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Grow up and post what you mean in a way that we can understand. His name is Keir and you impress no-one with calling him Keith.
Who's 'we'? The post couldn't be any plainer or easier to understandGrow up and post what you mean in a way that we can understand. His name is Keir and you impress no-one with calling him Keith.
We as in the posters on this message board.Who's 'we'? The post couldn't be any plainer or easier to understand
Boris got this decision right. Keith got this one hopelessly wrong.Whilst you are demanding apologies from the Leader of the Opposition, perhaps you should also be asking one from the person who has been making all the decisions for the last 18 months or so!
Has 'Boris' apologised for the times he got it so very, very wrong?Boris got this decision right. Keith got this one hopelessly wrong.
We are at least a week away from knowing what the impact of the lifting of lockdown might be. This could go either way yet, so our anti-vax OP needs to rein himself in a bit for now.
Quite a lot of testing not being done now all the kids are off school, but aren’t we still waiting on ONS findings to be released?We are at least a week away from knowing what the impact of the lifting of lockdown might be. This could go either way yet, so our anti-vax OP needs to rein himself in a bit for now.
Occupancy of mechanical ventilation beds has risen by 31% and other bed occupancy by 33% over the last week.The true test is whether hospitalisations follow.
If they start reducing, well it means the decision was correct.
Yes, they should take their advice from AVFTT where people have far more knowledge, or at least they seem to think they do.Hopefully this can usher in a sea change in attitude from politicians who blithely talk of restrictions with little consideration for the wider effects of their proposals. Especially off the back of expert advice that is far from it.
are you talking just about covid because there's quite a few other topics the know alls of AVFTT think they are the true experts with all the knowledge?Yes, they should take their advice from AVFTT where people have far more knowledge, or at least they seem to think they do.
And some of those know alls have a habit of getting most things wrong. One know all in particular No names mentionedare you talking just about covid because there's quite a few other topics the know alls of AVFTT think they are the true experts with all the knowledge?
Agree. Many, many unknowns. That's why I get annoyed when the Profs come on breakfast telly spouting their own brand of religiosity. eg:You lot are getting far too hung up on facts and figures, no one is completely sure how these are arrived at, even the people who collect the data, there's literally only one factor to look at, are admissions WITH Covid going up or not, everything else is just static.
"Looks like it might rain later"
AVFTT: "Are you a meteorologist or something?"
School closures were known so should've been baked into any prediction surely? It just bugs me that so much weight is put on the views of these people and they are almost always out by various orders of magnitude. On this occasion the advice has been not just out but plain wrong.Personally I think it's too early to call the impact of the relaxation as there is always a delay
The closure of schools ( the undoubted super spreader ) will help
Let's hope the rates keep dropping
Covid zero doesn't exist; it never will.Occupancy of mechanical ventilation beds has risen by 31% and other bed occupancy by 33% over the last week.
there's literally only one factor to look at, are admissions WITH Covid going up or not, everything else is just static.
More than half of Covid patients in hospital 'tested positive after admission'
The data reportedly show that, as of last Thursday, 44 per cent of patients who were classed as being hospitalised with Covid had tested positive by the time they were admittedwww.google.com
How are these clowns still getting airtime?School closures were known so should've been baked into any prediction surely? It just bugs me that so much weight is put on the views of these people and they are almost always out by various orders of magnitude. On this occasion the advice has been not just out but plain wrong.
Spot on. We're ** done.How are these clowns still getting airtime?
It’s like the guy in the pub who’s got a red hot tip having a slot on ITV Racing.
I don’t disagree. But I was responding to a post that said “the true test is whether hospitalisations increase”. I was just pointing out that they seem to be.Covid zero doesn't exist; it never will.
So we are the position of what is acceptable.
So, an increase which goes from 100 to 130 for 1000 to 1300, or 10000 to 13000 is completely different.
I accept that for those individuals who are involved it's horrific, but at population scale, there has to be an acceptability that some will be unlucky.
I think we are on the side of acceptability.
Whether we remain there, is the billion pound question.
I find your attempt to introduce a note of solemnity insincere.I don’t disagree. But I was responding to a post that said “the true test is whether hospitalisations increase”. I was just pointing out that they seem to be.
Hopefully we’re on the right course but given the uncertainty about what’s behind the fall, my feeling is that it’s a bit early to be getting out the bunting and celebrating. The government, with its ultra cautious response to the falling numbers, seems to think the same.
And given the number of dead I don’t think the “yah boo - we were right all along” triumphalism that we’re getting from the anti vaxxers will ever be the right response.
I don’t disagree. But I was responding to a post that said “the true test is whether hospitalisations increase”. I was just pointing out that they seem to be.
Hopefully we’re on the right course but given the uncertainty about what’s behind the fall, my feeling is that it’s a bit early to be getting out the bunting and celebrating. The government, with its ultra cautious response to the falling numbers, seems to think the same.
And given the number of dead I don’t think the “yah boo - we were right all along” triumphalism that we’re getting from the anti vaxxers will ever be the right response.
And I’m just saying celebrations are a bit premature, a view shared by the government it seems.I'm double vaccinated and grateful, and I hope what we are seeing is the equivalent of the VE day celebrations.
When the war was won, the people had a party; I feel it's just an overwhelming sense of relief; I don't think they forgot about the millions who had died.
I think what we see seeing is the equivalent of that.
Life is getting back to normal, fewer people are dying - it's worth celebrating.
Seems a fair summary to me and much more sensible than the op’s ramblings.Even the deniers know isn’t isn’t over and will be with us for many years, it’s all about how we can live with it without wearing masks and keeping our distance, although I’m in favour of the latter sometimes.
Imo, cases are falling due to schools closing, therefore less testing, people deleting the app because they don’t want to get pinged, and people on holiday, whether here or abroad who are probably not going to get tested while they’re away.
Due to the lag, hospitalisations will increase as will sadly deaths in the next couple of weeks, and I expect cases will start to rise again next week, if not later this week because the effect of July 19th has not come through yet.
I was off work yesterday and everywhere I went there were more people without masks then I saw in the early part of last week.
They think it’s all over, I hope they’re right.
It's a shame that you feel the need to put your party allegiance and ego front and centre on this one. Any comment on the scientific advice or politicians calling for unnecessary damaging restrictions or do you think by having a pop at me, you can keep your core beliefs in tact? Others have alluded to Euro 2020/schools closing so at least make some sort of effort to tackle the issue. Though I'd say Scottish schools closed last month and if the experts hadn't considered these things in their calculations, they aren't worth listening to. Not that I listen to them anyway.Seems a fair summary to me and much more sensible than the op’s ramblings.
I’ve voted Labour but I’ve also voted Lib Dem and Green so I don’t have any particular allegiance to the Labour Party. If anyone is trying to make this a party political issue it’s you in the op.It's a shame that you feel the need to put your party allegiance and ego front and centre on this one. Any comment on the scientific advice or politicians calling for unnecessary damaging restrictions or do you think by having a pop at me, you can keep your core beliefs in tact? Others have alluded to Euro 2020/schools closing so at least make some sort of effort to tackle the issue. Though I'd say Scottish schools closed last month and if the experts hadn't considered these things in their calculations, they aren't worth listening to. Not that I listen to them anyway.
Are people too invested in government scientific advice? Plenty of stuff for you to go at rather than try and smear me, Mex.
The difference between rain and covid, is you can stick your head out of the window and see the clouds gathering, I'm not sure you can stick your head out of the window and then start pontificating on your observations of covid but it doesn't stop some people. For some people their opinion is a fact."Looks like it might rain later"
AVFTT: "Are you a meteorologist or something?"
This isn't a thread about whether Covid is real, anti-vaxxers and idiots calling for medical staff to be put on death lists though....I’ve voted Labour but I’ve also voted Lib Dem and Green so I don’t have any particular allegiance to the Labour Party. If anyone is trying to make this a party political issue it’s you in the op.
I’m also not especially invested in the government scientific advice, and I expect they’ve made mistakes. But I tend to think they probably have a better handle on the pandemic than the Covid sceptics, deniers, anti vaxxers and idiots calling for medical staff to be put on death lists. I also had a former workmate die of Covid just before Xmas. 63 and a heavy smoker admittedly but no underlying health issues. So I know Covid is real and not some weird made up conspiracy.