Work started on Revoe sports village

"In addition, the demolition of existing, poor-quality housing and light industrial sites could allow the football club to create a performance and conference building running the length of the east stand and fronting Central Drive, according to the masterplan."

This sounds promising.
 
PoolRule4EVA said:
It only says 'could allow...' Mmm?

I'm at a stage now where after 50+ years of supporting the Pool I only believe things when they are visible - such a sceptic I know lol
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It's worded like that as it's up to the club to build the new east stand and the area around it.

The council is building the rest as they have funding for everything else in the plan.
 
Thought this was already mentioned a few months back, its just a clear up of rubbish left over from the building site and a general tidy up of that area. unfortunately the development will take years to complete . Most if not all the houses are still lived in which will take many years, to gain occupancy / court and legal challenges for compulsory purchase orders will take place. they will slowly start developing the land they are working on tidying up, I would of thought next year at some point.. However the full master plan maybe 10 years from now to be completed, i would have thought?
 
Sunpool said:
Thought this was already mentioned a few months back, its just a clear up of rubbish left over from the building site and a general tidy up of that area. unfortunately the development will take years to complete . Most if not all the houses are still lived in which will take many years, to gain occupancy / court and legal challenges for compulsory purchase orders will take place. they will slowly start developing the land they are working on tidying up, I would of thought next year at some point.. However the full master plan maybe 10 years from now to be completed, i would have thought?
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5 to 20 years is mentioned on page 81 of the plan here.
 
ste said:
5 to 20 years is mentioned on page 81 of the plan here.
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JJpool said:
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The new east stand could be done a lot quicker than that though as the club are in charge of building and paying for that.

It all depends on how quickly the buildings behind the east stand can be demolished.

The 5 to 20 year part is regarding the wider revoe area which surrounds the club.
 
ste said:
The new east stand could be done a lot quicker than that though as the club are in charge of building and paying for that.

It all depends on how quickly the buildings behind the east stand can be demolished.

The 5 to 20 year part is regarding the wider revoe area which surrounds the club.
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However the houses are still lived in.. who's going to buy them? the club? and add the cost of demolishing them/ it will cost millions.. before the stand is built..
 
Sunpool said:
However the houses are still lived in.. who's going to buy them? the club? and add the cost of demolishing them/ it will cost millions.. before the stand is built..
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Did hear in the past that the oystons owned some of the houses behind the east stand a while back.
 
ste said:
Did hear in the past that the oystons owned some of the houses behind the east stand a while back.
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Yes, I think that's true. OO bought them when available in the 80s/90s. Thought it was no more than 3 or 4, but stand to be corrected.
 
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Did hear in the past that the oystons owned some of the houses behind the east stand a while back.
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hope not.. they will never sell or want 10x the value.. this is what will hold everything up! people not willing to move, or refusing to move... oh time will tell, however I think the north side of the ground will be developed quite quickly..


The approach to land assembly can be undertaken in two principle ways; either through the voluntary acquisition of land and property via negotiation or through the use of the local council CPO powers to acquire land. In the case of voluntary acquisition the process can be lengthy and uncertain with some owners refusing to sell and others holding out for a price way above market value. Land assembly and acquisition by CPO is also a time consuming and lengthy process that requires a strong justification for acquisition on economic and environmental grounds to deliver the Masterplan Strategy.
 
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Looks to me like the East Stand development is expected to be part of the earlier phases.

Long term there’s going to be plenty more compulsory purchases than a few houses on Henry Street. The overall development is huge.
 
Sunpool said:
hope not.. they will never sell or want 10x the value.. this is what will hold everything up! people not willing to move, or refusing to move... oh time will tell, however I think the north side of the ground will be developed quite quickly..


The approach to land assembly can be undertaken in two principle ways; either through the voluntary acquisition of land and property via negotiation or through the use of the local council CPO powers to acquire land. In the case of voluntary acquisition the process can be lengthy and uncertain with some owners refusing to sell and others holding out for a price way above market value. Land assembly and acquisition by CPO is also a time consuming and lengthy process that requires a strong justification for acquisition on economic and environmental grounds to deliver the Masterplan Strategy.
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Surely its all been gone over what will be required and the council will be doing all that. They have set sept 2025 haven't they as getting the stand done for. So the houses would have to be gone well before then.... 🤷
 
Was giving evidence to Parliament last week on the Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill.

There's quite a bit in it about speeding up the compulsory purchase process for large regeneration schemes (and empty shops etc).

As the whole development is part of the Levelling Up agenda and has been part funded on that basis - it might just be a bit quicker than it would otherwise be.

I'd hope there would be appropriate compensation to any home owners to make sure they aren't out of pocket
 
Is it not only the businesses behind the current East Stand that need to go before a new Esst goes up ?
The houses facing Central Drive need to go to enable the later development.
 
 
poolfc said:
Looks like a change of plans for the football pitches to include the north stand car park area

22/0859 | Provision of 1no. full size 11 a-side artificial grass pitch and 1no. 5 a-side artificial grass pitch with associated floodlighting, erection of a single storey changing pavilion and storage building, vehicular access off S

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www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

Blackpool FC submits plans for sports village next to its Bloomfield Road stadium

New plans have been submitted by Blackpool Football Club for community sports pitches alongside its Bloomfield Road stadium.
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk
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Quick glance and it seems the plan includes a building in the north east corner. I'm assuming that's a temp plan otherwise the stadium won't be able to be completed?
 
BFC_53 said:
Quick glance and it seems the plan includes a building in the north east corner. I'm assuming that's a temp plan otherwise the stadium won't be able to be completed?
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Marked as ground staff facility but not sure apart from that. Maybe one for Big Ben to explain at BRR's football governance rally / BST meeting in the morning
 
BFC_53 said:
Quick glance and it seems the plan includes a building in the north east corner. I'm assuming that's a temp plan otherwise the stadium won't be able to be completed?
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Yes, I think it's just a temporary place for groundstaff equipment. For those attending the BST meeting it would be good to hear the status of Back Henry St and whether there are plans for a Compulsory Purchase Order from Blackpool Council to acquire the necessary properties
 
Seainsea said:
Yes, I think it's just a temporary place for groundstaff equipment. For those attending the BST meeting it would be good to hear the status of Back Henry St and whether there are plans for a Compulsory Purchase Order from Blackpool Council to acquire the necessary properties
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Would be good the hear if the land for the TG at GRW has been purchased and if so, under what terms from a BFC accounts pov.
 
Seainsea said:
Yes, I think it's just a temporary place for groundstaff equipment. For those attending the BST meeting it would be good to hear the status of Back Henry St and whether there are plans for a Compulsory Purchase Order from Blackpool Council to acquire the necessary properties
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Hopefully, however I noted the NE corner never gets a mention, maybe an oversight or just classed as the east stand, but I'd say the east and NE corner to be clear.

Seeing a building going there is a little worrying, especially as they apparently want to crack on with this east.

The first thing you'd build is the ne corner so it extends capacity and minimises losses when the east is started, you'd do it in stages, surely possible.

Why is it never mentioned and now a building is going there.....

They are also now not using the whole bit of land, with the northern bit being left? What's happening with that remaining bit?
 
JJpool said:
Hopefully, however I noted the NE corner never gets a mention, maybe an oversight or just classed as the east stand, but I'd say the east and NE corner to be clear.

Seeing a building going there is a little worrying, especially as they apparently want to crack on with this east.

The first thing you'd build is the ne corner so it extends capacity and minimises losses when the east is started, you'd do it in stages, surely possible.

Why is it never mentioned and now a building is going there.....

They are also now not using the whole bit of land, with the northern bit being left? What's happening with that remaining bit?
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Looking at the NE building, it probable that it will be adapted to be incorporated under the NE.

I don't think it's anything to worry about.
 
fcblackpool said:
Looking at the NE building, it probable that it will be adapted to be incorporated under the NE.

I don't think it's anything to worry about.
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Yeah just weird there no mention of a NE corner, although is is all 1 stand really. Be madness if it's not built.
 
fcblackpool said:
Yes, I think that's true. OO bought them when available in the 80s/90s. Thought it was no more than 3 or 4, but stand to be corrected.
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From memory they were sold in one of the administrators tranches at auction as they were actually owned by BFC properties? Except the 2 run down prefabricated bungalows that they kept to enable better future access to the East….. TAM will probably remember a bit better?
 
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So in this pic below is the aprox area, winder why they've saved off the top part, what will become of that....?

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As part of the Revoe plan they plan on building a new school and turning the old one into housing. That top part would make a good location for a new school (backing on to community space) and would reduce the immediate need for the council to buy the land on the other side of Central drive (where the new school was initially planned) and would also mean the school kids wouldn’t need to cross a road to use the facilities.

Nothing to support it, but it makes sense seeing as it’s council land already.
 
Sunpool said:
However the houses are still lived in.. who's going to buy them? the club? and add the cost of demolishing them/ it will cost millions.. before the stand is built..
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The Council have issued CPOs. They will buy them then sell/lease the relevant land to the club
 
The council are hopeful of getting the ‘investment zone’ status for all land between Blackpool North and Talbot Square and from Talbot Square to Blackpool South. If the council gets that status then basically existing rules re. CPO’s and Planning regulations are essentially thrown out and the council can do as they please to speed up regeneration projects. This is how Blackpool council plan on getting the Revoe masterplan and the University Campus built.
 
Sunpool said:
hope not.. they will never sell or want 10x the value.. this is what will hold everything up! people not willing to move, or refusing to move... oh time will tell, however I think the north side of the ground will be developed quite quickly..


The approach to land assembly can be undertaken in two principle ways; either through the voluntary acquisition of land and property via negotiation or through the use of the local council CPO powers to acquire land. In the case of voluntary acquisition the process can be lengthy and uncertain with some owners refusing to sell and others holding out for a price way above market value. Land assembly and acquisition by CPO is also a time consuming and lengthy process that requires a strong justification for acquisition on economic and environmental grounds to deliver the Masterplan Strategy.
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Doesnt work like that Sunny. If the council (or whoever) have a compulsory order, they must go. Going rates and prices are set and off you pop. Sounds harsh if you live there but true. Nobody will be getting double the value of their home, or anything silly like that,
 
Jdseacidre81 said:
That bit in the north east could be changing rooms and eventually incorporated into the new stand
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Maybe, but in the NW corner you have a passageway to the west, doesn't mean it has to be like that, maybe it still could or maybe not, whoknows.
 
JJpool said:
Maybe, but in the NW corner you have a passageway to the west, doesn't mean it has to be like that, maybe it still could or maybe not, whoknows.
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The structure in the North East is a store, toilet and break room for the groundsman / stadium maintenance team and their equipment.
At present they have limited facilities and I believe use a small warehouse behind the Esso garage to store some of their equipment as well as various cupboards and spaces in and around the stadium.
Giving them a designated, secure and dry work space frees up the warehouse for demolition and gives them the ability to maintain the astroturf pitches (which requires additional equipment to maintaining a grass pitch) and everything else a lot more efficiently. Tidying up and securing the area also allows the East to be demolished without having an impact on the above.
The East and a North East will likely be a phased development to avoid hitting capacity too hard during construction. I would therefore also imagine once all or part of a permanent East stand is up then these facilities can be moved again and the North East put up.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The structure in the North East is a store, toilet and break room for the groundsman / stadium maintenance team and their equipment.
At present they have limited facilities and I believe use a small warehouse behind the Esso garage to store some of their equipment as well as various cupboards and spaces in and around the stadium.
Giving them a designated, secure and dry work space frees up the warehouse for demolition and gives them the ability to maintain the astroturf pitches (which requires additional equipment to maintaining a grass pitch) and everything else a lot more efficiently. Tidying up and securing the area also allows the East to be demolished without having an impact on the above.
The East and a North East will likely be a phased development to avoid hitting capacity too hard during construction. I would therefore also imagine once all or part of a permanent East stand is up then these facilities can be moved again and the North East put up.
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Hopefully, would love to see the plans and whether it's bigger than the gazette keep stating, as in the same size as it is now. May have only been outline plans, but it's not hard for the club to come out in all these meetings and say what size they'll likely be aiming for. Could have put all speculation to bed.
 
JJpool said:
Hopefully, would love to see the plans and whether it's bigger than the gazette keep stating, as in the same size as it is now. May have only been outline plans, but it's not hard for the club to come out in all these meetings and say what size they'll likely be aiming for. Could have put all speculation to bed.
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At the last SDM they said they were working with architects to come up with designs for the East but that talks were ongoing with the council and that ultimately it depended on the additional land and how much additional land would become available.
SS said at a meeting last year that a basic like for like replacement would cost approx £12 million… however the club are indicating they’re budgeting north of £40 million for the East and Training Ground. The Training Ground was supposed to be budgeted as costing approximately £12-15 million… so a bit of quick maths would suggest the budget for the East is £25 million and upwards. Take into account the support from the council in terms of land assembly and enabling (£4 million+) and also the relatively straight forward nature of demolishing what is a simple existing structure with virtually no impact on the rest of the ground then you realise it’s actually a very healthy budget.
Hearts for example rebuilt their new main stand at a cost of £22 million (original budget of £15). That’s a very constricted site on prime Edinburgh property. It also included a huge demolition job and the new stand is very impressive and contains a lot of facilities.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
At the last SDM they said they were working with architects to come up with designs for the East but that talks were ongoing with the council and that ultimately it depended on the additional land and how much additional land would become available.
SS said at a meeting last year that a basic like for like replacement would cost approx £12 million… however the club are indicating they’re budgeting north of £40 million for the East and Training Ground. The Training Ground was supposed to be budgeted as costing approximately £12-15 million… so a bit of quick maths would suggest the budget for the East is £25 million and upwards. Take into account the support from the council in terms of land assembly and enabling (£4 million+) and also the relatively straight forward nature of demolishing what is a simple existing structure with virtually no impact on the rest of the ground then you realise it’s actually a very healthy budget.
Hearts for example rebuilt their new main stand at a cost of £22 million (original budget of £15). That’s a very constricted site on prime Edinburgh property. It also included a huge demolition job and the new stand is very impressive and contains a lot of facilities.
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How big do you think it'll be? Include the corner 😏
 
JJpool said:
How big do you think it'll be? Include the corner 😏
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Hearts - no corner - 7300 seats at £22.5 million is approx £3100 per seat. That’s a relatively complex structure containing a huge amount of corporate space and a boutique hotel as well as changing rooms, club shop and ticket office etc. It’s also a split level site and had to include access / egress for other stands. Also a large demolition job and building needed around and over an operational stand.

Assuming our budget is £25 million and the structure runs at a similar cost per seat then we’re looking at 8000 seats and a lot of extra facilities too. That should take BR’s capacity over 20,000.

Theoretically we could end up with a corner stand similar to that of the existing South West corner and then an East of similar scale to Barnsley’s 2 tiered East stand. And I’d be quite happy with that personally.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Hearts - no corner - 7300 seats at £22.5 million is approx £3100 per seat. That’s a relatively complex structure containing a huge amount of corporate space and a boutique hotel as well as changing rooms, club shop and ticket office etc. It’s also a split level site and had to include access / egress for other stands. Also a large demolition job and building needed around and over an operational stand.

Assuming our budget is £25 million and the structure runs at a similar cost per seat then we’re looking at 8000 seats and a lot of extra facilities too. That should take BR’s capacity over 20,000.

Theoretically we could end up with a corner stand similar to that of the existing South West corner and then an East of similar scale to Barnsley’s 2 tiered East stand. And I’d be quite happy with that personally.
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Personally I see no reason not to continue the stadium design with a corner of equal height to the north, as it'll be joining a higher east, that'll add 1k seats.

Build that first to offset the east when it does go and is being built.

Plus I'd expect this stand to be utilising the space better, with a different roof structure to ensure seats can go back far further and higher. As currently with our other stands the supports go through the stand limiting how far back it can go.

I can't see us going 2 tier when we can accommodate it in 1, would be cheaper.

Be interesting to see what they come up with.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
At the last SDM they said they were working with architects to come up with designs for the East but that talks were ongoing with the council and that ultimately it depended on the additional land and how much additional land would become available.
SS said at a meeting last year that a basic like for like replacement would cost approx £12 million… however the club are indicating they’re budgeting north of £40 million for the East and Training Ground. The Training Ground was supposed to be budgeted as costing approximately £12-15 million… so a bit of quick maths would suggest the budget for the East is £25 million and upwards. Take into account the support from the council in terms of land assembly and enabling (£4 million+) and also the relatively straight forward nature of demolishing what is a simple existing structure with virtually no impact on the rest of the ground then you realise it’s actually a very healthy budget.
Hearts for example rebuilt their new main stand at a cost of £22 million (original budget of £15). That’s a very constricted site on prime Edinburgh property. It also included a huge demolition job and the new stand is very impressive and contains a lot of facilities.
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At the BST AGM on Saturday Ben Mansford reported that the price of the GRW land for the training ground has gone up from the original budgeted value of £7-12m, to £20m. No doubt price rises like this will impact the East Stand programme as well.
 
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