Wrexham ot

Hertsseasider said:
The stuff of dreams or
Money buying success
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Both.

They've been done over badly by previous owners and have fell lucky with A lister owners.

Notts County aren't owned by paupers either and a couple of million at that level goes a long way.

What I do like about them both is that they are clubs with footballing pedigree with large fanbases.

Some other clubs to have come up recently have been rich men's playthings and aren't genuinely sustainable.
 
How far can Wrexham, and Notts County if they win the play-off go up the pyramid?

Will they keep spending or settle in league two?
 
I think I find it easier to see clubs like those mentioned enjoy success, even if it's bought, because it takes some dedication to follow them all the way down to the bottom and out of the league. Much more respect for their genuine fans that stuck by them (I know some are bandwagon jumpers) than I have for fans of the bigger clubs who cry and protest occasionally when they drop to mid table, but don't really have any idea what a crisis is.
 
BFC_53 said:
I think I find it easier to see clubs like those mentioned enjoy success, even if it's bought, because it takes some dedication to follow them all the way down to the bottom and out of the league. Much more respect for their genuine fans that stuck by them (I know some are bandwagon jumpers) than I have for fans of the bigger clubs who cry and protest occasionally when they drop to mid table, but don't really have any idea what a crisis is.
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I have less time for the teams whose fanbase stays around 2,000 to 3,000 regardless of them rising through the Leagues. Johnny come latelies

The likes of Grimsby show that there is an inherent history and heritage that a little success brings back the fans. Far sooner have Bury and Oldham back over the likes of Forest Green and Sutton.
 
I’ve had a soft spot for Wrexham ever since there drip into relative abyss. They’ve had decent crowds that haven’t dropped under 4/5k at their worst I believe. Love that loopy fecker bootlegger as well. Think they will go through league 2 fairly quickly and end up in the championship within 6/8 years. Looks like there building a stand behind the goal, sure the old one had been condemned for years
 
Wizaard said:
I have less time for the teams whose fanbase stays around 2,000 to 3,000 regardless of them rising through the Leagues. Johnny come latelies

The likes of Grimsby show that there is an inherent history and heritage that a little success brings back the fans. Far sooner have Bury and Oldham back over the likes of Forest Green and Sutton.
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Wholeheartedly agree.
 
Hmmm, Haythornthwaite was saying three years ago that he was putting in £1m pa, must be more now. As said above, least Wrexham have a chance of self sufficiency.
 
Dollar Thief said:
Hope they fail, getting fed up of all these clubs taken over by someone with no connection who then splashes the cash.
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They might not have a connection but the plan was to buy a club in a struggling area and revitalise it. Wrexham fans have paid their dues for a long time so how anybody would want them to fail God only knows. They might be Hollywood owners but have not just jumped in at the top end but done something worthwhile lower down.
Let's be honest, if this was Blackpool we would all be lapping it up.
 
Billybigbananas said:
Hmmm, Haythornthwaite was saying three years ago that he was putting in £1m pa, must be more now. As said above, least Wrexham have a chance of self sufficiency.
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Wrexham can afford to lose £3 million on gates of 10,000 plus. As they go up the Leagues they'll be in profit.

Can you say the same of AFC ?
 
I’d genuinely like to see all clubs have to recruit players from there respective towns plus perhaps the odd 1 or 2 outsiders. I doubt it’ll happen though as £££££ has a bigger say. Workings man’s game my arse, well it used to be.
 
Sooty59 said:
I’d genuinely like to see all clubs have to recruit players from there respective towns plus perhaps the odd 1 or 2 outsiders. I doubt it’ll happen though as £££££ has a bigger say. Workings man’s game my arse, well it used to be.
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Who was the last Blackpool born player we had as a regular? John Hills?
 
They were always league one for most of my lifetime, so no reason with the added glitz they couldn't make it into the championship.

Just depends if Ryan Reynolds is in it for the long haul, he's probably got less money than Sadler but with the added attention and sponsorships they could be a champ club averaging 15k+.

I always enjoyed that stand behind the goal at the Racecourse, could generate a great atmosphere, some memorable matches with them too.
 
PNENIL said:
They might not have a connection but the plan was to buy a club in a struggling area and revitalise it. Wrexham fans have paid their dues for a long time so how anybody would want them to fail God only knows. They might be Hollywood owners but have not just jumped in at the top end but done something worthwhile lower down.
Let's be honest, if this was Blackpool we would all be lapping it up.
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This 👍
 
My lad lives in Chester but works in Wrexham. He finds it nauseating with them all jumping on the bandwagon - guess that's the point though, to get buy in and build.
 
PdxTangerine said:
They were always league one for most of my lifetime, so no reason with the added glitz they couldn't make it into the championship.

Just depends if Ryan Reynolds is in it for the long haul, he's probably got less money than Sadler but with the added attention and sponsorships they could be a champ club averaging 15k+.

I always enjoyed that stand behind the goal at the Racecourse, could generate a great atmosphere, some memorable matches with them too.
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I highly doubt rr and his mate have got less money than ss.
 
SwannDangerous said:
I highly doubt rr and his mate have got less money than ss.
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You might be right, obviously nobody knows Sadlers net worth but it's likely in the hundreds of millions based on the value of his hedge fund.

With the sad state of financial affairs in the championship though you need to be close to a billionaire to fund a competitive championship team long term and RR isn't that. The other guy has a decently succesful show in syndication but is likely only worth in the tens of millions.
 
Sooty59 said:
I’d genuinely like to see all clubs have to recruit players from there respective towns plus perhaps the odd 1 or 2 outsiders. I doubt it’ll happen though as £££££ has a bigger say. Workings man’s game my arse, well it used to be.
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Pay to win. Like most things these days.
 
Halifax71 said:
My lad lives in Chester but works in Wrexham. He finds it nauseating with them all jumping on the bandwagon - guess that's the point though, to get buy in and build.
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Yep I agree

All of a sudden the have new fans from all over North Wales

It's a bit sickly if I'm honest
 
Every credit to the pair. they've done their homework and seen the identity factor where the club is a focus for North Wales. Very few clubs could come close to that, if any. Carlisle and Exeter are the only ones and they are miles off the attraction WFC carries.
 
Wizaard said:
Both.

They've been done over badly by previous owners and have fell lucky with A lister owners.

Notts County aren't owned by paupers either and a couple of million at that level goes a long way.

What I do like about them both is that they are clubs with footballing pedigree with large fanbases.

Some other clubs to have come up recently have been rich men's playthings and aren't genuinely sustainable.
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I really do not buy into this statement at all Wiz. It's a lazy way of saying you don't like smaller clubs with rich owners.

All football clubs are the playthings of the wealthy.

Man City would be sustainable - but they would be shite like they used to be.

AFC Fylde or Fleetwood would also be sustainable but may need to drop down a league or three.

Both only gain relative success by having wealthy benefactors. This is football. If you have a wealthy owner you win, if you don't, you tend not to.
 
Both Wrexhams and County's current squads will win promotion again from League 2. Wouldn't be surprised if it's in the same order.
 
Look at the external money coming in through sponsorship and foreign TV rights. Having major companies like Tik Tok, Expedia and Disney involved is massive long term
 
Macseasider said:
I really do not buy into this statement at all Wiz. It's a lazy way of saying you don't like smaller clubs with rich owners.

All football clubs are the playthings of the wealthy.

Man City would be sustainable - but they would be shite like they used to be.

AFC Fylde or Fleetwood would also be sustainable but may need to drop down a league or three.

Both only gain relative success by having wealthy benefactors. This is football. If you have a wealthy owner you win, if you don't, you tend not to.
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Agreed. It certainly isn't the game we all fell in love with growing up as kids. Morals have left the building as far as football is concerned. It's run by money now and in some cases it's just downright corrupt. And it seems the higher up the football chain you go, the more corrupt it is.
 
Wizaard said:
I have less time for the teams whose fanbase stays around 2,000 to 3,000 regardless of them rising through the Leagues. Johnny come latelies

The likes of Grimsby show that there is an inherent history and heritage that a little success brings back the fans. Far sooner have Bury and Oldham back over the likes of Forest Green and Sutton.
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And Codwood :)
 
If Tom Cruise fancied taking over Blackpool I wouldn't say no.
Even in terms of shirt sales you're talking big money return.
 
And Reynolds sold his Gin brand to Diageo for 500m a couple of years ago

The guy seems to have a good investment advisor.....
 
I guess the ceiling for these clubs is the championship.
The standard between league 2 and conference has been reduced a lot over the past few years. A lot of teams adjust to life in the football league quite well with some challenging at the top end.
It’s league 1 where it gets difficult and needs some decent investment if crowds arnt great.
We could be playing Stockport and Wrexham in league games soon enough which is something I couldn’t see happening!
 
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