World beating vaccination programme

Always worried when the data is about the whole population (and that includes under 18's) so that figure isnt really a good indication
This may give you a better idea......
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The stats in the o/p appear to suggest these are percentages of the total population.
The UK reports percentages of the adult population.
Perhaps we have a lot more children in the UK.
 
Insider said:
The stats in the o/p appear to suggest these are percentages of the total population.
The UK reports percentages of the adult population.
Perhaps we have a lot more children in the UK.
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A lot more children in the UK? Really......
 
Only the top 4 countries qualify for the next Euros so let's not underestimate the importance of these stats. 😉
 
seasideone said:
The government provide enough vaccines for all, some do not want them.

The government pretty much plead with all to have - some people still do not.

Not sure how this one is Boris’s fault!!!
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Are you saying we have more people that do not want the vaccine opposed to mainland Europe, really?
Anyway all hail brexit, the vaccination programme is a massive benefit 🤔
 
Old_Laytonian said:
He’s trying to discredit the only thing this useless Government have got right
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It’s actually quite funny as whatever figures are quoted, it does not really matter.

Any adult can get a jab!!!

Living abroad and not entitled to use the NHS anymore, they have phoned me six times asking why I haven’t had a jab- each time I explained I had!!!

….it’s not as if they are trying to put people off 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Old_Laytonian said:
He’s trying to discredit the only thing this useless Government have got right
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Well he's making a piss poor job of it.
seasideone said:
It’s actually quite funny as whatever figures are quoted, it does not really matter.

Any adult can get a jab!!!

Living abroad and not entitled to use the NHS anymore, they have phoned me six times asking why I haven’t had a jab- each time I explained I had!!!

….it’s not as if they are trying to put people off 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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There even trying to blackmail you into getting the jab no nightclub entrance from end of September and rumoured Football grounds from October it isn't like they aren't trying.😂
 
The point being made is that the EU have been approving vaccines for children down to 12 years old since May. For some reason the UK has been slow to lower the age range. The breaking up of schools to stem Covid cases has been key in the UK recently due to this. However, going forward into Autumn and Winter, we may need to follow the EU and get more of the whole population vaccinated to keep on top of things.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The point being made is that the EU have been approving vaccines for children down to 12 years old since May. For some reason the UK has been slow to lower the age range. The breaking up of schools to stem Covid cases has been key in the UK recently due to this. However, going forward into Autumn and Winter, we may need to follow the EU and get more of the whole population vaccinated to keep on top of things.
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If that’s the case then fair play Gov UK 👍

The evidence is currently very thin for under 18s, on whether they should take it or not.
 
seasideone said:
If that’s the case then fair play Gov UK 👍

The evidence is currently very thin for under 18s, on whether they should take it or not.
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The main issue being, kids catch it and pass it on to the parents and grandparents. If vaccinated, viral loads will be lower if they spread it and that would benefit the wider society as a whole.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The point being made is that the EU have been approving vaccines for children down to 12 years old since May. For some reason the UK has been slow to lower the age range. The breaking up of schools to stem Covid cases has been key in the UK recently due to this. However, going forward into Autumn and Winter, we may need to follow the EU and get more of the whole population vaccinated to keep on top of things.
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The point being we had numerous posters (back in the day...) pointing out the speed of vaccination being one of the so called benefits of brexit. Turns out to be bollocks as per usual. Anyway looking forward to another benefit of brexit, the army stocking up food in stores. What a winner.
 
I always assume incompetence rather than malice. But you have got to wonder after the start they had how the hell the UK government have not made a statement of how well run things are when left to their own devices unrestrained by foreign interference.

Are they bored with the topic in government? Is it of no interest if its not in the papers? Are they actually bothered that so many people are not taking up a free vaccination?
 
seasideone said:
If that’s the case then fair play Gov UK 👍

The evidence is currently very thin for under 18s, on whether they should take it or not.
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The important thing to note is that the decision is in the hands of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, who are independent of government.


BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The main issue being, kids catch it and pass it on to the parents and grandparents. If vaccinated, viral loads will be lower if they spread it and that would benefit the wider society as a whole.
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There's a fundamental principle at stake here, medical interventions are for the benefit of the individual involved, not "the wider society as a whole", so long as the balance of risks is against vaccination in children it would be unethical for any medical professional to act otherwise.
 
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Jobs for nurses to jab school kids have been advertised for a while now, it's going to happen, data & facts don't matter. This was likely always the plan even when Hancock denied that children would be vaccinated. When the government categorically denied that they would ever introduce vaccine passports, they were planning their introduction in the background.

In 2019, people would have been horrified by both of these developments...
 
Shandypants said:
The point being we had numerous posters (back in the day...) pointing out the speed of vaccination being one of the so called benefits of brexit. Turns out to be bollocks as per usual. Anyway looking forward to another benefit of brexit, the army stocking up food in stores. What a winner.
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The biggest load of bollocks on this forum is what comes out of your mouth. You really hate this country don't you.
 
The bit the OP left out:

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Sure the EU are catching up now, we've vaccinated everyone who wants the jab and are now doing about 10% of the first jabs we were doing in March, but it's the 3 month gap between where we were at the end of March and the EU getting to the same place that's the real difference, something that could likely be measured in thousands if not tens of thousands of lives.

In fact for the EU as a whole even now they're only where we were on 11 June.
 
I think it's great if other countries are doing well on vaccination now and obviously it's been a great boon for us. Not the case that all who want the jab here have been vaccinated yet, and still work to do to encourage the hesitant. Here in London maybe 72 per cent of adults fully vaccinated ( don't have the exact figure) but need to encourage those who are hesitant and 16- 24 age group.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The important thing to note is that the decision is in the hands of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, who are independent of government.




There's a fundamental principle at stake here, medical interventions are for the benefit of the individual involved, not "the wider society as a whole", so long as the balance of risks is against vaccination in children it would be unethical for any medical professional to act otherwise.
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Independent of government? Comedy gold.
 
Always tangerine said:
I think it's great if other countries are doing well on vaccination now and obviously it's been a great boon for us. Not the case that all who want the jab here have been vaccinated yet, and still work to do to encourage the hesitant. Here in London maybe 72 per cent of adults fully vaccinated ( don't have the exact figure) but need to encourage those who are hesitant and 16- 24 age group.
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Why? There's an obvious benefit for vulnerable people but it becomes increasingly marginal once you get below 50 (assuming otherwise healthy). Vaccine evangelism is become more than a little creepy.
 
i've no problem with other countries getting on with their vaccination programme and catching us up. That was always gonna happen and can only be a good thing. But it's certainly not a stick to beat this country with either.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
The biggest load of bollocks on this forum is what comes out of your mouth. You really hate this country don't you.
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There is a big difference between hating the country and hating the government. The govt were so keen so gloat about the world beating vaccination programme but have suddenly gone quiet. It was all very childish of the tories anyway.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The bit the OP left out:

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Sure the EU are catching up now, we've vaccinated everyone who wants the jab and are now doing about 10% of the first jabs we were doing in March, but it's the 3 month gap between where we were at the end of March and the EU getting to the same place that's the real difference, something that could likely be measured in thousands if not tens of thousands of lives.

In fact for the EU as a whole even now they're only where we were on 11 June.
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That graph is one dose. Last time I checked thats not fully vaccinated........
 
Wizaard said:
Independent of government? Comedy gold.
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Which of the following aren't independent:
  • Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford)
  • Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals)
  • Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
  • Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
  • Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
  • Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
  • Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
  • Alison Lawrence (lay member)
  • Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
  • Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
  • Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
  • Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
  • Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
  • Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
  • Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)
  • Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals)
 
The point of the UK's early lead was that we got the most vulnerable vaccinated well before EU countries. Those were the people that needed the jab and those were the ones who gained the most. Of course all countries will catch up at some point until the only difference is the percentage that refuse to be vaccinated.

I saw the Taoiseach last week saying that Ireland had overtook 'it's nearest neighbour' in vaccinations but that wasn't much use to the elderly Irish who passed away earlier this year from Covid.

If you want to keep moaning about Brexit then this is probably not the subject to choose. Better still, just stop moaning.
 
Kip said:
The point of the UK's early lead was that we got the most vulnerable vaccinated well before EU countries. Those were the people that needed the jab and those were the ones who gained the most. Of course all countries will catch up at some point until the only difference is the percentage that refuse to be vaccinated.

I saw the Taoiseach last week saying that Ireland had overtook 'it's nearest neighbour' in vaccinations but that wasn't much use to the elderly Irish who passed away earlier this year from Covid.

If you want to keep moaning about Brexit then this is probably not the subject to choose. Better still, just stop moaning.
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Pity this govt chucked covid victims in care homes, real concern for the vulnerable. The vaccine gloating the anti EU press and govt did in the early days still sticks in my throat, the fact is the EU have caught up to us. This should never have been a subject to crow about "beating the EU" but many of you did. Its hardly the brexit bonus that you were gushing over.
 
Shandypants said:
Pity this govt chucked covid victims in care homes, real concern for the vulnerable. The vaccine gloating the anti EU press and govt did in the early days still sticks in my throat, the fact is the EU have caught up to us. This should never have been a subject to crow about "beating the EU" but many of you did. Its hardly the brexit bonus that you were gushing over.
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Keeping people alive is possibly the biggest 'Brexit bonus' I could imagine.

The fact that you struggle with that is something for you to sort out.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Which of the following aren't independent:
  • Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford)
  • Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals)
  • Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
  • Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
  • Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
  • Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
  • Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
  • Alison Lawrence (lay member)
  • Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
  • Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
  • Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
  • Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
  • Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
  • Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
  • Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)
  • Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals)
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They can say what they want but ultimately every decision is down to the Government. That's their job.
 
Wizaard said:
They can say what they want but ultimately every decision is down to the Government. That's their job.
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So you accept they're independent after all, that's a good start.

Now on the subject of the decisions: https://assets.publishing.service.g...VI_Code_of_Practice_revision_2013_-_final.pdf

Since 1 April 2009 the Health Protection (Vaccination) Regulations 2009 place a duty on the Secretary of State for Health in England to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the recommendations of JCVI are implemented,

In any event it would take an extraordinarily brave minister to ignore or overrule the JCVI.
 
Lost Seasider said:
So you accept they're independent after all, that's a good start.

Now on the subject of the decisions: https://assets.publishing.service.g...VI_Code_of_Practice_revision_2013_-_final.pdf

Since 1 April 2009 the Health Protection (Vaccination) Regulations 2009 place a duty on the Secretary of State for Health in England to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the recommendations of JCVI are implemented,

In any event it would take an extraordinarily brave minister to ignore or overrule the JCVI.
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Extraordinarily brave or extraordinarily stupid and the latter is what we have.
 
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