If Appleton had have come over to us at the end…..

TBH I genuinely don’t think this Club will go anywhere until our fans sort themselves out.

Why would any manager want anything to do with us. As soon as the going gets a bit tough, we give up and start blaming anyone and everyone.

Shittest Fans in the league this season by a mile…
 
Martonmosser said:
…..would he have got more abuse than he did for not coming over 🤔 Certainly a section of our away crowd who hate him whatever he does
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Which is why when fans turned he probably should have gone.

However, results have improved since the break but a bit fortunate, but performances haven't been the best.

Still some odd decisions though like keeping Beesley on and poveda off, our best player, Beesley was knackered 10 mins later but stayed on another 15.

Thorniley thrown in, ok Garbutt had a yellow, but it wasn't a change that worked at all, especially with Thompson on the bench.

I'll always back the team, but it's clear there's been little connection with fans, predictable given the feelings prior to his appointment and the ways the seasons gone.

But I thought the fans were decent considering, backed the team.

But a big lesson to the board, go against fan will with an unpopular appointment and things don't go well and it's very predictable what will happen.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
TBH I genuinely don’t think this Club will go anywhere until our fans sort themselves out.

Why would any manager want anything to do with us. As soon as the going gets a bit tough, we give up and start blaming anyone and everyone.

Shittest Fans in the league this season by a mile…
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You been hacked Dazzle .😂
 
Be bop deluxe said:
Really! His fault again for the sending off and other sending off, injuries etc hes been dealt a bad han. Ffs
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I think the fact that we have had 7 red cards, 6 away from home, suggests that it's, for want of a better word, cultural.

An average on 1 every 4 every games is far too much.

That said, I don't think there's anything to be gained by hounding him.
 
Let’s be honest we shouldn’t have taken him on in the first place. That’s where this all went wrong. Such an uninspiring appointment at a time when we were accidentally faced with an opportunity to inspire.

It’s not fair to say that some of us who really didn’t want him didn’t give him a chance. A lot of us did, we listened to the supposed reasoning and backed him with hope.

But nothing to date has given us reason to still believe.
 
JJpool said:
Which is why when fans turned he probably should have gone.

However, results have improved since the break but a bit fortunate, but performances haven't been the best.

Still some odd decisions though like keeping Beesley on and poveda off, our best player, Beesley was knackered 10 mins later but stayed on another 15.

Thorniley thrown in, ok Garbutt had a yellow, but it wasn't a change that worked at all, especially with Thompson on the bench.

I'll always back the team, but it's clear there's been little connection with fans, predictable given the feelings prior to his appointment and the ways the seasons gone.

But I thought the fans were decent considering, backed the team.

But a big lesson to the board, go against fan will with an unpopular appointment and things don't go well and it's very predictable what will happen.
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Poveda kept giving the ball away, which led to their goal. Circus tricks aren't required at this stage.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
TBH I genuinely don’t think this Club will go anywhere until our fans sort themselves out.

Why would any manager want anything to do with us. As soon as the going gets a bit tough, we give up and start blaming anyone and everyone.

Shittest Fans in the league this season by a mile…
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It's been poor all round, bar a few games, but I doubt you've sampled each set of fans in each game to make a fair call on shittest fans. Lots of teams have turned on managers who've then been sacked. We've stuck with and prolonged the gloom. Most clubs when the manager loses fans gets rid.

But we're in the silly situation of the board went against fan will and strong feelings, rightly or wrongly, so then would look silly getting rid, so are sticking with.

It's why I said he had to go as it'll never change barring a crazy turnaround in results, which does'nt look likely.
 
Loco said:
Poveda kept giving the ball away, which led to their goal. Circus tricks aren't required at this stage.
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Remember him doing it once 2nd half, not sure it led straight to their goal.

He was a big threat, more than a knackered Beesley.

Many of them at times gave the ball away cheaply.

Patino kept hoofing it aimlessly at times.
 
JJpool said:
Which is why when fans turned he probably should have gone.

However, results have improved since the break but a bit fortunate, but performances haven't been the best.

Still some odd decisions though like keeping Beesley on and poveda off, our best player, Beesley was knackered 10 mins later but stayed on another 15.

Thorniley thrown in, ok Garbutt had a yellow, but it wasn't a change that worked at all, especially with Thompson on the bench.

I'll always back the team, but it's clear there's been little connection with fans, predictable given the feelings prior to his appointment and the ways the seasons gone.

But I thought the fans were decent considering, backed the team.

But a big lesson to the board, go against fan will with an unpopular appointment and things don't go well and it's very predictable what will happen.
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There’s only little connection with the fans because it’s the fans who are disconnecting with him

He hasn’t done anything wrong as far as I can see.

When he came to the club he made a lot of effort to connect went to the Armfield etc

The attitude towards him from the start has been utterly bizarre I’ll never understand it.

I hope he sticks it out does well for us and leaves the haters with egg on their face

What is for certain is that we are in a difficult position and at home and away this team needs to be backed by us or we will be in league 1

If we can get behind them like we did last season we will be in the championship next season if not we will go down . It’s up to us
 
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JJpool said:
Which is why when fans turned he probably should have gone.

However, results have improved since the break but a bit fortunate, but performances haven't been the best.

Still some odd decisions though like keeping Beesley on and poveda off, our best player, Beesley was knackered 10 mins later but stayed on another 15.

Thorniley thrown in, ok Garbutt had a yellow, but it wasn't a change that worked at all, especially with Thompson on the bench.

I'll always back the team, but it's clear there's been little connection with fans, predictable given the feelings prior to his appointment and the ways the seasons gone.

But I thought the fans were decent considering, backed the team.

But a big lesson to the board, go against fan will with an unpopular appointment and things don't go well and it's very predictable what will happen.
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I disagree I think leaving Beasley on and taking poveda off was the right sub he offered more in terms of dog fight and defending set pieces and then attacking corners and crosses ect and the thornily sub is purely hindsight no one had an issue with it when it was made.
 
JJpool said:
It's been poor all round, bar a few games, but I doubt you've sampled each set of fans in each game to make a fair call on shittest fans. Lots of teams have turned on managers who've then been sacked. We've stuck with and prolonged the gloom. Most clubs when the manager loses fans gets rid.

But we're in the silly situation of the board went against fan will and strong feelings, rightly or wrongly, so then would look silly getting rid, so are sticking with.

It's why I said he had to go as it'll never change barring a crazy turnaround in results, which does'nt look likely.
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When the fans start choosing the Managers you are firmly on the merry-go-round .... which is where most on here seem to want us.
 
Lala said:
Let’s be honest we shouldn’t have taken him on in the first place. That’s where this all went wrong. Such an uninspiring appointment at a time when we were accidentally faced with an opportunity to inspire.

It’s not fair to say that some of us who really didn’t want him didn’t give him a chance. A lot of us did, we listened to the supposed reasoning and backed him with hope.

But nothing to date has given us reason to still believe.
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Lala even after we smashed Preston the club the haters think he supports you still still didn’t believe ?
 
AngelBFC said:
There’s only little connection with the fans because it’s the fans who are disconnecting with him

He hasn’t done anything wrong as far as I can see.

When he came to the club he made a lot of effort to connect went to the Armfield etc

The attitude towards him from the start has been utterly bizarre I’ll never understand it.

I hope he sticks it out does well for us and leaves the haters with egg on their face

What is for certain is that we are in a difficult position and at home and away this team needs to be backed by us or we will be in league 1

If we can get behind them like we did last season we will be in the championship next season if not we will go down . It’s up to us

Yes improvements are needed but there’s little point in buying players to stay up if MA just keeps getting hammered regardless
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Doesn't matter how it happened, people didn't like him. Some were just warming, then we went on a terrible run and he lost many.

Hasn't done anything wrong? That's as bad as people saying he's done everything wrong, he's made some mistakes, he is also responsible for some of the dire performances, too many times we looked unorganised.

I agree it's odd that people hated him, didn't bother me and I've always backed the side and tried to get people on board. But theres no point now. Minds were made up and were at Wigan.

Why would you hope he sticks around when it'll always turn after poor results?

But it's not realistic to expect the fans who have lost faith to get behind us thr same as if they were inspired. I wish they did but it'll never happen.

So therefore do we have the best chance of staying up with fans on our side? Yes. That's why I didn't think he should stay.

He never connected with a large chunk and it was plainly obvious that if appointed, he'll get less time, shouldn't have but thats what was obvious would happen.
 
How can you hate a manager in the summer before we’d kicked a ball ?
Because he left us because the Oystons had the club and it was a disgrace ?
Or maybe it’s because he doesn’t cartwheel in front of the north stand fist pumping his chest
or maybe it’s because he doesn’t make love hearts with his fingers and cry’s to the away following and then leaves at the first chance he gets.
The love for critch after he left us at his first chance and the hatred for Appleton is just crazy.
I don’t go away to hull for the manager to clap me I go to support the team to help us get 3 points. Our fans this season have acted like spoilt 5 year old brats it’s ** pathetic.
 
AngelBFC said:
Lala even after we smashed Preston the club the haters think he supports you still still didn’t believe ?
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I believed on that day yes. And I thought about that before I posted.

But 2 great performances (Burnley also) against a mire of poor ones look more like flukes to me, probably loaded up by the occasion.

We can’t hold on to the one off’s and think they are the norm,
 
JJpool said:
It's been poor all round, bar a few games, but I doubt you've sampled each set of fans in each game to make a fair call on shittest fans. Lots of teams have turned on managers who've then been sacked. We've stuck with and prolonged the gloom. Most clubs when the manager loses fans gets rid.

But we're in the silly situation of the board went against fan will and strong feelings, rightly or wrongly, so then would look silly getting rid, so are sticking with.

It's why I said he had to go as it'll never change barring a crazy turnaround in results, which does'nt look likely.
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You tell me why the fans had a strong Will not to have Appleton as manager ? The last time I checked the fans don’t decide who we employ.
Maybe the club should do a poll on our next manager so we can all choose.
 
Lala said:
I believed on that day yes. And I thought about that before I posted.

But 2 great performances (Burnley also) against a mire of poor ones look more like flukes to me, probably loaded up by the occasion.

We can’t hold on to the one off’s and think they are the norm,
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Coventry
Sheff United
Preston
Burnley
Watford
Just of the top of my head were all good performances.
 
Northstandsinger said:
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I disagree I think leaving Beasley on and taking poveda off was the right sub he offered more in terms of dog fight and defending set pieces and then attacking corners and crosses ect and the thornily sub is purely hindsight no one had an issue with it when it was made.
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Even chizzy mentioned Beesley was knackered.

Poveda is like most wingers, not the best at the back but great going forward on the attack.

A knackered Beesley wasn't the best at the back either, or at finishing his chance, ran out of steam. Not fully fit probably.

I'm not blaming the manager, it's another silly sending off, but some of his calls didn't work out. Was the Thorniley one necessary?

We jave a lack of discipline under Appleton, ultimately he coaches the players, motivates them etc.

The buck always stops with the manager, results have improved, albeit a bit lucky, but we were at times unlucky in the losses, but we need wins.
 
Northstandsinger said:
You tell me why the fans had a strong Will not to have Appleton as manager ? The last time I checked the fans don’t decide who we employ.
Maybe the club should do a poll on our next manager so we can all choose.
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As said I backed it once it happened and tried to get people on board.

But as to why, it's simple, we'd had him before, he was crap, left after a short time to a local rival, an ex nobber player, an uninspiring managerial appointment that people didn't want and not what was told to people by the board of what we wanted. He hadn't done anything much to be exited about.

We had just lost Critchley who, looking back or not, fans loved and had a huge connection with.

We countered that negative in losing him with another negative in many peoples eyes. Add in a negative summer too.

Fans don't decide, but if your a fan owner do you appoint Appleton knowing he's disliked and will be up against it, not encourage people to fill the stadium.

It's common sense to get someone who fans will get behind and connect with, someone with no negative history in most peopes minds.
 
Northstandsinger said:
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I disagree I think leaving Beasley on and taking poveda off was the right sub he offered more in terms of dog fight and defending set pieces and then attacking corners and crosses ect and the thornily sub is purely hindsight no one had an issue with it when it was made.
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Thought Beesley had a good game today but he was always going to be knackered in the 2nd half especially being down to 10.
 
JJpool said:
Which is why when fans turned he probably should have gone.

However, results have improved since the break but a bit fortunate, but performances haven't been the best.

Still some odd decisions though like keeping Beesley on and poveda off, our best player, Beesley was knackered 10 mins later but stayed on another 15.

Thorniley thrown in, ok Garbutt had a yellow, but it wasn't a change that worked at all, especially with Thompson on the bench.

I'll always back the team, but it's clear there's been little connection with fans, predictable given the feelings prior to his appointment and the ways the seasons gone.

But I thought the fans were decent considering, backed the team.

But a big lesson to the board, go against fan will with an unpopular appointment and things don't go well and it's very predictable what will happen.
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What the fuck do fans know about appointing a manager? 90% talk utter shite
 
What I will say is that as ridiculous, self-destructive and bizarre the attitude of the fans is / may seem, it was entirely predictable. To that extent, this situation was also largely avoidable.

He wasn’t an inspiring choice and he’s not an inspiring character. He’s obviously got fantastic coaching experience and is very credible within the game, but he seems to fall down when it comes to managing relationships… whether that be his relationship with fans or players, he doesn’t seem to have the ability to manage and develop the multiple relationships required to get a Football Club firing on all cylinders and pulling in the right direction… I think plenty knew his limitations from day one.

Fact is though we are stuck with him… And more importantly his success or failure right now is our success or failure… bleating about his shortcomings isn’t going to change anything… And to be honest, it’s questionable whether change would be in our interests right now in any case.

He probably has the coaching ability to keep us up and we have seen some fleeting examples of what he is capable of, given the right resources and access to his own men / players.

For now, the best thing we can do is get behind the team, accept that Appleton is here until the end of the season and be as supportive of him and the lads as possible. Hopefully with our support he can turn this around… with a few wins the rest of it will take care of itself.
 
Lala said:
Let’s be honest we shouldn’t have taken him on in the first place. That’s where this all went wrong. Such an uninspiring appointment at a time when we were accidentally faced with an opportunity to inspire.

It’s not fair to say that some of us who really didn’t want him didn’t give him a chance. A lot of us did, we listened to the supposed reasoning and backed him with hope.

But nothing to date has given us reason to still believe.
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Bang on!
 
Qblock said:
What the fuck do fans know about appointing a manager? 90% talk utter shite
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Once again, fans not appointing a manager, but you don't go against strong feelings if you have any understanding of how to maintain a feelgood factor. It died when he came let's be honest.

Fans are stupid, all have different opinions etc.

But this was as predictable as the sun coming up.

What does the board know about appointing a manager? 2 out of 3 crap appointments.

Let's face it no pool fan with the eventual shortlist wanted Appleton and for a reason. Anyone could see it's not going to inspire people.

Fans are paying customers, if you want more to attend you have to take their strong feelings into account.
 
Northstandsinger said:
How can you hate a manager in the summer before we’d kicked a ball ?
Because he left us because the Oystons had the club and it was a disgrace ?
Or maybe it’s because he doesn’t cartwheel in front of the north stand fist pumping his chest
or maybe it’s because he doesn’t make love hearts with his fingers and cry’s to the away following and then leaves at the first chance he gets.
The love for critch after he left us at his first chance and the hatred for Appleton is just crazy.
I don’t go away to hull for the manager to clap me I go to support the team to help us get 3 points. Our fans this season have acted like spoilt 5 year old brats it’s ** pathetic.
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Just to correct the rewriting of history, he left because Blackburn offered him their job. If they hadn’t he wouldn’t have left when he did, Oystons or not. This Appleton against the Oystons narrative is BS
 
JJpool said:
Once again, fans not appointing a manager, but you don't go against strong feelings if you have any understanding of how to maintain a feelgood factor. It died when he came let's be honest.

Fans are stupid, all have different opinions etc.

But this was as predictable as the sun coming up.

What does the board know about appointing a manager? 2 out of 3 crap appointments.

Let's face it no pool fan with the eventual shortlist wanted Appleton and for a reason. Anyone could see it's not going to inspire people.
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Too late for all that bollocks now though JJ….

He’s our Head Coach / Manager and needs our support. He’s not done anything to merit the behaviour of our fans at all.
 
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