Astra Zeneca suspended

Lala said:
Don’t apologise, you’re only imparting knowledge 👍
I don’t know which one I’m having yet but I’m going to have it anyway and hopefully all will be absolutely fine 👌
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37 people reported blood clots across the EU and UK from 17 million jabs. There is no suggestion of causal link. You'll be fine 👍
 
I see Macron has folded. The EU have told them to get on with giving the vaccine. Total waste of time
 
If anyone needs reminding of why it’s so important to get the vaccine The story of us on ITV now is a good watch.
 
JJpool said:
www.thesun.co.uk

Italy & France resume AstraZeneca rollout after admitting ban was political

ITALY and France will “quickly” resume giving out the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine once the European regulator gives the all-clear. They were among 20 European countries to suspend the us…
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mobile.reuters.com

Suspension of AstraZeneca shots is 'political decision': Italy's medicines regulator head

The decision by Germany, France and Italy to suspend AstraZeneca's COVID-19 shots after several countries reported possible serious side-effects is a "political one", the director general of Italy's medicines authority AIFA said on Tuesday.
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You’re very gullible, aren’t you JJ
 
rease4 said:
If anyone needs reminding of why it’s so important to get the vaccine The story of us on ITV now is a good watch.
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👍those countries that suspended the AZ vaccine have all got their own covid horror stories shame the political decisions they made prevented the vaccine being offered to many millions who probably needed it the most.
 
Pathetic politics from the eu, they haven't like this vaccine from the start, havent liked the fact they didn't get as much as they wanted.

Talked down about it at every turn, then countries begun chain reaction of stopping it based on no evidence which only hurts their vaccination plan further.

They are looking awful in this IMO.

It doesnt look good when we have just got a massive shipment of over 10 million doses and set to increase numbers drastically.

Luckily we have ploughed on ahead and not stopped because of this but not sure if this was intended to dent confidence in the vaccine, which again only hurts themselves too.

All in all, they have been rather useless with their vaccination programmes.
 
JJpool said:
Pathetic politics from the eu, they haven't like this vaccine from the start, havent liked the fact they didn't get as much as they wanted.

Talked down about it at every turn, then countries begun chain reaction of stopping it based on no evidence which only hurts their vaccination plan further.

They are looking awful in this IMO.

It doesnt look good when we have just got a massive shipment of over 10 million doses and set to increase numbers drastically.

Luckily we have ploughed on ahead and not stopped because of this but not sure if this was intended to dent confidence in the vaccine, which again only hurts themselves too.

All in all, they have been rather useless with their vaccination programmes.
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The only winners in this yet again and pathetic attack on AZ are the anti vaxxers!
 
There's only one EU politician more of an arse than Macron and that's Europe Minister Clement Beaune. He just staggers from one disaster to another trying to badmouth the UK.Is this the end of the anti-UK posturing? Not a chance.
 
I don’t suppose they will appear remotely grateful for AZ/Oxford allowing them to purchase & use the vaccine, because a French vaccine doesn’t appear to be galloping over the hill to save the day anytime soon.
If they spent half as much effort developing a solution as they do bad-mouthing the U.K., they’d be a damn sight further along vaccinating their population.
 
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tangerine_neil said:
Some key extracts from that AZ report:

“A careful review of all available safety data of more than 17 million people vaccinated in the European Union (EU) and UK with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or thrombocytopenia, in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country.”

“So far across the EU and UK, there have been 15 events of DVT and 22 events of pulmonary embolism reported among those given the vaccine, based on the number of cases the Company has received as of 8 March. This is much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size and is similar across other licensed COVID-19 vaccines.”

Ann Taylor, Chief Medical Officer, said: “Around 17 million people in the EU and UK have now received our vaccine, and the number of cases of blood clots reported in this group is lower than the hundreds of cases that would be expected among the general population. The nature of the pandemic has led to increased attention in individual cases and we are going beyond the standard practices for safety monitoring of licensed medicines in reporting vaccine events, to ensure public safety.”
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One thing that is interesting from that report which hasn't been picked up in the thread discussion is at the end of the second paragraph - "and is similar across other licensed COVID-19 vaccines". I don't see them suspending the Pfeizer and other vaccines because of similar safety concerns, do you? There is clearly an agenda here and one that is not driven by the evidence. Macron allegedly suspended it simply because Merkel had done so and without any medical or scientific evidence. Weeks earlier, they had both very publicly questioned the efficacy and safety of the AZ vaccine for the over 65s. Again when there was scientific and medical evidence to the contrary and a decision they reversed, but without any public fanfare.
This is all about politics and trying to paper over the cracks of an extremely poor EU vaccine roll out. If it was about the health of their populations then they would not have supplies of unused AZ. But then, when has the EU been concerned about the people. The tragedy is that their unsubstantiated public statements will probably mean more of their people will not have the vaccine and there will be more deaths.
 
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bfcpete said:
One thing that is interesting from that report which hasn't been picked up in the thread discussion is at the end of the second paragraph - "and is similar across other licensed COVID-19 vaccines". I don't see them suspending the Pfeizer and other vaccines because of similar safety concerns, do you? There is clearly an agenda here and one that is not driven by the evidence. Macron allegedly suspended it simply because Merkel had done so and without any medical or scientific evidence. Weeks earlier, they had both very publicly questioned the efficacy and safety of the AZ vaccine for the over 65s. Again when there was scientific and medical evidence to the contrary and a decision they reversed, but without any public fanfare.
This is all about politics and trying to paper over the cracks of an extremely poor EU vaccine roll out. If it was about the health of their populations then they would not have supplies of unused AZ. But then, when has the EU been concerned about the people. The tragedy is that their unsubstantiated public statements will probably mean more of their people will not have the vaccine and their will be more deaths.
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Correct Pete easier to divert blame than admit you got it wrong in the first place the UK seems to at the end of it which is making the EU look foolish.
 
In Germany, France and Italy where cases are on the increase this purely political decision against their medical and scientists advice is criminal at the very least in denying their public the right to be offered the AZ vaccine. If those countries that suspended the vaccine albeit for a few days, think for one moment they can suddenly turn the tap back on from tomorrow with people rushing to vaccine centres, they’d better think again. They have deliberately and politically undermined their public confidence in the AZ vaccine that will take weeks if not months to recover from, in the meantime cases rise with increase in deaths inevitable.
 
At the end of the day they aren’t succeeding in discrediting the U.K., because at every turn with this saga they are ending up with egg on their faces.
As you say it’s chest puffing politics at the expense of their own nations health. It’s damaging the Union long term, not Britain.

We should, and will, just carry on with our own roll out and stay focussed on that. Keep our own house in order and let them mess about with theirs if they want to play politics with lives.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
I don’t think it’s just about discrediting the U.K but more about covering up their own inadequacies regarding their vaccination programmes.
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True OL but at what point do they stop digging the hole? These decisions on suspending the AZ vaccine have been taken independently of the EU Commission who are wholly responsible for the shambolic vaccine procurement programme. It really is a mess over there but it needs sorting out rather than throwing grenades at everything UK.
 
A scientist speaking on BBC yesterday came up with a statistic that I found hard to believe, so I played it back again to make sure I heard it correctly. What he said was

"Every 100 people vaccinated one day earlier saves 15 lives"

I'm still not sure how that works but that's what he said. If it's even remotely accurate then the games played by European leaders is resulting in many unnecessary deaths.
 
tommytwojags said:
A scientist speaking on BBC yesterday came up with a statistic that I found hard to believe, so I played it back again to make sure I heard it correctly. What he said was

"Every 100 people vaccinated one day earlier saves 15 lives"

I'm still not sure how that works but that's what he said. If it's even remotely accurate then the games played by European leaders is resulting in many unnecessary deaths.
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It’s inevitably leading to deaths ttj, the stat l heard this morning on the news was that for every million vaccinated saves a thousand lives, and this from a scientist who sits on the JCVI Sub Committee!
 
According to a report by Katya Adler,

Nicola Magrini, the director-general of Italy's medicines authority AIFA, believes the jab is safe and the benefit-risk balance "largely positive"
He told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica: "We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations, to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one."

Whichever way you look at this it's Germany and France that are the problem.
 
Tangojoe said:
According to a report by Katya Adler,

Nicola Magrini, the director-general of Italy's medicines authority AIFA, believes the jab is safe and the benefit-risk balance "largely positive"
He told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica: "We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations, to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one."

Whichever way you look at this it's Germany and France that are the problem.
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True enough, so not the EU 😂
 
Wizaard said:
True enough, so not the EU 😂
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It’s started according to the Daily Mail:

Europe's vaccine civil war: Leaders turn on each other as Brussels calls for AstraZeneca roll-out to continue, Poland accuses bloc of 'giving in to panic' and Italy and France signal U-turn​

  • European leaders are at loggerheads over the decision of 19 countries to halt the use of AstraZeneca jabs
  • Brussels urged the bloc to push ahead with the jabs to protect people with a third Covid wave looming
  • Poland also vowed to continue using Astra, accusing other leaders of 'giving in to panic' and disinformation
  • Meanwhile Germany's health minister faced calls to resign over his handling of the crisis and decision to block the jabs, and Merkel's CDU part slumped to its lowest poll rating of the entire pandemic
 
tommytwojags said:
A scientist speaking on BBC yesterday came up with a statistic that I found hard to believe, so I played it back again to make sure I heard it correctly. What he said was

"Every 100 people vaccinated one day earlier saves 15 lives"

I'm still not sure how that works but that's what he said. If it's even remotely accurate then the games played by European leaders is resulting in many unnecessary deaths.
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I'm pretty sure I've heard the statistic elsewhere and it's every 100,000 vaccinations one day earlier saves 15 lives.

Say 500/100k cases thus 500 extra cases per week, 20% fatality rate would be 100 deaths over 7 days ~ 15 deaths.

The numbers are towards the top end of reasonable estimates, but I suppose if you're talking about over 80s in a country or area with very high infection rates I suppose it's plausible, I guess it describes the situation in parts of the UK in early January or perhaps the Czech Republic and other parts of E. Europe now.
 
all rather embarrassing for the EU and the remainers on here who tried to justify it. The EU heavyweights Germany and France pressurising the lesser EU nations within the framework in order to try and criticise the UK.
 
Tangojoe said:
According to a report by Katya Adler,

Nicola Magrini, the director-general of Italy's medicines authority AIFA, believes the jab is safe and the benefit-risk balance "largely positive"
He told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica: "We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations, to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one."

Whichever way you look at this it's Germany and France that are the problem.
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Wizaard said:
True enough, so not the EU 😂
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You should know by now Wiz. The problems are not the EU, but the European Commission and the forces behind the EC, namely France and Germany. 25 other countries have had to do what they are told, but it's reassuring to see some of them now refusing to kowtow. That suggests there is some hope for the future of the lumbering sloth that is the EU.
 
Tangojoe said:
You should know by now Wiz. The problems are not the EU, but the European Commission and the forces behind the EC, namely France and Germany. 25 other countries have had to do what they are told, but it's reassuring to see some of them now refusing to kowtow. That suggests there is some hope for the future of the lumbering sloth that is the EU.
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We should have been in there fighting for our product, not having it traduced from the sidelines, but that's another conversation about how weve ceded any kind of control and influence
 
EU (von der Leyen) now threatening to block exports of vaccines from Europe to other countries who have a higher vaccination rate to those in the EU, which can only mean the UK. 19 out of the 27 EU countries have suspended the use of the AZ vaccine and now they want to ban exports, you really couldn’t make this fiasco up and it’s causing nothing but friction between the EU and the UK.
 
TangerineBayern said:
EU (von der Leyen) now threatening to block exports of vaccines from Europe to other countries who have a higher vaccination rate to those in the EU, which can only mean the UK. 19 out of the 27 EU countries have suspended the use of the AZ vaccine and now they want to ban exports, you really couldn’t make this fiasco up and it’s causing nothing but friction between the EU and the UK.
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Interesting that we're back to this again, if they tried to do this, surely the Northern Ireland backdoor problem still remains? So not sure how they can enforce it without damaging the Good Friday Agreement/Northern Ireland protocol, the last time they tried to solve this problem they ended up with egg on their face.
 
BWseasider said:
Interesting that we're back to this again, if they tried to do this, surely the Northern Ireland backdoor problem still remains? So not sure how they can enforce it without damaging the Good Friday Agreement/Northern Ireland protocol, the last time they tried to solve this problem they ended up with egg on their face.
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I’m struggling with their logic BW if they continue threatening to stop exporting it will cost lives, they screwed up by not placing timely contracts with AZ and the contract is best endeavours only with no fixed schedule. That said it’s important that all countries get vaccinated as quickly as possible but not with these aggressive tactics.
 
UVDL now threatening to stop vaccines going to countries who are doing well , I wonder who she means 🤔
 
UK government now saying there is about to be a significant reduction in AZ vaccines due to an import problem. Not been following politics recently but I thought the AZ vaccine was manufactured in the UK. Seems we have been getting them from the EU after all.

Would be a bit of a shame if they go unused in the EU due to attitudes against it when they would be used in the UK if allowed to be exported.
 
If anyone ever needed convincing how determined the European Commission is to punish the UK, the evidence today couldn't be clearer. The EU vaccine rollout has failed miserably and the AZ vaccine has been suspended or wasted in most member states. However, the EC is threatening to block supplies of vaccines to the UK for the sole purpose of slowing down the UK's successful rollout because it's drawing too much criticism onto the EU.

Now that the true colours of the EU are there for all to see, I would wager that if there was a Brexit referendum now, the vote to leave would be far more overwhelming than last time.
 
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BigHandsOliverKahn said:
UK government now saying there is about to be a significant reduction in AZ vaccines due to an import problem. Not been following politics recently but I thought the AZ vaccine was manufactured in the UK. Seems we have been getting them from the EU after all.

Would be a bit of a shame if they go unused in the EU due to attitudes against it when they would be used in the UK if allowed to be exported.
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Just been watching France 24

30m doses not being used in the US because it's not been authorised by FDA.

UVDL saying that USA not in breach of reciprocity because EU aren't exporting to the US. But it's not true as millions of doses of both Pfizer and J&J gone to US.

The export ban therefore appears to be targeted at the UK because the EU allege that we have a 'no export' agreement with AZ, but they think that UK produced AZ is part of the EU supply chain.

The chant "you don't know what you're doing" springs to mind.

Meanwhile, Novavax should be coming on stream in April, so the predicted shortage should, hopefully, only be a short while.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
UK government now saying there is about to be a significant reduction in AZ vaccines due to an import problem. Not been following politics recently but I thought the AZ vaccine was manufactured in the UK. Seems we have been getting them from the EU after all.
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Presumably that's Pfizer, although quite what's going on isn't clear.
 
Wizaard said:
We should have been in there fighting for our product, not having it traduced from the sidelines, but that's another conversation about how weve ceded any kind of control and influence
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Nonsense. We've developed a vaccine which is being rolled out to the residents of the UK. What should we be fighting for? The EU either want it or they don't. They either put lives first or they don't. At the moment they seem to want to put the politics first and that could well be costing many lives across Europe.Sure, our govt has made mistakes, some big ones, but not for the pettiness that the EU and it's major players are showing. An organisation now showing it's true colours and something you want to be part of.
 
seasideone said:
Trust me - German efficiency is a great marketing ploy of the Germans - it does not exist!!

I lived there for a while and it was absolutely the opposite.
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My friend in Frankfurt said today that his jab was delayed (date now to be confirmed) as the centre has run out of plasters.

Of course he offered to bring his own but apparently not accepting such slips in standards..... He’s German btw so it’s not an little Britisher thing.

Also he was saying they are sticking rigidly to the age bandings even if stock is wasted. Not a happy hunny to say the least 😂😂😂
 
Chunkylad said:
My friend in Frankfurt said today that his jab was delayed (date now to be confirmed) as the centre has run out of plasters.

Of course he offered to bring his own but apparently not accepting such slips in standards..... He’s German btw so it’s not an little Britisher thing.

Also he was saying they are sticking rigidly to the age bandings even if stock is wasted. Not a happy hunny to say the least 😂😂😂
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They dont put plasters on at Winter Gardens....quick press with a bit of cotton wool for 3 seconds a and away you go.....it’s only a needle they’re putting in not a screwdriver
 
tangerinenotorange said:
If anyone ever needed convincing how determined the European Commission is to punish the UK, the evidence today couldn't be clearer. The EU vaccine rollout has failed miserably and the AZ vaccine has been suspended or wasted in most member states. However, the EC is threatening to block supplies of vaccines to the UK for the sole purpose of slowing down the UK's successful rollout because it's drawing too much criticism onto the EU.

Now that the true colours of the EU are there for all to see, I would wager that if there was a Brexit referendum now, the vote to leave would be far more overwhelming than last time.
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Of that there is absolutely no doubt in my mind
 
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