Simon and Ben on transfers.

Philbfctrois said:
Yep and some of the comments were proper shit

Grandads buying membership cards and using Derby as an example for over spending

Really?
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Do you not think that’s being a bit hyper - critical though. I mean it’s been a tough window and they’re basically trying to respond to quest bring raised…. It’s a written interview, so you don’t get any sense of expression with it and I think sometimes things can get lost in translation… (I’m guilty of that myself on here).

I think they were just giving examples of how fans / locals might get behind the club to do what we all can to try and narrow the financial advantage of rival clubs. Same with Derby… it’s a reasonable enough and recent example of how daft spending can affect a club..

I think they deserve a bit more leeway … They’re under pressure, it’s an attempt to try and temper expectations and let people know that they’re trying to do the right things.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I think after years of the Oystons, fans have every right to want to know what's happening with the club 🤔
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They've made it clear about the intentions / plans for the East Stand and the Training Ground. Although they have kept their cards close to their chest regarding transfers, I would hope that they would be more open once the window has closed. After all, showing their hand could work against the club.

Stop being so bloody demanding and be a little more trusting of our custodians.
 
Philbfctrois said:
How do you know for a fact the details of the Bishop deal?
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Do you think we offered less? That would ridiculous tbh. Its pretty obvious what happened with Bishop. I dont think he was even a major target. If i was going to criticise it would be to ask why we even bid for him.
 
voyeur said:
Do you think we offered less? That would ridiculous tbh. Its pretty obvious what happened with Bishop. I dont think he was even a major target. If i was going to criticise it would be to ask why we even bid for him.
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I don't know neither do you yet you used the word "fact"
 
Interesting stuff.

Avftt is definitely hitting a nerve, you can’t take this place seriously can you? I’m shocked they didn’t mention not taking new players down Central Drive after that thread the other day.

I reckon BM has had enough of being called Bullshit and gone into to see SS to address it 😂

I’m very realistic on where we are & who we are, but then the recruitment team need to be as well and identify how much players actually want before we spend 3 windows publicly chasing them.

Oh and the “we don’t want to do a Portsmouth” is now the “we don’t want to do a Derby”. Shit shout, nobody is expecting us to waste money or throw it at players, sound sensible investment whilst recruiting and selling on at profit. Be interesting to see if or likely when we have tried to offer Josh Bowler a new deal… because we’ve not fully maximised his value, which can happen as the players have the power, we just have to learn from it.
 
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Basically we have a percentage of fans who think we we should walk this league and be in the prem! You can’t have a good stab at the greed league unless he have the gates, which we clearly haven’t and the size of the ground doesn’t allow - hence the future East.
I think this interview was needed to show our fan base just his difficult it is after Covid….. as we all know everything has increased in price - even players!
I’m sure for the hard of reading and the fans who bury their collective heads in the sand, whilst stamping their feet about an overpriced player and subconsciously spending someone’s else’s cash - will be mightily disappointed about that Frank interview!
I for one am very pleased about the sensible approach we are adhering to, whilst following financial fair play rules!

We are a million miles away from where we were, and to fair we’re miles away from where we want to go….. but Rome wasn’t built in a day!
UTMP 👍
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't know neither do you yet you used the word "fact"
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Semantics. Your argument is the usual all round contrary gobshite bullshit.

Herts stated his moan as facts and they are not facts. You can't make things up to use as criticism and expect to be taken seriously.
 
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911_Kirky said:
Basically we have a percentage of fans who think we we should walk this league and be in the prem! You can’t have a good stab at the greed league unless he have the gates, which we clearly haven’t and the size of the ground doesn’t allow - hence the future East.
I think this interview was needed to show our fan base just his difficult it is after Covid….. as we all know everything has increased in price - even players!
I’m sure for the hard of reading and the fans who bury their collective heads in the sand, whilst stamping their feet about an overpriced player and subconsciously spending someone’s else’s cash - will be mightily disappointed about that Frank interview!
I for one am very pleased about the sensible approach we are adhering to, whilst following financial fair play rules!

We are a million miles away from where we were, and to fair we’re miles away from where we want to go….. but Rome wasn’t built in a day!
UTMP 👍
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Quiet right, but I wonder what the club would do if the miracle happened and we got promoted this season.
 
A few thoughts:
  • This interview shows that Simon Sadler is four square with his chosen CEO. Not the dreaded vote of confidence, but instead a sensible and measured dual response to some of the concerns and attendant guff that's been steadily building lately
  • Regarding the quote on capital investment, this surely refers to the two massive capital infrastructure projects we are embarking upon. I'm sure that if either Simon or Ben meant to refer to a requirement for third party investment they would have done
  • Our price band is definitely high for walk ups and away fans. We've had that debate to death already so now let's just see how that goes fora while. Pricing models can be adjusted when needed and successful businesses do this all the time
  • All three board members clearly pay a good deal of attention to social media, including the "considered organ" that is AVFTT. Social media is a Marshall 100 watt amplifier on what most people think. It's also not that long ago that the previous owners were trawling the same places for opportunities to sue decent people. I know which approach I prefer.
 
Sensible response to be fair In the main. I think a statement was needed. Perhaps the fans have to some extent been comparing to last summers deals where we beat other clubs to players and recruited in the main very well and it appeared things wereN’t going as well this summer. It seemed we could not attract players like we had done. Overall I think these concerns have been dealt with in the interview, however perhaps we need to judge at the end of the window. Even then everyone will have their own opinion of course.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Wrong and how can you be sure?

Suggest you look at this Phil. It would suggest we are competitive on playing budget.

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Those figures are nonsense, Florists I know was more like £30m - £40m, nobbers closer to £20m, the financial statements for 2021/22 won't be released until next year so it's all guesswork anyway and not even very good guesses.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I'm not convinced he failed a medical with us but passed one with Portsmouth

Doesn't make sense that mate
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It does if you read the article, they literally state they are stricter than most clubs on the medical side. It may be bollocks to be honest.

Personally I think we are being a bit reactive and don’t believe we have been as intrinsically planned for this season as they said we have. In the Brannigan and Bishop transfers I’m content to believe why.

I also think Brannigan is not remotely ambitious either. Oxford are a small club with a decent top 10 side. They have failed the last two seasons and it’s a gamble to stay there if he wants a career in the prem and championship.

I think the next 4 weeks are the biggest challenge for the club on and off the pitch. A cup run and 2/3 wins will mean a good start.

Remove 2/3 deadwood players. Keep bowler or properly replace him. And improve the squad with quality. Let’s judge at the end of the August.
 
Matesrates said:
Credit where it’s due, they heard the noise coming from fans, and they’ve addressed that. We all know it’s going to take time, as Simon said, we’re up against clubs who are owned by corporations and billionaires, so it’s measured, sensible progress. We can’t ask for more and we’re lucky to have the owner we’ve got. As he said, he’s just a lad from Blackpool, loved that.
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What you should have said is they read some of the rubbish from some of the fans!!
 
Lost Seasider said:
Those figures are nonsense, Florists I know was more like £30m - £40m, nobbers closer to £20m, the financial statements for 2021/22 won't be released until next year so it's all guesswork anyway and not even very good guesses.
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Quite possibly LS, but the point is, we are competitive with clubs of similar size in the Championship. It was mentioned on Sky yesterday that Coventry are down at the bottom in terms of playing budget. Luton were down there too.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Do you not think that’s being a bit hyper - critical though. I mean it’s been a tough window and they’re basically trying to respond to quest bring raised…. It’s a written interview, so you don’t get any sense of expression with it and I think sometimes things can get lost in translation… (I’m guilty of that myself on here).

I think they were just giving examples of how fans / locals might get behind the club to do what we all can to try and narrow the financial advantage of rival clubs. Same with Derby… it’s a reasonable enough and recent example of how daft spending can affect a club..

I think they deserve a bit more leeway … They’re under pressure, it’s an attempt to try and temper expectations and let people know that they’re trying to do the right things.
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Yeah maybe

But using Derby is just a lazy soundbite

Mell Morris spent over 200 million
Torycorner said:
Just leave Welsh Phil alone to “Stew In His Own Piss” like the rest of the “Dead Heads” on this forum……most of them Nobbers no doubt.
UTMP…..OUR Club…Blackpool Owned🧡🧡
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So I'm Welsh, a Nobber, a Dead Head and I was up Oystons arse

Wow you are some kind of confused

See you at Stoke
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't know neither do you yet you used the word "fact"
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I've agreed with you quite a bit recently but you can't post something yourself with the inference it's a fact (eg Championship wages) then criticise others for posting their version of facts and that is a fact.
 
Insider said:
I've agreed with you quite a bit recently but you can't post something yourself with the inference it's a fact (eg Championship.wages) then criticise others for posting facts and that is a fact.
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Where have i stated it's a fact sorry if I have can you share
 
Herts based his criticism on things that he believes are facts but are actually just from his imagination. I was saying that if you are going to criticise the club you need to know the truth. Not make a guess that Pompey offered more, for example.

Which is the kind of bullshit we get on avftt. People going berserk, or just plain moaning, based on assumptions that are wrong. And misunderstandings.

People have misunderstood the investment comment for example, even though its very straight forward. The club is probably best saying very little i think cos stuff gets misunderstood or twisted. The internet has a lot to answer for. Given fools a mouthpiece, in various walks of life. Daft conspiracy theories abound. Muckers get taken in by teenage jokes and lash out at innocent people.
 
voyeur said:
Herts based his criticism on things that he believes are facts but are actually just from his imagination. I was saying that if you are going to criticise the club you need to know the truth. Not make a guess that Pompey offered more, for example.

Which is the kind of bullshit we get on avftt. People going berserk, or just plain moaning, based on assumptions that are wrong. And misunderstandings.

People have misunderstood the investment comment for example, even though its very straight forward. The club is probably best saying very little i think cos stuff gets misunderstood or twisted. The internet has a lot to answer for. Given fools a mouthpiece, in various walks of life. Daft conspiracy theories abound. Muckers get taken in by teenage jokes and lash out at innocent people.
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All of the above are just your opinion though

No different to any other fucker, so why is your opinion fact, yet others are misunderstanding
 
voyeur said:
Herts based his criticism on things that he believes are facts but are actually just from his imagination. I was saying that if you are going to criticise the club you need to know the truth. Not make a guess that Pompey offered more, for example.

Which is the kind of bullshit we get on avftt. People going berserk, or just plain moaning, based on assumptions that are wrong. And misunderstandings.

People have misunderstood the investment comment for example, even though its very straight forward. The club is probably best saying very little i think cos stuff gets misunderstood or twisted. The internet has a lot to answer for. Given fools a mouthpiece, in various walks of life. Daft conspiracy theories abound. Muckers get taken in by teenage jokes and lash out at innocent people.
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I'm surprised (in some ways) that they read the drivel posted on this site.

I suspect they won't for much longer.
 
Macseasider said:
Disappointing to finally read that we do have a small budget and cannot compete with other clubs.

I'm not sure they've openly said this before. So Saddler isn't that rich after all or isn't willing to splash it.
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Yep that's what I also took from it

I've read it back and it looks more like a statement than an interview

Think Scrafton has been had over
 
Philbfctrois said:
They will as they care what fans say
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In the pub after the game you'll get 10 people with 5 different views of the same game.

SS and his team are fans .. just the same as us.

Only difference is that SS is footing the bill for everything beyond a sensible budget based on income and expenditure.

Of course it's unreasonable to expect that there won't be criticism at every turn, it's what football fans do (unless you are winning every game) ... and the internet gives everyone a voice.
 
Philbfctrois said:
So what facts have you posted today?

It really is a simple question
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Wtf are you on about?

The point i made is that Herts criticised the owner based on some assumptions he dreamt up. Which are not facts. And he's probably wrong. Bishop probably wasnt signed for medical reasons. And even if it wasn't that, Herts still guessed something and decide to criticise. You obviously cant see how that is wrong cos you are caught up in the same irregular thought processes. And you never admit you're wrong. Which you frequently are.
 
voyeur said:
Wtf are you on about?

The point i made is that Herts criticised the owner based on some assumptions he dreamt up. Which are not facts. And he's probably wrong. Bishop probably wasnt signed for medical reasons. And even if it wasn't that, Herts still guessed something and decide to criticise. You obviously cant see how that is wrong cos you are caught up in the same irregular thought processes. And you never admit you're wrong. Which you frequently are.
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No you posted what is only your opinion as facts

It's there in black and white fcuk all to do with Herts
 
Macseasider said:
Disappointing to finally read that we do have a small budget and cannot compete with other clubs.

I'm not sure they've openly said this before. So Saddler isn't that rich after all or isn't willing to splash it.
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Is making a bud over a 1 million pound a small budget?
 
I’m happy with the interview and to be perfectly honest they’ve not said anything that someone with a modicum of common sense and a basic understanding of business principles wouldn’t have thought anyway.

What I’m not happy with, and continue to not be happy with, is that the club keep leaving themselves in a position where tensions build amongst the fanbase and negativity runs riot. If the club was communicating better and more professionally in the first place (proactively instead of reactively) then they wouldn’t need to be giving interviews such as these to the Gazette and there wouldn’t be the negativity that currently exists.

Communication and PR are fundamental tools of successful businesses and I feel we’re neglecting that. Perhaps with SS’s background in finance where business takes place in a very secretive manner and Mansford’s background as an agent where he learned that no news is news until it’s official they’re reluctant to communicate as openly as some clubs do but that approach is doing some damage. The responses in the Gazette interview could have been released at the time - and would have calmed a lot of nerves.

I appreciate some on here are happy with limited info but the world is changing and younger generations expect more content, and better communication and they expect it quicker than ever before. I want the club to be the best it can be yet I like to consider myself realistic in how it can achieve that.

Upping their game in terms of commutation and marketing may cost £30k for another full time member of staff but in the grand scheme of things that money could be recouped with positivity and openness paying dividends when it comes to supporter engagement, sponsorship etc. It could certainly do a lot to remove the negativity online.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m happy with the interview and to be perfectly honest they’ve not said anything that someone with a modicum of common sense and a basic understanding of business principles wouldn’t have thought anyway.

What I’m not happy with, and continue to not be happy with, is that the club keep leaving themselves in a position where tensions build amongst the fanbase and negativity runs riot. If the club was communicating better and more professionally in the first place (proactively instead of reactively) then they wouldn’t need to be giving interviews such as these to the Gazette and there wouldn’t be the negativity that currently exists.

Communication and PR are fundamental tools of successful businesses and I feel we’re neglecting that. Perhaps with SS’s background in finance where business takes place in a very secretive manner and Mansford’s background as an agent where he learned that no news is news until it’s official they’re reluctant to communicate as openly as some clubs do but that approach is doing some damage. The responses in the Gazette interview could have been released at the time - and would have calmed a lot of nerves.

I appreciate some on here are happy with limited info but the world is changing and younger generations expect more content, and better communication and they expect it quicker than ever before. I want the club to be the best it can be yet I like to consider myself realistic in how it can achieve that.

Upping their game in terms of commutation and marketing may cost £30k for another full time member of staff but in the grand scheme of things that money could be recouped with positivity and openness paying dividends when it comes to supporter engagement, sponsorship etc. It could certainly do a lot to remove the negativity online.
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Your last para is bang on
 
voyeur said:
No. Herts decided he knew why we didnt sign some people and had a go at the club. Just like you do.
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And you countered with get your facts straight

So I'm asking again what the facts are and how you are privy to such sensitive information

It's not hard to understand 😕

If you don't know then just say
 
traffordtang said:
It’s an interview they didn't need to and probably didn’t want to have to do but it shows they understand the fans and addressing their concerns was important to them. How many other owners/directors would bother.
I don’t think anyone is getting under their skin.
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They’ve done it because they’re addressing the concerns of fans on here, which is about twelve regular users with four accounts each. Are the majority of fans that concerned?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m happy with the interview and to be perfectly honest they’ve not said anything that someone with a modicum of common sense and a basic understanding of business principles wouldn’t have thought anyway.

What I’m not happy with, and continue to not be happy with, is that the club keep leaving themselves in a position where tensions build amongst the fanbase and negativity runs riot. If the club was communicating better and more professionally in the first place (proactively instead of reactively) then they wouldn’t need to be giving interviews such as these to the Gazette and there wouldn’t be the negativity that currently exists.

Communication and PR are fundamental tools of successful businesses and I feel we’re neglecting that. Perhaps with SS’s background in finance where business takes place in a very secretive manner and Mansford’s background as an agent where he learned that no news is news until it’s official they’re reluctant to communicate as openly as some clubs do but that approach is doing some damage. The responses in the Gazette interview could have been released at the time - and would have calmed a lot of nerves.

I appreciate some on here are happy with limited info but the world is changing and younger generations expect more content, and better communication and they expect it quicker than ever before. I want the club to be the best it can be yet I like to consider myself realistic in how it can achieve that.

Upping their game in terms of commutation and marketing may cost £30k for another full time member of staff but in the grand scheme of things that money could be recouped with positivity and openness paying dividends when it comes to supporter engagement, sponsorship etc. It could certainly do a lot to remove the negativity online.
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I had this same conversation with a chap recently 😀😀👍
 
Macseasider said:
Disappointing to finally read that we do have a small budget and cannot compete with other clubs.

I'm not sure they've openly said this before. So Saddler isn't that rich after all or isn't willing to splash it.
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SS has said before he doesn't have the wherewithal to fund us to the next level, aka the prem like some clubs do.

We obviously can't compete with clubs with double our gate or whatever on like for like wages.

But we are going to be smart about it, find gems, sell them on, re invest and work our way up that way.

We're one of the smaller budgets but surely we all knew that given the average attendances, we're near the bottom.

He's putting 7 figures in per year to keep us competitive.

We will grow the revenue and budget over time by hopefully staying in the division and selling players, cup runs etc, reinvesting in better and go again from a higher base, all whilst growing the fanbase.

So we are competitive but at the lower end right now.
 
Philbfctrois said:
It probably is to be honest

It's taken us over 18 months to agree a fee for CB and then we couldn't agree terms

All very small time to be honest Kurt
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Was Herts right to make stuff up and have a go at the club? If you dont know, just say.
 
You can argue all day long about the semantics.

Its basically the club needs capital investment in areas other than on transfer fees and that's where funds will be primarily going.

However if a player comes along who they think is good value for money it will be spent.

Money will not be thrown around.

I wouldnt want it any different.

If people carry on dissecting each and every word SS and BM say and put different alternative spins on it to suit their agenda they will stop talking freely which will be a shame.
 
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