Think there's definitely an element of deep-rooted mistrust under the surface for some.Can’t people just take what the current board and owner say at face value or are people automatically cynical towards owners after years of Oyston abuse ?
Well look guys we are ok now - we’ve got a new owner and he has the best interests at heart the pain is over
Ffs this tearing apart of every statement the club makes is tedious
Exactly. They're criticised for not saying anything, so come out and make a statement and then are accused of telling lies, in effect. Taking them at face value is gullible apparently.Can’t people just take what the current board and owner say at face value or are people automatically cynical towards owners after years of Oyston abuse ?
Well look guys we are ok now - we’ve got a new owner and he has the best interests at heart the pain is over
Ffs this tearing apart of every statement the club makes is tedious
Robinson says he would have been paid more with us, but took the easy route and stayed according to Sean McGinley. As I was saying, no.ambition.There you go again taking everything at face value it's no wonder you stuck with the Oystons for so long
As for Oxford I would say they are probably one of the favourites for promotion and if CB also thinks that it's no wonder he's stayed especially if we couldn't or wouldn't match his wage demands
He was evidently very happy there… I can imagine his wife was probably in his ear hole all the way up the motorway “You dare make me and the kids move 200 miles away to bloody Blackpool and that’s it”Robinson says he would have been paid more with us, but took the easy route and stayed according to Sean McGinley. As I was saying, no.ambition.
Woah Voy, you've been trying to use my message to try and prove your point and I've been out working all day so have only seen your comments.We understand why Simms went to Sunderland, but Colby and Brannagan got better offers from clubs in the league below us and they washed over that saying bigger clubs had beaten them to it. Pompy & Oxford bigger clubs????
I see that but if all footballers were the same no one would move anywhere. It's a transient lifestyle, and frankly she may have been like that but had we been offering £14k a week and Oxford £10k she would have been in his ear going on about upgrading the pond to a swimming pool!!He was evidently very happy there… I can imagine his wife was probably in his ear hole all the way up the motorway “You dare make me and the kids move 200 miles away to bloody Blackpool and that’s it”
I think fans sometimes disregard the wider impact of a move, when you are settled in an area.
He’s comfortable there, he’s well thought of in his team, will have a settled home life and a social life locally….
Personally I can understand why he wouldn’t want to move.
Robinson says he was definitely offered more money at Blackpool than Oxford but you can't buy happiness.Woah Voy, you've been trying to use my message to try and prove your point and I've been out working all day so have only seen your comments.
What I said above is it, nothing more and if we take Simms, he chose Sunderland because they are a massive club even though we matched terms, totally understandable.
Bishop may or may not have failed a medical, but at the end of the day he ended up at Ipswich, a league below us and not a bigger club, so we were about to sign him and hey presto he's bak up the M6 on his way to Ipswich. I would say we fucked him about and could have lost him both opportunities by knocking him back, we don't know what the real reasons were but it was a total fuck up.
Brannagan was definitely because he was offered more money back at Oxford, a much smaller club than us but who really wanted him. It just shows money talks and had we offered the same he would have been playing in Tangerine on Saturday.
I've just re-read the article/statement and for me it is really defensive and it just isn't uplifting at all, it's a bit, we'll do what we can but don't expect much on the signings front because we have small amounts of money only. I don't read it and think woohoo, that's exciting, I thought, meh, whupdedo, thanks for that.
I'm not expecting them to pay big transfer fees, a million for us to spend is a big fee and we are making those offers, but we need to start landing some of these players and FFS don't buy players just for the sake of it. I think they should have just kept schtum instead of a statement like that.
We are going to be recovering from what the stains did to our club for a long time and the training ground, East Stand, community pitches, money on the infrastructure is massive and they are doing that, but we are supporters and we want to see the best players we can get play in Tangerine, it's human nature and the disappointment of not landing some players is disappointing.
At the end of the day, maybe I'm more scarred by what has gone before in the previous 50 years, because I am just being cautious/paranoid (delete as appropriate) about what we have and It's going to take some time before I am fully satisfied and I think that's a good stance to take. it doesn't make me right, it's just my opinion, but it's a valid argument and it doesn't bring into question my love for the club, I'm not a robber and whatever other terms have been thrown about. Be glad people like me, Phil, Mac & AK are keeping the balance. We're all Pool fans, we all want what's best for the club but we don't all think the same debate it but let's not get all precious about it.
And you believe thatRobinson says he would have been paid more with us, but took the easy route and stayed according to Sean McGinley. As I was saying, no.ambition.
I haven't read that, I read they had offered more, who knows?Robinson says he was definitely offered more money at Blackpool than Oxford but you can't buy happiness.
The 2 aren't unrelated.Personally I’m more concerned with where we are in 3-5 years time than I am with how we perform in a single transfer window. Progress is rarely linear and we’re going to experience bumps in the road….
Whereas everything you hear is a lie. Conspiracy theorists dream. Prove that it isn't, seeing as you accuse everyone else of having no facts.And you believe that
Talk about gullible
I get the impression that the Oxford money was actually not as much as we offered. So I’m not sure we can really blame the club or question our ambition, it’s just a case that this particular player was very happy where he was and the pull of a higher league and better wage just wasn’t enough.I see that but if all footballers were the same no one would move anywhere. It's a transient lifestyle, and frankly she may have been like that but had we been offering £14k a week and Oxford £10k she would have been in his ear going on about upgrading the pond to a swimming pool!!
I said I have them as one of the favourites, I haven’t once mentioned the bookiesWhereas everything you hear is a lie. Conspiracy theorists dream.
By the way, Ladbrokes have Oxford in the League One odds as 12th. Favourites for promotion my arse.
Or do you not believe that either?
I get the impression that the Oxford money was actually not as much as we offered. So I’m not sure we can really blame the club or question our ambition, it’s just a case that this particular player was very happy where he was and the pull of a higher league and better wage just wasn’t enough.
That’s not always going to be the case, in fact in football it’s probably quite unusual, but it is what it is.
If we struggle to accept that and prefer to create a different narrative that justifies us to point a finger of blame, then that’s fine…
But to my mind I can’t see that the criticism is justified at all. It’s just frustration needing to be vented.
No they’re not unrelated, but as I’ve said, I’m relaxed about things not always going to plan… In fact I’ll go further and say that it’s inevitable that there will be times when things just don’t go for us….The 2 aren't unrelated.
It is a shame that targets have become public in one way because the criticism would be more general and hard to pin had they not been.
For me, once you have your targets and it goes so far then we should be landing them. Someone is paid quite a bit of money to ensure these things happen.
Longer term, as in capital investments in the TG etc, I think we should know what the plan is here in terms of cost and who is paying. I have seen it said that it will be a loan to BFC, which brings obvious questions and possible worries. I genuinely think people underestimate the potential debt.
So, the interview doesn't really tell us anything.
The prices would indicate that 11 teams have a better chance and are called favourites. You don't have 12 favourites in a 24 field.I said I have them as one of the favourites, I haven’t once mentioned the bookies
From what I can gather Karl Robinson had said that the Oxford offer was less than our offer. So that’s probably as close as you’ll get to the truth.In that case, let's hope Josh puts pen to paper on a new 4 year deal with us!!!
There was a lot of info saying he was offered more at Oxford, if he wasn't then he did what he thought was right for his family, I just don't know what's true or not. We aren't privy to any of the figures so we're all speculating I guess.
And tbf there isn't a transfer window we haven't improved or brought in players the manager wanted.They’ll never please a lot of folk and I’m not sure there’s any point worrying about it.
I’m sure there’s plenty of stuff the Club could do better and I’d expect they’ll get better over time.
Personally I’m more concerned with where we are in 3-5 years time than I am with how we perform in a single transfer window. Progress is rarely linear and we’re going to experience bumps in the road….
From what I can see we se to be doing all the things I’d expect a well run club to do. That’s all I’m concerned with at the minute…. I’m realistic about the practicalities of developing a squad with limited resources.
Thats exactly what they aren't doing and why we're finding it harder, we're not going for any old body, we're competing with bigger clubs for better players than we have.I'm not expecting them to pay big transfer fees, a million for us to spend is a big fee and we are making those offers, but we need to start landing some of these players and FFS don't buy players just for the sake of it
Robinson would say that, he’s that type and seems to have an issue with Pool. I’d be very surprised if that was the case. Let’s just consider that Pool offered £14k and he stayed at Oxford for £10k. So he was prepared to give up £200k pa and Championship football, to stay where he’s comfortable. I don’t see that happening.Robinson says he was definitely offered more money at Blackpool than Oxford but you can't buy happiness.
I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth, at the end of the day we will never know.From what I can gather Karl Robinson had said that the Oxford offer was less than our offer. So that’s probably as close as you’ll get to the truth.
Certainly closer than figures which have just been made up. And when you say there was a lot of info saying he was offered more, there was actually none. (Just a lot of wild speculation from people who know nothing).
The Agent also tweeted to similar effect.I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth, at the end of the day we will never know.
Lets see where we are by the end of the window. The O/P was about the article and I still think it was defensive and not what I was expecting. Actually, it was what I expected but I was hoping it would be different.
Exactly. They're criticised for not saying anything, so come out and make a statement and then are accused of telling lies, in effect. Taking them at face value is gullible apparently.
There’s still a month of the transfer window left. I’m going to judge if it’s been a good one or not at the end of August.We have had a poor transfer window simply because we've failed to land many of our top targets, I don't think there's any other way of looking at it. However, they're absolutely right on two points. Firstly, we're being a bit more ambitious in who we go for, like Simms for example. Secondly, we have managed to keep together last years squad. If we sold Bowler, suddenly things change and there's much more urgency and far less room for error.
Interesting few weeks ahead.
Honestly Bifster, I don't believe a word that these interviews or quotes say. They say what they want them to say not nec. the facts.From what I can gather Karl Robinson had said that the Oxford offer was less than our offer. So that’s probably as close as you’ll get to the truth.
Certainly closer than figures which have just been made up. And when you say there was a lot of info saying he was offered more, there was actually none. (Just a lot of wild speculation from people who know nothing).
Yes agree, should've said poor "so far". I'm not panicking, but I stand by my comment that if we start selling players like Bowler, it will become a whole lot more urgent with no room for failure.There’s still a month of the transfer window left. I’m going to judge if it’s been a good one or not at the end of August.
Is the wow signing you teased us with, BA (Before Appy), still a possibility?Honestly Bifster, I don't believe a word that these interviews or quotes say. They say what they want them to say not nec. the facts.
We had 3 window nibbles at CB- he knew what we'd pay and was happy to agree until the last minute. He must have been happy because we kept nibbling and nearly got him. More a case of the scouse ** playing down the wages for obvious reasons.
Anyway a new week, and no reveal of new targets (thankfully) but I'd be surprised if at least 1 didn't come in. Based on no new itk info.
TBH the whole thing makes my head hurt. I’m just not that arsed I suppose.Honestly Bifster, I don't believe a word that these interviews or quotes say. They say what they want them to say not nec. the facts.
We had 3 window nibbles at CB- he knew what we'd pay and was happy to agree until the last minute. He must have been happy because we kept nibbling and nearly got him. More a case of the scouse ** playing down the wages for obvious reasons.
Anyway a new week, and no reveal of new targets (thankfully) but I'd be surprised if at least 1 didn't come in. Based on no new itk info.
Doesn't look like it.Is the wow signing you teased us with, BA (Before Appy), still a possibility?
I find it unsurprising that people ignore what doesn't fit their narrative, calling it, in effect, lies, while continuing to push totally unsubstantiated guesswork. The club are wasting their time trying to explain anything.Robinson would say that, he’s that type and seems to have an issue with Pool. I’d be very surprised if that was the case. Let’s just consider that Pool offered £14k and he stayed at Oxford for £10k. So he was prepared to give up £200k pa and Championship football, to stay where he’s comfortable. I don’t see that happening.
Well said.TBH the whole thing makes my head hurt. I’m just not that arsed I suppose.
I’d rather just take pleasure in whatever happens as opposed to just making myself miserable with something that’s supposed to be enjoyable.
If that makes me one of the “Just happy to be here” types then I suppose I am. But that’s my outlook on life generally… I’m happy to be here
If I stop enjoying the football or it all collapses in around our ears because the new board aren’t up to it, then I’ll just do something else Instead
I’m trying my hardest here to combat what to me feels like unnecessary and unwarranted negativity…. I’m not really sure why …
Think you’ve got me wrong there Wizz, I’m absolutely onboard with the statement, as all my posts demonstrate. My narrative is clear.I find it unsurprising that people ignore what doesn't fit their narrative, calling it, in effect, lies, while continuing to push totally unsubstantiated guesswork. The club are wasting their time trying to explain anything.
None so blind as those who won't see.
Could you be any more full of yourself?I'm not Welsh and to be honest you should all be thankful that I raised the concerns
It's good that they have tried to address my questions from this site
I don't understand the investment bit though as SS has always said he doesn't need outside investment, does he know need it
Why, What's happened?
I can believe it… if I had the choice between £10K per week (and stay where I’m already settled) and £14K per week to move 200 mile. I’d always take the £10K option… in fact it wouldn’t even be a decision I’d have to think about.Think you’ve got me wrong there Wizz, I’m absolutely onboard with the statement, as all my posts demonstrate. My narrative is clear.
My post was about Robinson’s comments. I don’t believe Oxford are paying less than we offered. We did all we can.
£10k a week is still half a million a year.I can believe it… if I had the choice between £10K per week (and stay where I’m already settled) and £14K per week to move 200 mile. I’d always take the £10K option… in fact it wouldn’t even be a decision I’d have to think about.
Giving up £200k a year, perhaps £800k over the life of the contract. It’d be a rarity to stay for that sort of money, particularly as he’s a northern lad. I think Robinson is just trying to make a point that he chose to stay and for less money. Oxford have pushed the boat out to keep him, but it doesn’t matter, it’s history and he’s not our player.I can believe it… if I had the choice between £10K per week (and stay where I’m already settled) and £14K per week to move 200 mile. I’d always take the £10K option… in fact it wouldn’t even be a decision I’d have to think about.
Less thoughtful than I thought you were x3. £10k at a big championship side going nowhere (not up, not down), vs £14k at a club vying for the prem and looking up for it. It's your career...I think you'd move.I can believe it… if I had the choice between £10K per week (and stay where I’m already settled) and £14K per week to move 200 mile. I’d always take the £10K option… in fact it wouldn’t even be a decision I’d have to think about.
By the time you’ve been taxed it’s half that and he must have said a dozen times that he’s very happy and settled in Oxford.£200k a year, perhaps £800k over the life of the contract. It’d be a rarity to stay for that sort of money, particularly as he’s a northern lad. I think Robinson is just trying to make a point that he chose to stay and for less money. It doesn’t matter though, it’s history.
I’ve made the complete opposite move in my career 1966 and taken a drop in salary to move to where I wanted to be.Less thoughtful than I thought you were x3. £10k at a big championship side going nowhere (not up, not down), vs £14k at a club vying for the prem and looking up for it. It's your career...I think you'd move.
I think someone made them up the other day and then just reversed them.Where have these figures come from as I honestly can't see us offering 14k a week for him?
You could be right, it’s just not my experience. It could be that he is being paid less, but received a re-signing bonus. That’s the other way to entice a player.By the time you’ve been taxed it’s half that and he must have said a dozen times that he’s very happy and settled in Oxford.
I’d imagine it’s more common than you think for players (especially if settled with a partner and/or family) to be willing to stay where they are for less money.
They don't like facts to me either.Where have these figures come from as I honestly can't see us offering 14k a week for him?