Mick on Josh Bowler

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He said this after the Southampton game.

Addressing his decision to play Bowler out of position, McCarthy said: “He likes to play on the right and cut in on his left foot and he’s apparently brilliant at it.

“But I told him if we’re not playing 4-3-3 and you can’t cut in off the right, then you’re going to have to find somewhere else to play, aren’t you?

Well Mick just so you know, incase you missed it last night, there’s no apparently about it big fellar. Massive part in the 1st goal and then bags the equaliser. This in 10 minutes after the first 10 minutes we forgot we need to pass the ball on the floor to him. If that’s not enough for you can someone ping him last seasons DVD and the opening 5 games this season too.

Oh & if we are playing 4-3-3 and you don’t play him there then I’m struggling to see what the fook you are thinking.

Leave it with you.
 
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It's worrying isn't it. It's also no surprise either, old fashioned workhorse manager dislikes flair players with skill who sometimes switch off defensively. Don't get me wrong you can't have all of these either but you need to get a balance. Bowler, Rogers (who to be fair does work and tackle) and Poveda should be our balance to attack.
 
Larryknows said:
It's worrying isn't it. It's also no surprise either, old fashioned workhorse manager dislikes flair players with skill who sometimes switch off defensively. Don't get me wrong you can't have all of these either but you need to get a balance. Bowler, Rogers (who to be fair does work and tackle) and Poveda should be our balance to attack.
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I'll say it again.
We need to play 6-4.
Solid Six
Freedom Four.
 
It was the same issue that Critchley faced with regard to Bowler really.... A Manager is going to find it difficult to justify a fully 90, for a player that essentially offers up a few moments of magic. Mick will look at last night and think that Josh is someone he can bring on for the last 20, to open up a defence and enable us to nick a goal or two on the back of a nice solid performance and there is definitely merit to that way of thinking.

Of course, as Critchley found out, Josh can also be very useful during a game to keep the opposition occupied and of course when he has the ball, they aren't scoring.
 
Insider said:
Maybe but I can see him getting a visit from @20togo very soon. 😉
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yep, and I remember at the start of Critchleys first season me and you having a few discussions on Hamilton and how he either puts his crosses into the stand or over hits them that badly they go out for a throw in on the opposite wing. Yep, happened last night.
 
Insider said:
Whilst complimenting "crowd hero" Josh he said we need to get "the other side of his game out of him".
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To an extent I get what MM is saying. If we are going to get out of this mess, we are going to need all 10 outfield players to help out with tracking back etc. He likes the high pressing levels, that to be fair, we have seen for a lot of the three games so far.

That being said, against the teams around the bottom, he simply has to play Bowler.
 
HerefordSeasider said:
To an extent I get what MM is saying. If we are going to get out of this mess, we are going to need all 10 outfield players to help out with tracking back etc. He likes the high pressing levels, that to be fair, we have seen for a lot of the three games so far.

That being said, against the teams around the bottom, he simply has to play Bowler.
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Huddersfield's back line are old school big men who like a battle, will head anything and stick most things in the stand. Madine was playing right into their hands - players like Bowler and Poveda are what cause them problems and they were sat on the bench for most of the game.

It's inexcusable not playing Bowler there, agreed.

I actually think Wigan can beat them on Sat, with movement in the channels and Laing getting in behind. They're there for the taking and we didn't capitalise.
 
20togo said:
yep, and I remember at the start of Critchleys first season me and you having a few discussions on Hamilton and how he either puts his crosses into the stand or over hits them that badly they go out for a throw in on the opposite wing. Yep, happened last night.
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I think CJ is a very honest footballer and when I watched a highlights reel of Blackpool's 2022 goals he featured heavily but I still wouldn't start him.
Funnily enough the player that used to get the best of CJ was Turton who realised that putting the ball into space for CJ to run onto was what suited him best. We don't seem to do that anymore.
Back to Josh though, having watched the highlights, he didn't actually do Andy Lyons any favours for Koroma's goal. Before I upset you I agree it was Lyons who was primarily at fault but Bowler had tracked back and was quite close to Lyons but neither ended up close enough Koroma to block his shot. (That's been a bit of a general weakness recently).
I'm sure this is what McCarthy is getting at.
Personally I'd prefer Bowler to concentrate on scoring 2 rather not conceding 1.
 
HerefordSeasider said:
To an extent I get what MM is saying. If we are going to get out of this mess, we are going to need all 10 outfield players to help out with tracking back etc. He likes the high pressing levels, that to be fair, we have seen for a lot of the three games so far.

That being said, against the teams around the bottom, he simply has to play Bowler.
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Not just against teams around the bottom. Josh is all about 2 or 3 moments of magic in a game, and those 2 or 3 moments are worth far more to the side thar a, workmanlike performance tracking back and trying to stifle the opposition.
 
tangysider said:
Not just against teams around the bottom. Josh is all about 2 or 3 moments of magic in a game, and those 2 or 3 moments are worth far more to the side thar a, workmanlike performance tracking back and trying to stifle the opposition.
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I also don't completely disagree with you there. My point was more along the lines of a MM team is always well organised (granted last nights first half was anything but), and hard working. Im not for a second suggesting Josh isnt, my point is, 2 or 3 moments of magic, which may or may not result in goals, isnt always enough for every manager. Id have him in my team every day of the week, but to an extent I can understand what MM may be hinting at.

Josh hasn't always been known for his closing down at times, and can go missing in games. MM is probably just trying to get that extra 10/15% out of him. The last thing teams want, is Josh closing them down quickly and picking up a loose ball, as that can be when he is at his most dangerous as he has likely taken out at least one of their defensive players.

That being said, if Josh and one other from the bench (Id rather Poveda and Josh starting, as have no issue with CJ at the moment) dont start Saturday, then real questions will be asked of MM.
 
Ruperthoop said:
We are going to need Josh Bowler if we are to survive in this league. Best player we ever had since the prem and the guy showed his class once again last night in a very short period of time. He terrorises defences and scores goals. We were dreadful last night before his introduction.
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Not sure about that t Ince was pretty special
 
Adams Kebab said:
He said this after the Southampton game.

Addressing his decision to play Bowler out of position, McCarthy said: “He likes to play on the right and cut in on his left foot and he’s apparently brilliant at it.

“But I told him if we’re not playing 4-3-3 and you can’t cut in off the right, then you’re going to have to find somewhere else to play, aren’t you?

Well Mick just so you know, incase you missed it last night, there’s no apparently about it big fellar. Massive part in the 1st goal and then bags the equaliser. This in 10 minutes after the first 10 minutes we forgot we need to pass the ball on the floor to him. If that’s not enough for you can someone ping him last seasons DVD and the opening 5 games this season too.

Oh & if we are playing 4-3-3 and you don’t play him there then I’m struggling to see what the fook you are thinking.

Leave it with you.
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Fair comment that mate.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It was the same issue that Critchley faced with regard to Bowler really.... A Manager is going to find it difficult to justify a fully 90, for a player that essentially offers up a few moments of magic. Mick will look at last night and think that Josh is someone he can bring on for the last 20, to open up a defence and enable us to nick a goal or two on the back of a nice solid performance and there is definitely merit to that way of thinking.

Of course, as Critchley found out, Josh can also be very useful during a game to keep the opposition occupied and of course when he has the ball, they aren't scoring.
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There's no doubt that Josh has still a lot to learn, against Middlesbrough playing his midfield role he dribbled when he should have passed and was in acres of space allowing their midfield too much space likewise Pattino. Trybull was fuming.
Feel a little sorry for him because he will have been constantly told to find space to receive a pass.
 
Insider said:
I think CJ is a very honest footballer and when I watched a highlights reel of Blackpool's 2022 goals he featured heavily but I still wouldn't start him.
Funnily enough the player that used to get the best of CJ was Turton who realised that putting the ball into space for CJ to run onto was what suited him best. We don't seem to do that anymore.
Back to Josh though, having watched the highlights, he didn't actually do Andy Lyons any favours for Koroma's goal. Before I upset you I agree it was Lyons who was primarily at fault but Bowler had tracked back and was quite close to Lyons but neither ended up close enough Koroma to block his shot. (That's been a bit of a general weakness recently).
I'm sure this is what McCarthy is getting at.
Personally I'd prefer Bowler to concentrate on scoring 2 rather not conceding 1.
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This the same Oliver Turton that lost the ball on average over 50% of the time he had it most games? That partnership was vile. Limited player Turton and Blackpool fans loved him.
 
We’re making this more complicated than it actually is. Bowler is our best and most dangerous player by miles. Therefore he should be the first name on the team sheet, no ifs or buts. If MM is too pig headed to be flexible with his ‘principles’ and realise that he may as well fuck off now.
 
tangysider said:
Not just against teams around the bottom. Josh is all about 2 or 3 moments of magic in a game, and those 2 or 3 moments are worth far more to the side thar a, workmanlike performance tracking back and trying to stifle the opposition.
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And if his failure to track back costs us a goal or more, does that not cancel it out?
 
Wizaard said:
And if his failure to track back costs us a goal or more, does that not cancel it out?
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Trust me, the two goals we conceded last night thru poor defending will cost us many more goals than Bowler failing to track back will. Do you think MM was happy with the goals we conceded last night. Or is he more concerned about not picking Bowler because he may not track back on the one occasion we might concede a goal? Joke argument of yours.
 
20togo said:
Trust me, the two goals we conceded last night thru poor defending will cost us many more goals than Bowler failing to track back will. Do you think MM was happy with the goals we conceded last night. Or is he more concerned about not picking Bowler because he may not track back on the one occasion we might concede a goal? Joke argument of yours.
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The second goal was because Bowler didn't track back. Lyons was caught between deciding which of two to mark and didn't get close enough. Very funny.
 
I’ve come to the conclusion, that many managers/coaches faced with a supporter barrage of advice to play a certain player or formation, will dig their heels in and do the exact opposite . They don’t in essence take kindly to their choices being questioned. So , plenty of posts saying we shouldn’t be playing Bowler Rogers or Poveda may just do the trick !
 
Wizaard said:
Yet factually correct
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tosh here you go. Ir wasn't even Bowlers man. Bowler was covering the no 48 who was the nearest man to him. You really need to stop making things up as lies this can easily be proven to not be the case.

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20togo said:
Jeez Wiz, the more I watch it the more and more wrong you are! C'mon whose this other mysterious player that Lyons couldn't decide between.
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It’s incredible. Bowler is getting blamed by him, yet Lyons openly admitted in his interview that he needs to show him on the outside for their 2nd goal & their 1st goal Nelson managed to clear the ball backwards about 100 foot in the air and Madine and Connolly were weak as piss.

Nope Bowler, left us 2 on 1 🙃
 
Age old argument for managers this one. I remember Gerard Houllier was so frustrated with David Ginola lack of tracking back and called him fit to burn. Dropped him from the French squad.
Ginola was an awesome player and lit up the teams he played for. Houllier was a highly successful trophy winner in his career.

They just didn’t suit each other.
 
Dick McCarthy has been out of football too long

Unlike Holloway who watched loads of games and did his research on us before he took the job it appears Dick has just been playing golf and doing a bit of comms on the World Cup

He knows very little about the team and players of the club he's trying to save and is just reverting to type with his long ball run hard garbage

I will say again its a fcuking lazy and bizarre appointment
 
All my fears about MM are coming true.
It’s not rocket science. Find a fcuking way of playing our best players from the start.
Bet Dobbie isn’t this pig headed or stupid.
 
tangerine_neil said:
All my fears about MM are coming true.
It’s not rocket science. Find a fcuking way of playing our best players from the start.
Bet Dobbie isn’t this pig headed or stupid.
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I don't understand this clamour for Dobbie he's done nothing but coach some kids for a few months it's a bit daft to think he could come in and manage a Championship Club at this stage
 
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Wizaard said:
And if his failure to track back costs us a goal or more, does that not cancel it out?
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Those moments of magic are what football is all about. If he is effective is tying up their defenders why not embrace that? If tracking back nullifies his attacking skills as he is constantly out of position, then he is being wasted.
Bet Sir Stan did not track back, maybe DP knows?
 
Are we not now in a position we have to start WINNING games , yes Bowler is poor on the defensive side of his game but he can influence a game like Tuesday when he game on ,

Is it worth the risk imo yes .
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I don't understand this clamour for Dobbie he's done nothing but coach some kids for a few months it's a bit daft to think he could come in and manage a Championship Club at this stage
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Only because he knows the players, would use them in their best positions and wouldn’t play 5 across the back.
That’s all I’m asking for at the moment.
 
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