for the level we're at, but it's impossible not to feel it's being used in totally the wrong manner. If it isn't, then we've spent plenty on not a lot...
 
Again, no disagreements from me here. There's plenty of quality for the level we're at, but it's impossible not to feel it's being used in totally the wrong manner. If it isn't, then we've spent plenty on not a lot...
Which is why I think SS will act. He can't be happy with the return on the money spent.
 
That's where I'd disagree, I don't think the squad is top 4.
So you think Critchley has deliberately signed these players knowing they are not good enough for the top four in L1? Let's face it the whole squad is near enough all Critchley signings. Because that is basically what you are saying.
 
So you think Critchley has deliberately signed these players knowing they are not good enough for the top four in L1? Let's face it the whole squad is near enough all Critchley signings. Because that is basically what you are saying.
In fairness to him, are they really Critch signings or signings made by the 'Recruitment Team' that Critch has agreed he can work with? Hard to truly know.
 
I think SS would have been right to think that fans wouldn't reject NC on the basis of his leaving, but there are a lot who hold it against NC. However, what I can't understand is first time round SS brought in an exp No 2 (twice) for obvious reasons. In the meantime you could argue that NC hasn't progressed, so why didn't SS bring in a No 2 from Day 1 of NCII?

It's not all NC's fault, but he doesn't half contribute to it.
That's exactly what I thought when Critchley was given the second chance. Critchley could have accepted that his weakness was not having the nous and experience needed to deal with the harsh gritty reality of Lg1 football especially when up against teams that don't play "nice" football and just want to bully you. Having watched the last two games the thing that stood out for me was how similar Stevenage and Cheltenham were in their approach. They basically beat us up! Glen Little said pretty much the same thing commentating on the game.

So, after a pitifully weak first half what does Critchley do? Erm.....nothing! There was experience on the bench in Ekpiteta, Norburn and Virtue. If Sadler doesn't want to fire Critchley then fine fire his assistants who contribute the square root of fuck all and bring in another Calderwood, McCall type to hold his hand. If Critchley doesn't like it then he can walk.
 
That's exactly what I thought when Critchley was given the second chance. Critchley could have accepted that his weakness was not having the nous and experience needed to deal with the harsh gritty reality of Lg1 football especially when up against teams that don't play "nice" football and just want to bully you. Having watched the last two games the thing that stood out for me was how similar Stevenage and Cheltenham were in their approach. They basically beat us up! Glen Little said pretty much the same thing commentating on the game.

So, after a pitifully weak first half what does Critchley do? Erm.....nothing! There was experience on the bench in Ekpiteta, Norburn and Virtue. If Sadler doesn't want to fire Critchley then fine fire his assistants who contribute the square root of fuck all and bring in another Calderwood, McCall type to hold his hand. If Critchley doesn't like it then he can walk.
To be honest I think it's too late for that. It should have been done probably October. Doing it now would make NC look really stupid as well as the Club (whoever that would be) for not doing it earlier.
 
I often wonder whether Simon regrets buying the club. I know for a fact he reads this board and gets wound up. He must feel as frustrated as us fans.
 
What a total shame that 90% of Blackpool fans wont read and understand StraightAtTheWall's excellent post.

We've been here before with managers....and it's becoming boring that fans just jump on the bandwagon and wont give Chritch time.
But we will roll on to the next guy......and then the next and then another.
 
What a total shame that 90% of Blackpool fans wont read and understand StraightAtTheWall's excellent post.

We've been here before with managers....and it's becoming boring that fans just jump on the bandwagon and wont give Chritch time.
But we will roll on to the next guy......and then the next and then another.
I would happily give any manager time if I thought they were building something for the future and we were moving in the right direction. That isn’t the case here. Lessons are just not being learned and Critchley seems like he is out of ideas.
 
Simon will be as equally frustrated as the rest of us. Ridiculous to think any different.
Simon ?? He sold our top goalscorer in August for Millions and didn’t replace him ! And I don’t believe the Joseph bollocks .but neway he isn’t a goal scorer .. Very lucky Rhodes found his hunger or we would 15th maybe worse .. Simon ? Av a word with yourself 😞😂
 
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