Taking the knee
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Wizaard
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For the act of kneeling. Starting a game is more visceral.
EagleDay
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Lytham is probably the biggest wind-up merchant on this site.You must need an oxygen mask on your highest of moral (hypocritical) high grounds
EagleDay
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?????
EagleDay
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Sieg Heil!
1966_and_all_that
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That's a shame. Over such a minor thing too.
1966_and_all_that
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Quite.
1966_and_all_that
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If you read Stan Matthews autobiography he mentions the salute, saying that the players were against it but there was some diplomatic pressure to do it. Anyway, he and the rest of the team were determined to stuff Germany on the back of that.
The book is particularly good because Matthews goes into detail about the action on the pitch of a lot of these games that are now lost to us, with there being no visual media coverage.
I bet the players in that photo were scared to not salute for fear of repercussions, just like those today.
1966_and_all_that
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Yes, those days were very much like the world today.....Jeez.
EagleDay
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Thanks, Wizard, so long since I have seen that photo, but, doesn't that tell you something about the current situation, you don't think there is a parallel? Or are you just blinding yourself to it?
Mexboroseasider
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What? Taking the knee and a Nazi salute are equivalent? Really my Little Luftwaffe Lover - is that genuinely what you think?
Precisely. Footballers making salutes because they are required to, including the England team.
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So, you don't understand the similarities. That's fine. You probably will one day.
1966_and_all_that
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OK.....dic'. no 66, you're better than that. Let him talk to himself.
Giro
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I sincerely hope you’re just a wum. If not, you're one hell of a warped individual.
Mexboroseasider
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So on the day of The Battle of Britain fly past in memory of “The Few” you have decided there’s an equivalence between a regime they were fighting against that slaughtered millions. And a movement that’s highlighting endemic racism.
Corking.
Woolly Mammoth
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Stan Cullis refused to do the salute and so he was dropped.
If you want to equate the two that's up to you. Nobody else is. As 66 said, the (England) players were against the nazi salute but there was some diplomatic pressure to do it. I'm sure some of today's players are saying similar about taking the knee today wouldn't you say?
B_Side_The_C_Side
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I'm just amazed how the thought of a footballers showing their support for anti-racism sends you and certain people on here into a frenzy.
It's kneeling down for 10 seconds and doesn't affect anything within the game.
WHY......would anyone NOT support that
WHY......would anyone NOT see the reason behind it
WHY......would anyone NOT agree that being a racist is morally wrong
WHY.......would anyone NOT allow others to express their support
WHY.......well......Luckily, the majority of Football fans agree and are happy for players to take the knee and support them.
If you don't agree.....I'm sorry, you're just wrong on so many levels......but I don't care and i'm not bothered about you....you're just a nasty throw back that's dying out and will never get any support.
It's kneeling down for 10 seconds and doesn't affect anything within the game.
WHY......would anyone NOT support that
WHY......would anyone NOT see the reason behind it
WHY......would anyone NOT agree that being a racist is morally wrong
WHY.......would anyone NOT allow others to express their support
WHY.......well......Luckily, the majority of Football fans agree and are happy for players to take the knee and support them.
If you don't agree.....I'm sorry, you're just wrong on so many levels......but I don't care and i'm not bothered about you....you're just a nasty throw back that's dying out and will never get any support.
Woolly Mammoth
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We all know the answer, it’s as clear as day as it’s always the same posters on every similar thread. They’ll go to great lengths bringing up preposterous and irrelevant arguments and distractions which they seem to think throws everyone off the scent.
They are what they are, they’ll never change and it’s pointless arguing with them. They know they’re wrong and out of touch and that the world is changing for the better and it maddens them hence them being constantly angry and upset.
EagleDay
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Take a look at what is happening in Yankeeland and it's influence on the numpties in this country. What started in Germany had it's influence on numpties of the time over here, thankfully the authorities put a stop to it, eventually.
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Tangerinenick
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Personally believe it should end in October. This should coincide with Black History month and would provide good impetus for people to look at another aspect of British history and cultures.
EagleDay
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Okay, just to make you happy, I am a "warped individual", and happy to be so.
EagleDay
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Remind you of some of the things that are happening in America and here?
SEASIDE2020
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Replying to Beside the Seaside:
"WHY......would anyone NOT support that"
There are numerous protests against racism and some people might think that this "take the knee" thing which has been pushed forward by the Black Lives Matter organisation - which exists in a number of forms and I would suggest that some of them have what honest, decent folk would be to consider to be highly questionable ideas - is not the way to go about demonstrating against racism and that there are better ways, times and places to demonstrate.
"WHY......would anyone NOT see the reason behind it"
I don't think anybody knows the exact reason behind it, those who support the "taking the knee" gesture have different reasons for supporting it. I'd imagine some are doing it to in support of the various Black Lives Matter movements and believe that they are forwarding various campaigns such as defunding the police and anti-capitalism, others may feel that they are raising awareness of racial issues/problems such as the possible inappropriate behaviour towards ethnic groups by police officers in the USA. Others might be doing it because they have long term highly paid contracts and don't want to put those contracts at risk by refusing to participate in this ridiculous charade.
"WHY......would anyone NOT agree that being a racist is morally wrong"
Personally I'd agree that being a racist is morally wrong, I'm sure the vast majority on this board would agree that is the case and I know that the vast majority of supporters at Bloomfield Road would agree that is the case. Unfortunately we do see some issues of racism - in and out of football - but at football these are much reduced these days. It is only 30-40 years since there were far fewer black players and they used to experience various intolerance, now there are black players in all teams and there are far fewer incidents of racism. One incident is far too many but looking at it from a BFC point of view, I have only experienced one incident of racism in the last 10 years at Bloomfield Road, a chap in the North Stand shouted, "Campbell, you black b@st@rd", when DJ Campbell came on as a sub against us. The whole stand went quiet before others started shouting at the chap who had abused DJ and rightfully let him know that should behaviour was wrong and would not be tolerated.
"WHY.......would anyone NOT allow others to express their support"
I stand corrected but I have yet to see anybody being not allowed to express their support. There are some people who don't agree with the whole "taking the knee" thing and some might think that it gets in the way of the footbalI ? I think there is a bigger problem with players being forced to express their support, I have no doubt that some players will feel that they have been forced to join in the whole thing and I have no doubt that some might choose to dis me for making this suggestion. Before ridiculing my suggestion it may be an idea to consider the backlash faced by the players and clubs of QPR and Coventry City after they decided not to "take the knee" before their game on Friday night. Mark Warburton faced ridiculous accusations of racism later on but luckily he is clearly a very good communicator and he was easily able to show the interviewer chap from Sky up for what he was.
"WHY.......well......Luckily, the majority of Football fans agree and are happy for players to take the knee and support them"
I am not sure what the majority of football fans think on the matter but personally I am not going to change my views based on the views of others and I am not going to stop somebody from protesting whether the majority agree with them or not. I would also never consider anybody who refused to support a specific demonstration against something as being complicit in whatever that protest was against.
"If you don't agree.....I'm sorry, you're just wrong on so many levels......but I don't care and i'm not bothered about you....you're just a nasty throw back that's dying out and will never get any support"
That's a very interesting view, especially when we consider that you have just chosen to lecture us on intolerance.
"WHY......would anyone NOT support that"
There are numerous protests against racism and some people might think that this "take the knee" thing which has been pushed forward by the Black Lives Matter organisation - which exists in a number of forms and I would suggest that some of them have what honest, decent folk would be to consider to be highly questionable ideas - is not the way to go about demonstrating against racism and that there are better ways, times and places to demonstrate.
"WHY......would anyone NOT see the reason behind it"
I don't think anybody knows the exact reason behind it, those who support the "taking the knee" gesture have different reasons for supporting it. I'd imagine some are doing it to in support of the various Black Lives Matter movements and believe that they are forwarding various campaigns such as defunding the police and anti-capitalism, others may feel that they are raising awareness of racial issues/problems such as the possible inappropriate behaviour towards ethnic groups by police officers in the USA. Others might be doing it because they have long term highly paid contracts and don't want to put those contracts at risk by refusing to participate in this ridiculous charade.
"WHY......would anyone NOT agree that being a racist is morally wrong"
Personally I'd agree that being a racist is morally wrong, I'm sure the vast majority on this board would agree that is the case and I know that the vast majority of supporters at Bloomfield Road would agree that is the case. Unfortunately we do see some issues of racism - in and out of football - but at football these are much reduced these days. It is only 30-40 years since there were far fewer black players and they used to experience various intolerance, now there are black players in all teams and there are far fewer incidents of racism. One incident is far too many but looking at it from a BFC point of view, I have only experienced one incident of racism in the last 10 years at Bloomfield Road, a chap in the North Stand shouted, "Campbell, you black b@st@rd", when DJ Campbell came on as a sub against us. The whole stand went quiet before others started shouting at the chap who had abused DJ and rightfully let him know that should behaviour was wrong and would not be tolerated.
"WHY.......would anyone NOT allow others to express their support"
I stand corrected but I have yet to see anybody being not allowed to express their support. There are some people who don't agree with the whole "taking the knee" thing and some might think that it gets in the way of the footbalI ? I think there is a bigger problem with players being forced to express their support, I have no doubt that some players will feel that they have been forced to join in the whole thing and I have no doubt that some might choose to dis me for making this suggestion. Before ridiculing my suggestion it may be an idea to consider the backlash faced by the players and clubs of QPR and Coventry City after they decided not to "take the knee" before their game on Friday night. Mark Warburton faced ridiculous accusations of racism later on but luckily he is clearly a very good communicator and he was easily able to show the interviewer chap from Sky up for what he was.
"WHY.......well......Luckily, the majority of Football fans agree and are happy for players to take the knee and support them"
I am not sure what the majority of football fans think on the matter but personally I am not going to change my views based on the views of others and I am not going to stop somebody from protesting whether the majority agree with them or not. I would also never consider anybody who refused to support a specific demonstration against something as being complicit in whatever that protest was against.
"If you don't agree.....I'm sorry, you're just wrong on so many levels......but I don't care and i'm not bothered about you....you're just a nasty throw back that's dying out and will never get any support"
That's a very interesting view, especially when we consider that you have just chosen to lecture us on intolerance.
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EagleDay
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Excellent breakdown 2020, good last point. Plenty of people judging me simply because of my avatar name and and my belief we should not be copying the American protests with all it's dangerous influences, especially when we have our own truly "peaceful" campaign.
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Halifax71
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Excellent summary. The issue is you felt the need to have to explain. That's the whole point that's been mentioned a few times on here, anyone who doesn't comply is rounded on.
I'll say it again, this has to stop.
SEASIDE2020
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I thought your avatar was a comic to be honest.
I have probably said too much, all I really wanted to say is that it's perfectly possible to criticise this "take the knee" thing without being racist.
Eternaloptimist
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i just wonder how many footballers don't necessarily believe in BLM (and by that I mean the lefties who are pushing it at every opportunity) but are without doubt under unprecedented pressure to follow suit and do it with their team mates.
Can you imagine the uproar if, for instance, just one single player refused to take the knee?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered by the media and labelled as racist. But can anyone tell me why would it be construed as a racist act? Nothing at all to do with racism.
And does anyone think that "taking the knee" makes a difference to anything?
Not one iota!
Can you imagine the uproar if, for instance, just one single player refused to take the knee?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered by the media and labelled as racist. But can anyone tell me why would it be construed as a racist act? Nothing at all to do with racism.
And does anyone think that "taking the knee" makes a difference to anything?
Not one iota!
EagleDay
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A shame so many people cannot accept that.
SEASIDE2020
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Exactly and was just saying as much above before I saw your post.
1966_and_all_that
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For me, Mammoth has it right. I'm past debating it with those on here who won't see it for what it really is. You can be as determined as you want to argue yourselves into the ground. I've had it with you.
Taking your ball home? You sound like a spoiled brat to me.
20togo
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Just perhaps it's you who won't see it for what it really is! It's not just people on this forum you know. It's professional people involved in the game.
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Wizaard
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And what would that be? I'm failing to see what the issue here is.
Wizaard
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Doesn't help at all. I'm at a loss as to why people would be offended by players taking the knee before kick off.
Genuinely, what's the problem? Given that 7 of Blackpool's starting line up were black, I can't imagine the team were 'under orders' and 'pressured' to take the knee.
The ones with the closed minds are those who turned their backs on it, for starters. As for trying to compare BLM with the Nazis...
20togo
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It's not about being offended by it, it's about the length of time it needs to carry on. And that is what is starting to be questioned. And that's the debate with differing opinions on it. But it seems unless you're on woollys and 66's side of the debate you're labelled as racist, wrong and everything else.
Wizaard
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Yes, it's really dragging on. That's once at Bloomfield Rd. Once for maybe 10 seconds.
Why do we still have a minute' s silence in November? We've done it now, let's move on.
20togo
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Do you mean Les Ferdinand?
Wizaard
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Does it matter what either of them think?
20togo
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Disgraceful comparison.
It's a fact the issue of whether it should continue is being discussed and like I said people are beginning to question it. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Recidivist3
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Have you tried reporting it to the mods, 20’s, that might work 
Oops pardon me for not constantly watching SSN. Just caught Ferdinand mentioned, my humble apologies for picking the less intelligent of the 2, I should have realised.
Woolly Mammoth
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The question of whether or not it's run its course is a valid topic and I might possibly agree with that. My issue was with the people we see on every racism thread, on this one it was those saying it's "discusting", those linking it to Black Lives Matter and saying it's political when this season taking a knee is for "no room for racism".
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20togo
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i was simply asking if you meant Les because as you say he is the one in the news on the subject. But if you want to take the piss I'll gladly take the piss back. You forgot Anton Ferdinand so there's three.
seasideone
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Would anyone object if we took the knee on KOKO or Owen?
For the avoidance of doubt and for all the easily offended on here - it’s a joke, that is intended (whether or not it does) to make people smile.
If you don’t know - Smile is a setting on your face when you are happy - I know that’s difficult for the Wokes but one day they may even smile as well
For the avoidance of doubt and for all the easily offended on here - it’s a joke, that is intended (whether or not it does) to make people smile.
If you don’t know - Smile is a setting on your face when you are happy - I know that’s difficult for the Wokes but one day they may even smile as well
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