£20 additional charge for a physical card..

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TimperleyTangerine

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This is worth a thread of its own.

Both my parents have dementia and I’ve witnessed and cared for them through their journey. For a long period they were able to cope and live with some normality. As time went by they lost the ability to complete everyday tasks and one of those was the ability to use a landline telephone. At no stage on their journey were they able to use a mobile, let alone a smartphone.

I’m not ‘old’ or a senior, but I’ve been a fan for more than 40 years. I know we have many elderly supporters who may not have a smartphone or have the capability to use one.

Simon, the £20 is morally wrong, particularly when we have set u18 prices at a great low price. Well done for that, a good move.

Let’s not target our most vulnerable fans in this way. A nominal £5 charge might be more acceptable, but personally I’d prefer to see all senior prices include a physical card if requested.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
This is worth a thread of its own.

Both my parents have dementia and I’ve witnessed and cared for them through their journey. For a long period they were able to cope and live with some normality. As time went by they lost the ability to complete everyday tasks and one of those was the ability to use a landline telephone. At no stage on their journey were they able to use a mobile, let alone a smartphone.

I’m not ‘old’ or a senior, but I’ve been a fan for more than 40 years. I know we have many elderly supporters who may not have a smartphone or have the capability to use one.

Simon, the £20 is morally wrong, particularly when we have set u18 prices at a great low price. Well done for that, a good move.

Let’s not target our most vulnerable fans in this way. A nominal £5 charge might be more acceptable, but personally I’d prefer to see all senior prices include a physical card if requested.
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From one physically fit Cheshire exile to another - that's a very good post.
A great number of supporters will either not own a mobile, not have an iphone or share their phone with their partner who doesn't go to the games (we do but we both go to the games).
The older supporters will have supported BFC for dozens of years & will attend whatever league we're in and whether we're doing well or playing crap. They shouldn't be asked to pay £20.
I don't know who made this decision, but I don't think they've thought it through. I agree with the final part of your last sentence.
Best wishes to your mum & dad - life can be so cruel & unfair.
 
The 'elderly supporters' already get a discount.... Despite the fact that they likely have far more disposable income than younger supporters with families etc.. And someone with Dementia is going to struggle to attend a Football Match without a carer, regardless of whether the tickets are a plastic card, a digital smartphone ticket or an old fashioned paper booklet.

There's nothing 'Morally Wrong' about providing fans with a Digital Option and passing on the benefit of that more efficient system to those who use it. It shouldn't be up to me (or anyone else) to fund other people, who (for whatever reason) are unable to cope with more modern technology.

Nobody is 'targeting vulnerable fans' and it's bloody ridiculous and completely OTT to frame this in that kind of way.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The 'elderly supporters' already get a discount.... Despite the fact that they likely have far more disposable income than younger supporters with families etc.. And someone with Dementia is going to struggle to attend a Football Match without a carer, regardless of whether the tickets are a plastic card, a digital smartphone ticket or an old fashioned paper booklet.

There's nothing 'Morally Wrong' about providing fans with a Digital Option and passing on the benefit of that more efficient system to those who use it. It shouldn't be up to me (or anyone else) to fund other people, who (for whatever reason) are unable to cope with more modern technology.

Nobody is 'targeting vulnerable fans' and it's bloody ridiculous and completely OTT to frame this in that kind of way.
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What a load of claptrap!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So I should fund your Season Ticket as well as your Pensioners Discount?

How about you pay your own way, instead of bumming off the rest of us?

And maybe get 'Tech Savvy'
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so out of interest how many other clubs do discount for senior citizens? Maybe you could contact BST and ask them to take it up with the FSA that all discounts for pensioners tickets across football should be scrapped.
 
To claim a digital season ticket means faster entry into the stadium is absolutely laughable as a season ticket card and the digital ticket are scanned in the same way. If anything it will considerably slow things down due to people who aren't great with technology taking an age to find the digital ticket on their phone.

Just say it how it is "we don't want people sharing season tickets".
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So I should fund your Season Ticket as well as your Pensioners Discount?

How about you pay your own way, instead of bumming off the rest of us?

And maybe get 'Tech Savvy'
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My discount for being a youngster was subsidised by todays OAPs, and my OAP discount will be subsidised by todays youngsters. Thats why I'm happy to subsidise others while I'm between the two age groups. Just the way it works. I just won't have as much disposable income when I'm a pensioner as I do in full time work, and neither do most people I imagine.
Considering the sums of money in football these days, I hardly think £20 for a few hundred pensioners is going to break the clubs bank, or hinder its player recruitment.
 
I'm not against the disabled season ticket holders getting a plastic card as part of their season ticket price, and I think IMO this is the only thing the club have got wrong. I would hope that they would look at this again before Wednesday and make a change. For me, an extra £20 isn't a disaster, but I'm tempted to get one purely because living so far away, midweek games arnt great for me (unless its a Biggy, ill most likely watch it at home), so being able to give my card to friends in Blackpool is pretty handy. However, in situations like the OP, it would be great if the club would consider a slight change to this.
 
20togo said:
so out of interest how many other clubs do discount for senior citizens? Maybe you could contact BST and ask them to take it up with the FSA that all discounts for pensioners tickets across football should be scrapped.
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Why would I want to contact BST or have them "Take it up with the FSA"?

If it was up to me I'd scrap the discounts as the whole concept of discounting pensioners is completely outdated.

BFC_53 said:
My discount for being a youngster was subsidised by todays OAPs, and my OAP discount will be subsidised by todays youngsters. Thats why I'm happy to subsidise others while I'm between the two age groups. Just the way it works. I just won't have as much disposable income when I'm a pensioner as I do in full time work, and neither do most people I imagine.
Considering the sums of money in football these days, I hardly think £20 for a few hundred pensioners is going to break the clubs bank, or hinder its player recruitment.
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The Club is already struggling to make ends meet and compete on a financial footing with other Clubs and you "hardly think that £20 for a few hundred pensioners is going to break the clubs bank"... Even if it wouldn't break the Club's bank, there would be far better ways to spunk that particular money than wasting it funding a load of stuck in the muds who can't be arsed keeping up with the advancing world that we live in.

How do all these people manage to cope in other aspects of their lives? Do they still use the old red phone boxes and listen to music on a gramophone .... Do they arrive at the ground on a horse and cart or on a penny farthing?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
People have already got the card so what are they paying for?

Last season the card just got updated didn't it?
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They're paying for the alternative system that we have to keep in place alongside the new one and all of the shit and hassle that, that involves, just to keep a few cave men happy.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
They're paying for the alternative system that we have to keep in place alongside the new one and all of the shit and hassle that, that involves, just to keep a few cave men happy.
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Eh?

So you are saying the £20 has fuck all to do with the card it's more to go towards the digital option

Why on earth would that need to happen

Season ticket holders have a card already that just gets updated like it did last season and the season before

There really is a simple solution to this
 
They didn’t update cards last year as I had to travel over to Blackpool to pick mine up. There was a cost involved to get the cards sent out. Wasn’t a faff as I just came over early this on first game.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Eh?

So you are saying the £20 has fuck all to do with the card it's more to go towards the digital option

Why on earth would that need to happen

Season ticket holders have a card already that just gets updated like it did last season and the season before

There really is a simple solution to this
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yep, seems contrary mary thinks the fans have to pay for the football club to have the latest technology.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Eh?

So you are saying the £20 has fuck all to do with the card it's more to go towards the digital option

Why on earth would that need to happen

Season ticket holders have a card already that just gets updated like it did last season and the season before

There really is a simple solution to this
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Yes, exactly.... There are benefits to the Club in adopting a digital ticketing system.... And there's a cost associated with maintaining the alternative system.

There is a simple solution (you're right) just pass the cost / benefit of either system on to the end user, which is exactly what is happening. I'll be using the Digital System as it's simple and easy to use, I won't have the hassle or the environmental issue associated with a plastic card and it's cheaper... 👍

Why don't you just use it too? You're not a troglodyte !!
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
People have already got the card so what are they paying for?

Last season the card just got updated didn't it?
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Just what I was thinking. I have had the same card for 2 years.

I think the club are attempting to phase out the physical card and encourage the digital version and by renewing the card wouldn’t really achieve that.

I personally prefer the physical card but not paying 20 quid for the pleasure (40 if you include my lad aswell).
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So I should fund your Season Ticket as well as your Pensioners Discount?

How about you pay your own way, instead of bumming off the rest of us?

And maybe get 'Tech Savvy'
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Exactly HOW are YOU funding my ST?
Lots of oaps do not or cannot get tech savvy.
I do pay my way been a season ticket holder for nearly 60 seasons, apart from 2 year boycott.
I presume when you reach retirement you will expect a discount as most pensioners do, after working & contributing all your life?
Show some respect idiot!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes, exactly.... There are benefits to the Club in adopting a digital ticketing system.... And there's a cost associated with maintaining the alternative system.

There is a simple solution (you're right) just pass the cost / benefit of either system on to the end user, which is exactly what is happening. I'll be using the Digital System as it's simple and easy to use, I won't have the hassle or the environmental issue associated with a plastic card and it's cheaper... 👍

Why don't you just use it too? You're not a troglodyte !!
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I wouldn't use the digital system as by the time I've travelled to Blackpool my phone will most probably have run out of battery

If there is a system that works then why the need to change it?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I wouldn't use the digital system as by the time I've travelled to Blackpool my phone will most probably have run out of battery

If there is a system that works then why the need to change it?
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The old system of Cash Turnstiles worked, but what we have today is infinitely more efficient and far better for everyone concerned. Technology and the world is always changing and frankly I prefer a Club that is engaged with technology and progress rather than one that is stuck in the dark ages.


Do you not have a phone charger?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The old system of Cash Turnstiles worked, but what we have today is infinitely more efficient and far better for everyone concerned. Technology and the world is always changing and frankly I prefer a Club that is engaged with technology and progress rather than one that is stuck in the dark ages.


Do you not have a phone charger?
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ridiculous comparison.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes, exactly.... There are benefits to the Club in adopting a digital ticketing system.... And there's a cost associated with maintaining the alternative system.

There is a simple solution (you're right) just pass the cost / benefit of either system on to the end user, which is exactly what is happening. I'll be using the Digital System as it's simple and easy to use, I won't have the hassle or the environmental issue associated with a plastic card and it's cheaper... 👍

Why don't you just use it too? You're not a troglodyte !!
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The environmental issue will be caused when thousands of people throw away their plastic card..... instead of using them? There's no need to issue new cards to anyone, as proven for the last couple of years. If there is a buyer of a new season ticket, then fine, don't issue a card and stick to digital.
It makes no sense to force existing season card holders to ditch them. There's literally no cost in money and none to the environment.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The old system of Cash Turnstiles worked, but what we have today is infinitely more efficient and far better for everyone concerned. Technology and the world is always changing and frankly I prefer a Club that is engaged with technology and progress rather than one that is stuck in the dark ages.


Do you not have a phone charger?
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Yeah but I don't have a mobile electric mains attached to my back to always charge it
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The 'elderly supporters' already get a discount.... Despite the fact that they likely have far more disposable income than younger supporters with families etc.. And someone with Dementia is going to struggle to attend a Football Match without a carer, regardless of whether the tickets are a plastic card, a digital smartphone ticket or an old fashioned paper booklet.

There's nothing 'Morally Wrong' about providing fans with a Digital Option and passing on the benefit of that more efficient system to those who use it. It shouldn't be up to me (or anyone else) to fund other people, who (for whatever reason) are unable to cope with more modern technology.

Nobody is 'targeting vulnerable fans' and it's bloody ridiculous and completely OTT to frame this in that kind of way.
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Wait until you're too old to cope with the latest technology.
it shouldn't be up to me (or anyone else) to fund other people, who (for whatever reason) are unable to cope with more modern technology.
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What a community minded chap you are.
 
Ping Pong said:
Pot, kettle?
Stating why should YOU fund discounts for oaps??
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Yes.... That's what I said... Why should I fund it? Feel free to answer the question, instead of avoiding it👍

BFC_53 said:
The environmental issue will be caused when thousands of people throw away their plastic card..... instead of using them? There's no need to issue new cards to anyone, as proven for the last couple of years. If there is a buyer of a new season ticket, then fine, don't issue a card and stick to digital.
It makes no sense to force existing season card holders to ditch them. There's literally no cost in money and none to the environment.
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The environmental issue was caused the moment that the card was produced and so it is beneficial to stop that ongoing process. Your argument is utterly ridiculous...

It makes absolute sense to move away from plastic card based systems for those who have a card or those who do not, both environmentally, practically and in terms of the extra management benefits and enhancements that it will bring to both the Club and to fans.

Wizzerboy said:
There but for the grace of God.
His Dad has dementia ffs.
Try hopping onto the Kevin Sinfield thread to learn about compassion.
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I have compassion for anyone dealing with the impact of dementia or any other illness and it is extremely sad for the O/P and anyone else who is navigating the challenges that elderly parents suffering can bring, but it's a complete red herring as far as this thread is concerned in reality.
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
🤫 keep quiet, they will install those mobile phone charging points outside each turnstile and charge a fiver for 10 minutes charging time to help supporters access their digital season tickets.
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Or just buy a portable charger or plug your phone in on the train or your car etc... It's really basic stuff tbh...

1966_and_all_that said:
Wait until you're too old to cope with the latest technology.

What a community minded chap you are.
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So what do we do? Put the all technological advancements on permanent hold? How can society ever move on?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Or just buy a portable charger or plug your phone in on the train or your car etc... It's really basic stuff tbh...



So what do we do? Put the all technological advancements on permanent hold? How can society ever move on?
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And how long until some knobhead threw one onto the pitch and the club banned them?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes.... That's what I said... Why should I fund it? Feel free to answer the question, instead of avoiding it👍



The environmental issue was caused the moment that the card was produced and so it is beneficial to stop that ongoing process. Your argument is utterly ridiculous...

It makes absolute sense to move away from plastic card based systems for those who have a card or those who do not, both environmentally, practically and in terms of the extra management benefits and enhancements that it will bring to both the Club and to fans.



I have compassion for anyone dealing with the impact of dementia or any other illness and it is extremely sad for the O/P and anyone else who is navigating the challenges that elderly parents suffering can bring, but it's a complete red herring as far as this thread is concerned in reality.
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Sorry it's not ridiculous - the cards have already been produced. Stopping their use now makes no difference to the number of cards there already are as long as you don't produce any new ones. Not sure what you don't understand about that? Using a plastic card already in existence has no future increasing negative impact to the environment at all. Zero. It's just not an argument. Not producing new ones for new season ticket holders is a different matter altogether and I get why there would only be a digital option for those people.
Therefore, forcing people to stop using their cards they have now makes no difference to the environment at all because we know that people can renew their ticket on their existing cards - as we did last season.
 
20togo said:
contrary mary will no doubt be objecting to disabled fans getting a carer in for free. After all, he has to subsidise them too.
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Nope... I've no problem with anyone disabled being accommodated, that's completely different to someone being given a discounted price, just because they happen to be older than someone else.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Or just buy a portable charger or plug your phone in on the train or your car etc... It's really basic stuff tbh...



So what do we do? Put the all technological advancements on permanent hold? How can society ever move on?
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Don't be silly. The Club can introduce a digital-preferred option for the majority whilst retaining card options for OAPs. In a few years that won't be needed but the Club could still retain a low priced option of a card for those who are disabled.
 
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