Simon and Ben on transfers.

Adams Kebab said:
Interesting stuff.

Avftt is definitely hitting a nerve, you can’t take this place seriously can you? I’m shocked they didn’t mention not taking new players down Central Drive after that thread the other day.

I reckon BM has had enough of being called Bullshit and gone into to see SS to address it 😂

I’m very realistic on where we are & who we are, but then the recruitment team need to be as well and identify how much players actually want before we spend 3 windows publicly chasing them.

Oh and the “we don’t want to do a Portsmouth” is now the “we don’t want to do a Derby”. Shit shout, nobody is expecting us to waste money or throw it at players, sound sensible investment whilst recruiting and selling on at profit. Be interesting to see if or likely when we have tried to offer Josh Bowler a new deal… because we’ve not fully maximised his value, which can happen as the players have the power, we just have to learn from it.
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If I have any sort of gripe ATM, then it is the "3 windows publicly chasing them". The management does need to be more decisive on targets and move on a bit quicker to the next on the list.
 
Reading the interview, it was a chance for SS/BM to put out what they wanted fans to hear. Audio would have been far bettr where the question could be followed up. For example on the medical, they could then be asked about the specifics and why if it's good enough for one club etc etc. Also on the Capital investment, more information is needed about the structure for loan repayments, because it looks to me like BFC will have a debt of £30-40m presumably over a period beyond the length of SS stay.

Ironic that some fans are happy to have the Club well run and within budget, but cream themselves over a £30-40m debt for the TG that in reality is a white elephant and beyond requirements.
 
fcblackpool said:
Reading the interview, it was a chance for SS/BM to put out what they wanted fans to hear. Audio would have been far bettr where the question could be followed up. For example on the medical, they could then be asked about the specifics and why if it's good enough for one club etc etc. Also on the Capital investment, more information is needed about the structure for loan repayments, because it looks to me like BFC will have a debt of £30-40m presumably over a period beyond the length of SS stay.

Ironic that some fans are happy to have the Club well run and within budget, but cream themselves over a £30-40m debt for the TG that in reality is a white elephant and beyond requirements.
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The training ground is between £10-£15 million. It’s 100 acres of club owned land, and a home for its entire workforce. Hardly a white elephant if used for 50-100 years and can help attract better players, coaches and academy prospects all whilst helping make existing assets (players) better and reducing injuries.

£20-£25 million on the East. The East literally HAS to be replaced or else it will be condemned and closed. Just to replace the stand with the same capacity and add zero facilities (like for like) would be approx £8-£10 million. Without that investment capacity reduces by approx 4,500-5000 which is anywhere between £2-4 million in lost revenue each season. By building added facilities which generate money 365 days a year and by increasing capacity that lost revenue becomes revenue gained - also a building is an asset the club owns - so again NOT a white elephant at all.

East stand could pay for itself within a decade and then become an income generator.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The training ground is between £10-£15 million. It’s 100 acres of club owned land, and a home for its entire workforce. Hardly a white elephant if used for 50-100 years and can help attract better players, coaches and academy prospects all whilst helping make existing assets (players) better and reducing injuries.
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Either way it seems to me that it will be debt, which is OK whilst SS is OK, but if that changes what will the impact be.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The training ground is between £10-£15 million. It’s 100 acres of club owned land, and a home for its entire workforce. Hardly a white elephant if used for 50-100 years and can help attract better players, coaches and academy prospects all whilst helping make existing assets (players) better and reducing injuries.

£20-£25 million on the East. The East literally HAS to be replaced or else it will be condemned and closed. Just to replace the stand with the same capacity and add zero facilities (like for like) would be approx £8-£10 million. Without that investment capacity reduces by approx 4,500-5000 which is anywhere between £2-4 million in lost revenue each season. By building added facilities which generate money 365 days a year and by increasing capacity that lost revenue becomes revenue gained - also a building is an asset the club owns - so again NOT a white elephant at all.

East stand could pay for itself within a decade and then become an income generator.
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How are these projects being funded?
 
fcblackpool said:
why?

A modest TG would suffice. Poolfoot size for example.
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Wait a minute haven’t you and a few others been espousing a mantra of we should be signing highly unaffordable players because we shouldn’t settle for mediocrity now we’re a Championship club.

I’m sorry but I find some of what you and others critic them club on ridiculous. Spending too much money on key infrastructure projects is just one of them.

Fortunately you are just a minority of thoughtless helmets that can’t see the wood for the trees.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Building Poolfoot would cost £7-8 million and it’s not suitable for a top premier league or Championship club - Poolfoot is primarily an entertainment venue - NOT a serious elite training facility.
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Fair point. However, I don't see the future in bringing our own players through- kids would still choose the bigger clubs, so I wouldn't want to see a lot spent on that. better spend on a FT academy recruiter who would know the ins and outs at a lot of the big clubs and maybe we could get the heads up on players being let go at 19, 20 etc.

The TG should also have a commercial viability.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
No idea as to the finer details but SS has said it’s going to be funded by himself and he hopes to get some or all of his money back at some point. I’d take that to be an interest free loan.
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Ok well let's wait and see before we all get giddy then, as I would have thought it would more than likely to a club loan and the clubs responsibilities to service any debt
 
Thatseasider said:
Wait a minute haven’t you and a few others been espousing a mantra of we should be signing highly unaffordable players because we shouldn’t settle for mediocrity now we’re a Championship club.

I’m sorry but I find some of what you and others critic them club on ridiculous. Spending too much money on key infrastructure projects is just one of them.

Fortunately you are just a minority of thoughtless helmets that can’t see the wood for the trees.
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That's just your opinion and to be honest I haven't seen anyone suggesting we sign highly unaffordable players
 
Thatseasider said:
Wait a minute haven’t you and a few others been espousing a mantra of we should be signing highly unaffordable players because we shouldn’t settle for mediocrity now we’re a Championship club.
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Not me thicko. Always spend within your limit, except when there is a real chance of going up or recouping.

The issue I raise could be a fundamental risk to the long term future of BFC. It needs clarity.
 
fcblackpool said:
Fair point. However, I don't see the future in bringing our own players through- kids would still choose the bigger clubs, so I wouldn't want to see a lot spent on that. better spend on a FT academy recruiter who would know the ins and outs at a lot of the big clubs and maybe we could get the heads up on players being let go at 19, 20 etc.

The TG should also have a commercial viability.
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My understanding is that initially the club wanted a facility similar to Poolfoot however also wanted to have training facility appropriate for a Championship / Premier League club as this would mean a) a higher academy rating and therefore a pick of the top talent, b) much larger fees if a big club poached our young talent and c) facilities that would attract the best young talent from Premier League clubs both on permanent and frees. The training ground and facilities are the place where players work 5 days a week and play a big part in securing top loans etc.

The club then decided it was best to separate the community and professional facilities as land was made available at Revoe which can tie in with existing club facilities and thus is better suited for a community facility and this in turn allowed them a better choice of location for the elite training ground too.

It’s easier and more efficient to run the two facilities separately. Also more professional. Premier League footballers really shouldn’t be training and working next door to a family pub / restaurant
 
Having read the article, I’m no more reassured than I was before reading it to be honest. There are some phrases in that lot that could have been drawn directly from “Karl Oystons big book of solvency” and the only difference is we think Sadler is a good egg who has good motives. It’s all the same old platitudes about not overextending, investing in players to sell and to grow the resources pot and things off the field will be expensive to fund. “Every penny to the manager etc etc” We know all this already.

We are clearly in for a few years of step by step progress if things go well ….or a bit of a heavy reliance on loan players to keep us up if we hit trouble. I think we all knew this aswell too….we just got a bit over invested in Ben’ trademark line in bullock droppings.

Also, it could come across as quite a defensive reaction to the internet stuff. The Queen says “Never complain, never explain” and perhaps they should maybe try that when things are looking a bit choppy when they surf the tinterweb.
 
hertfordseasider said:
But we still failed to sign them and they are both playing in league 1.

I just thought it was defensive. I am happy with the signings so far and I have no doubt we will get some more really decent players in before the end of the window I'm just disappointed with our attempts so far and I didn't think it was a particularly uplifting interview.
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One failed a medical with us. Should we have pushed on with it regardless.

Is Brannagan worth breaking the wages structure for? I don't know, but I'm guessing the people who might don't think so. Remember, Appleton has managed him previously.
 
Wizaard said:
One failed a medical with us. Should we have pushed on with it regardless.

Is Brannagan worth breaking the wages structure for? I don't know, but I'm guessing the people who might don't think so. Remember, Appleton has managed him previously.
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When has Michael Appleton managed Cameron Brannagan previously?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Only if the capacity is actually used, with current crowds, if you're only using it 3 - 4 times per season it becomes a lot less.
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That’s true. But if we lost the 5000 capacity East stand due to condemnation (which we will if we don’t replace it). Bloomfield Road has a capacity of 12,500 or so. After segregation that’s likely down below 12,000. We’re then in a very difficult situation in that we have a capacity below demand, are locking fans out and not growing and ultimately are turning money down. The East stand will take a minimum of 3 years to come to fruition. Not building it is much more of a risk than not.

Also it’s worth noting it’s almost impossible for ANY club to actually sell out regardless of capacity as there’s a natural wastage that comes when trying to sell the last 5% of seats due to having limited seats together. So a capacity of 12000 is only ever really going to get you 11500 realistically.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m happy with the interview and to be perfectly honest they’ve not said anything that someone with a modicum of common sense and a basic understanding of business principles wouldn’t have thought anyway.

What I’m not happy with, and continue to not be happy with, is that the club keep leaving themselves in a position where tensions build amongst the fanbase and negativity runs riot. If the club was communicating better and more professionally in the first place (proactively instead of reactively) then they wouldn’t need to be giving interviews such as these to the Gazette and there wouldn’t be the negativity that currently exists.

Communication and PR are fundamental tools of successful businesses and I feel we’re neglecting that. Perhaps with SS’s background in finance where business takes place in a very secretive manner and Mansford’s background as an agent where he learned that no news is news until it’s official they’re reluctant to communicate as openly as some clubs do but that approach is doing some damage. The responses in the Gazette interview could have been released at the time - and would have calmed a lot of nerves.

I appreciate some on here are happy with limited info but the world is changing and younger generations expect more content, and better communication and they expect it quicker than ever before. I want the club to be the best it can be yet I like to consider myself realistic in how it can achieve that.

Upping their game in terms of commutation and marketing may cost £30k for another full time member of staff but in the grand scheme of things that money could be recouped with positivity and openness paying dividends when it comes to supporter engagement, sponsorship etc. It could certainly do a lot to remove the negativity online.
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I really don't want to know the ins and outs of transfers before they happen. There couldn't be a worse negotiating position. They need to tell no one until they're done.

We have no right to expect to know the list of targets.
 
fcblackpool said:
Reading the interview, it was a chance for SS/BM to put out what they wanted fans to hear. Audio would have been far bettr where the question could be followed up. For example on the medical, they could then be asked about the specifics and why if it's good enough for one club etc etc. Also on the Capital investment, more information is needed about the structure for loan repayments, because it looks to me like BFC will have a debt of £30-40m presumably over a period beyond the length of SS stay.

Ironic that some fans are happy to have the Club well run and within budget, but cream themselves over a £30-40m debt for the TG that in reality is a white elephant and beyond requirements.
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If you read between the lines, it says that they have a limited budget to work with, so want to do as thorough medicals as possible.
 
Wizaard said:
I really don't want to know the ins and outs of transfers before they happen. There couldn't be a worse negotiating position. They need to tell no one until they're done.

We have no right to expect to know the list of targets.
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It’s not just transfers as far as I’m concerned but transfers are something I think we could and perhaps should be more vocal about. It doesn’t seem to do clubs like Peterborough much harm. Earlier in the pre-season I was critical of the club for not shouting more about all the positive stuff that was happening.

Once the Brannagan deal became public we were always going to be in a tricky position when it failed to get over the line. I think that’s where the club could have gone on a bit of a PR offensive. I don’t expect them to knock out rumours etc and be as open and vocal as some clubs but perhaps a little more savvy in how they handle stories relating to the club that aren’t necessarily positive. I suppose I’m expecting the club to spin things in their favour a bit. It’s good marketing and as a business / entity which lives and dies to a large degree based on reputation and popularity that’s sensible I think.
 
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Wizaard said:
When he managed Oxford before Lincoln?
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He'd gone by then. Did a Critchley and went to Leicester as assistant manager.

Agree about no need to know targets. Not our business until there's a scarf photo. But it seems to have become difficult to stop leaks coming out on both sides. And also feels like it's suited our lot on a couple of occasions too. Look we're trying PR maybe.
 
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That’s true. But if we lost the 5000 capacity East stand due to condemnation (which we will if we don’t replace it). Bloomfield Road has a capacity of 12,500 or so. After segregation that’s likely down below 12,000. We’re then in a very difficult situation in that we have a capacity below demand, are locking fans out and not growing and ultimately are turning money down. The East stand will take a minimum of 3 years to come to fruition. Not building it is much more of a risk than not.

Also it’s worth noting it’s almost impossible for ANY club to actually sell out regardless of capacity as there’s a natural wastage that comes when trying to sell the last 5% of seats due to having limited seats together. So a capacity of 12000 is only ever really going to get you 11500 realistically.
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I know fans used to stand, most of the ground didn’t have seating, but it makes you wonder how we got 30,000 in, which we did
 
LA1 Seasider said:
That’s true. But if we lost the 5000 capacity East stand due to condemnation (which we will if we don’t replace it). Bloomfield Road has a capacity of 12,500 or so. After segregation that’s likely down below 12,000. We’re then in a very difficult situation in that we have a capacity below demand, are locking fans out and not growing and ultimately are turning money down. The East stand will take a minimum of 3 years to come to fruition. Not building it is much more of a risk than not.

Also it’s worth noting it’s almost impossible for ANY club to actually sell out regardless of capacity as there’s a natural wastage that comes when trying to sell the last 5% of seats due to having limited seats together. So a capacity of 12000 is only ever really going to get you 11500 realistically.
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10,800 on Saturday, a touch disappointing, but whilst the club can do 15,000+ for Lancs/NW teams, there's always going to be Reading/QPR/Brizzle on a Tuesday night in November.

None of which is to say that the East doesn't need to be done, but it's a tough balance when 80% or so of games could be served by the other 3 stands.
 
Saw a twitter comment saying lack of ambition and another saying small club mentality. 😂 (Just to balance out loads seem happy....)

Really not sure what some people want and expect.

Yes some statements might excite fans more but you do that people seem to expect us to be able to be able to compete with far bigger clubs.

They did say the other day....

"Through the new proposed training facilities, we are laying down the framework required to build upon our recent success and support the club’s ambition to bring Premier League football back to Blackpool."

But it's a longer term goal.

The reality is we are trying to grow, we are ambitious for this stage in our redevelopment as a club.

They don't have a small club mentality but a realistic one given our size in the division.

"It’s not that we’ve got a small club mentality, it’s a realistic mentality. You can’t just go from small club to big club overnight, all of this will take a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of hard work and there’s a lot of people working very, very hard to progress this football club."

"The fans really need to know just how hard people at the football club are working because we understand the real importance of not just on the field, but the progression of the club commercially and financially of player trading."

"As we grow our revenue, the best thing we can do is to develop our own talent and as we do that and hopefully make some money, that can be ploughed back in and hopefully we can then pay a little bit more in wages and then we can maybe start to pay more transfer fees and we’ll get into this virtuous circle we’re hopefully getting into."

So it's all about us building on what we have season by season and in time we might have a shot at the prem if things go well, once we have the TG and east in place we'll be far better placed. Although it could happen before but would need another miracle season.

For now I'm excited about competing in the championship, we have a squad that clearly already can compete and we will only add to it. Yes initially its disappointing to miss out on some targets, especially as some seemed done. Also the summer has had a poor feel with the manager leaving unexpectedly, other issues. But ultimately the deals we have done have been decent and the manager we have in plays better football. So on reflection it's not been so bad at all. Some of the deals we missed has reasons behind it, even if chasing Brannagan again may have been a mistake. I'm glad we didn't alter out wage structure for him.

Not sure why some are unhappy with where we are or the article, but I guess twitter isn't really a place all sensible discussion...
 
Lost Seasider said:
10,800 on Saturday, a touch disappointing, but whilst the club can do 15,000+ for Lancs/NW teams, there's always going to be Reading/QPR/Brizzle on a Tuesday night in November.

None of which is to say that the East doesn't need to be done, but it's a tough balance when 80% or so of games could be served by the other 3 stands.
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I think the key thing for me is that as a Championship club there’s going to be 10/15 games this season where if we could/can allow it the away team would bring 4000+ fans. That’s a lot of money to be potentially turning down.
We’re currently getting 10,000-11,000 home fans on a regular basis and for bigger games probably not far off 13,000. If the club grows naturally and the economy improves a bit that will hopefully improve and 15,000 home fans is not unreasonable to believe could be regular thing in the next 5 years.

If Bloomfield Road currently held 25,000 seats, even with the current pricing structure there’s at least 3 games we’d get a gate of 20,000+ this season. On a decent run in the league there’d be a fair few more too.
 
Wizaard said:
One failed a medical with us. Should we have pushed on with it regardless.

Is Brannagan worth breaking the wages structure for? I don't know, but I'm guessing the people who might don't think so. Remember, Appleton has managed him previously.
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All gues work again Wizaard you don't know any of that for sure
 
JJpool said:
Saw a twitter comment saying lack of ambition and another saying small club mentality. 😂 (Just to balance out loads seem happy....)

Really not sure what some people want and expect.

Yes some statements might excite fans more but you do that people seem to expect us to be able to be able to compete with far bigger clubs.

They did say the other day....

"Through the new proposed training facilities, we are laying down the framework required to build upon our recent success and support the club’s ambition to bring Premier League football back to Blackpool."

But it's a longer term goal.

The reality is we are trying to grow, we are ambitious for this stage in our redevelopment as a club.

They don't have a small club mentality but a realistic one given our size in the division.

"It’s not that we’ve got a small club mentality, it’s a realistic mentality. You can’t just go from small club to big club overnight, all of this will take a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of hard work and there’s a lot of people working very, very hard to progress this football club."

"The fans really need to know just how hard people at the football club are working because we understand the real importance of not just on the field, but the progression of the club commercially and financially of player trading."

"As we grow our revenue, the best thing we can do is to develop our own talent and as we do that and hopefully make some money, that can be ploughed back in and hopefully we can then pay a little bit more in wages and then we can maybe start to pay more transfer fees and we’ll get into this virtuous circle we’re hopefully getting into."

So it's all about us building on what we have season by season and in time we might have a shot at the prem if things go well, once we have the TG and east in place we'll be far better placed. Although it could happen before but would need another miracle season.

For now I'm excited about competing in the championship, we have a squad that clearly already can compete and we will only add to it. Yes initially its disappointing to miss out on some targets, especially as some seemed done. Also the summer has had a poor feel with the manager leaving unexpectedly, other issues. But ultimately the deals we have done have been decent and the manager we have in plays better football. So on reflection it's not been so bad at all. Some of the deals we missed has reasons behind it, even if chasing Brannagan again may have been a mistake. I'm glad we didn't alter out wage structure for him.

Not sure why some are unhappy with where we are or the article, but I guess twitter isn't really a place all sensible discussion...
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Glad I don’t do twitter, good post btw
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Building Poolfoot would cost £7-8 million and it’s not suitable for a top premier league or Championship club - Poolfoot is primarily an entertainment venue - NOT a serious elite training facility.
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Poolfoot cost about £10 million pre covid prices and that included the council selling AP the land for £1 I believe
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I think the key thing for me is that as a Championship club there’s going to be 10/15 games this season where if we could/can allow it the away team would bring 4000+ fans. That’s a lot of money to be potentially turning down.
We’re currently getting 10,000-11,000 home fans on a regular basis and for bigger games probably not far off 13,000. If the club grows naturally and the economy improves a bit that will hopefully improve and 15,000 home fans is not unreasonable to believe could be regular thing in the next 5 years.

If Bloomfield Road currently held 25,000 seats, even with the current pricing structure there’s at least 3 games we’d get a gate of 20,000+ this season. On a decent run in the league there’d be a fair few more too.
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We have 8,500 season ticket holders I read Reading sold 1,200 so that's very few walk up sales
 
JJpool said:
Saw a twitter comment saying lack of ambition and another saying small club mentality. 😂 (Just to balance out loads seem happy....)

Really not sure what some people want and expect.

Yes some statements might excite fans more but you do that people seem to expect us to be able to be able to compete with far bigger clubs.

They did say the other day....

"Through the new proposed training facilities, we are laying down the framework required to build upon our recent success and support the club’s ambition to bring Premier League football back to Blackpool."

But it's a longer term goal.

The reality is we are trying to grow, we are ambitious for this stage in our redevelopment as a club.

They don't have a small club mentality but a realistic one given our size in the division.

"It’s not that we’ve got a small club mentality, it’s a realistic mentality. You can’t just go from small club to big club overnight, all of this will take a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of hard work and there’s a lot of people working very, very hard to progress this football club."

"The fans really need to know just how hard people at the football club are working because we understand the real importance of not just on the field, but the progression of the club commercially and financially of player trading."

"As we grow our revenue, the best thing we can do is to develop our own talent and as we do that and hopefully make some money, that can be ploughed back in and hopefully we can then pay a little bit more in wages and then we can maybe start to pay more transfer fees and we’ll get into this virtuous circle we’re hopefully getting into."

So it's all about us building on what we have season by season and in time we might have a shot at the prem if things go well, once we have the TG and east in place we'll be far better placed. Although it could happen before but would need another miracle season.

For now I'm excited about competing in the championship, we have a squad that clearly already can compete and we will only add to it. Yes initially its disappointing to miss out on some targets, especially as some seemed done. Also the summer has had a poor feel with the manager leaving unexpectedly, other issues. But ultimately the deals we have done have been decent and the manager we have in plays better football. So on reflection it's not been so bad at all. Some of the deals we missed has reasons behind it, even if chasing Brannagan again may have been a mistake. I'm glad we didn't alter out wage structure for him.

Not sure why some are unhappy with where we are or the article, but I guess twitter isn't really a place all sensible discussion...
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Agree mate, there’s a lot more than the few moaners on here happy with the way things are going. I can’t believe Simon and Ben even felt like they had to do this interview
 
Martonmosser said:
Agree mate, there’s a lot more than the few moaners on here happy with the way things are going. I can’t believe Simon and Ben even felt like they had to do this interview
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They are all a bit sensitive to critism aren't they?

You should know that from when Brett called me to talk me through the Critchley appointment
 
Martonmosser said:
Poolfoot cost about £10 million pre covid prices and that included the council selling AP the land for £1 I believe
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I was told it was budgeted at £6 million and cost him £8 million. That’s without any sort of indoor facility too and only 3/4 grass pitches. That’s a decade ago so £10 million is about right now. Its an impressive facility but very much a commercial entertainment operation firstly and training facility secondly.

Blackpool FC are looking to build 8 full size grass pitches (double) and an indoor 1/2 size pitch alongside an elite gym, rehab and physio set up. It’s a different set up the Poolfoot and therefore cheaper in some regards as it’s not needing a bar / restaurant etc fitting out nor huge amounts of astroturf but also more expensive in others. Change out of £15 million would be a bargain in my mind. Likely going to be sponsored and I imagine land at Squires gate sold / traded off to the council in return for that at Garstang Road.

At Revoe they’re building 1 full size artificial pitch, and I believe either 2 or 3 7 a side or 5 a side pitches, a Cruyff court and a MUGA. There will also be a changing pavilion and existing stadium facilities will be utilised to support the facility in the same way Poolfoot does. The new East stand will likely contain further purpose built facilities to support the Revoe development. That’s another multi-million pound investment that’s not really getting touched on by a lot of people and that’s on top of Garstang Road and the East.
 
Philbfctrois said:
We have 8,500 season ticket holders I read Reading sold 1,200 so that's very few walk up sales
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From what I saw sitting in the South I reckon approx 800 Reading fans. I’d be surprised if there were over 1000. If everyone was sat right next to everyone else I reckon it would have been about 1/3 full.
 
Philbfctrois said:
They are all a bit sensitive to critism aren't they?

You should know that from when Brett called me to talk me through the Critchley appointment
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Maybe they are, but tbh we probably would be too, if you or I were putting all we can in to running the club sensibly and doing our best to get better players in, improve facilities etc... and got what we felt unfair critism without full knowledge of the actual facts....

Got to be better than some corporation that doesn't care about fan opinion.

At the end of the day, me included, we don't know what its like to run a football club, going up against massive clubs and billionaires, shithouse agents etc.

They won't get everything right but I think looked at over the course of his ownership we're certainly on the right track.

Doesn't mean I can't criticise something, but overall I'll cut them some slack as we know they are doing the best they can to better the club.
 
Philbfctrois said:
All gues work again Wizaard you don't know any of that for sure
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I think the implication on Bishop's medical is pretty clear, and Brannagan on £14,000 a week in League One according to numerous Oxfordshire sources.

Seems that the latter lacks ambition, something you're pretty hot on. Staying in League One at a club who won't go up seems comfort zone material to me.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The training ground is between £10-£15 million. It’s 100 acres of club owned land, and a home for its entire workforce. Hardly a white elephant if used for 50-100 years and can help attract better players, coaches and academy prospects all whilst helping make existing assets (players) better and reducing injuries.

£20-£25 million on the East. The East literally HAS to be replaced or else it will be condemned and closed. Just to replace the stand with the same capacity and add zero facilities (like for like) would be approx £8-£10 million. Without that investment capacity reduces by approx 4,500-5000 which is anywhere between £2-4 million in lost revenue each season. By building added facilities which generate money 365 days a year and by increasing capacity that lost revenue becomes revenue gained - also a building is an asset the club owns - so again NOT a white elephant at all.

East stand could pay for itself within a decade and then become an income generator.
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Might also be looking for investment for developing Squires Gate once vacated if planning permission can be obtained.
 
Wizaard said:
I think the implication on Bishop's medical is pretty clear, and Brannagan on £14,000 a week in League One according to numerous Oxfordshire sources.

Seems that the latter lacks ambition, something you're pretty hot on. Staying in League One at a club who won't go up seems comfort zone material to me.
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Again that's all guesswork

Why would he fail a medical with us but pass another one at Portsmouth

And

You have no idea if Oxford will go up or not, they may replace us then CB would be proven right
 
Philbfctrois said:
Again that's all guesswork

Why would he fail a medical with us but pass another one at Portsmouth

And

You have no idea if Oxford will go up or not, they may replace us then CB would be proven right
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Did you actually read the article? They were clear that we were much stricter with the medical. What standards other clubs follow is down to them.

As for Oxford, of course we don't know now, but I think there are a number of clubs in there who are far better placed to go up. Staying where you are in League One smacks of a lack of ambition, something you accuse our fans of on a weekly basis.
 
Wizaard said:
Did you actually read the article? They were clear that we were much stricter with the medical. What standards other clubs follow is down to them.

As for Oxford, of course we don't know now, but I think there are a number of clubs in there who are far better placed to go up. Staying where you are in League One smacks of a lack of ambition, something you accuse our fans of on a weekly basis.
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There you go again taking everything at face value it's no wonder you stuck with the Oystons for so long

As for Oxford I would say they are probably one of the favourites for promotion and if CB also thinks that it's no wonder he's stayed especially if we couldn't or wouldn't match his wage demands
 
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