It is ridiculous... The useless / pointless card in your possession could be recycled and used for something that is purposeful and necessary. Pop it in the recycle bin, prevent the unnecessary production of more plastic and get with the programme.
Pot kettle yet again.Yes.... That's what I said... Why should I fund it? Feel free to answer the question, instead of avoiding it
The environmental issue was caused the moment that the card was produced and so it is beneficial to stop that ongoing process. Your argument is utterly ridiculous...
It makes absolute sense to move away from plastic card based systems for those who have a card or those who do not, both environmentally, practically and in terms of the extra management benefits and enhancements that it will bring to both the Club and to fans.
I have compassion for anyone dealing with the impact of dementia or any other illness and it is extremely sad for the O/P and anyone else who is navigating the challenges that elderly parents suffering can bring, but it's a complete red herring as far as this thread is concerned in reality.
But there won't be any more plastic required if you stop new purchasers getting a plastic card!
You really need me to explain?
Are you a Parrot?
What part don't you agree with? It's not difficult to understand FFS.
This shouldn't be about economics but about social responsibility. I'd like to hope we could be a socially responsible Club. I know we are in many ways but this one seems like a missed opportunity.
We've just gone down and need to rebuild fans trust and fill the stadium.
I already explained that…
It’s not specifically about people with dementia, it’s about elderly fans who may not own or have the capability to use a smartphone.
I said the carer getting in for free as I believe that is how it works. And a discount is a discount and how it's worked at every club for many years. Seems you just have a problem with older people, mary.
Rubbish
That’s a personal choice not to engage with technology, it has nothing whatsoever to do with being old. I know loads of elderly people who are perfectly capable of using modern technology… The ones who don’t basically can’t be arsed.
They should get poorer quality seats though tbf
You've not explained how new plastic is required from now, if only new season ticket purchasers have to use the digital option, and existing card holders continue to use their existing card?
You’ve truly surpassed yourself on this one. Do some research about the elderly and perhaps speak to Age UK or visit a local home. If you don’t understand then, you have no heart and definitely no intelligence.
I didn’t say they were’dripping in money’, but they certainly have no less money on account of their age… that’s for sure.
Yes I have
So by your reasoning all banks should close and we should no longer have debit or credit cards - should we expect our elderly to use Apple Pay?
It’s called transition, but there will always be a need for more simpler methods of paying / banking / attending a match, because age robs you of the things me & you take for granted.
Like I said … Total Rubbish!
Cool … I’ve no problem with simple folk using simple systems. However I want the freedom to use and benefit financially from cheaper more efficient systems that offer me greater choice and flexibility at a lower price point than the simple systems…. Why is that not OK ?
So you’ve moaned about empty seats in the past. Let’s just go with your suggestion of zero discounted tickets. You can surely grasp that we’d have even more empty seats. The elderly might not be able to go, but also (and you’ve been keen to bang on about this) we don’t build our young fanbase, because kids / youths would need to pay full price.
I have, you just didn’t take time to read it properly.
I haven’t moaned about empty seats… Though the concept of building a fanbase by attracting young fans is very different to simply giving discount because someone is above a certain age.
You haven't. New plastic isn't required if new cards aren't produced. And they don't need to be produced because they can re-activate existing cards.
Normally a sheep
....and you haven't answered TT's point. You just love being a contrary mary.
LOL Daz the fisherman.
What, so all of a sudden starting to struggle with the digital age is a choice? The elderly struggle with many things, even the basics of using a television that they never previously had problems using. There will be elderly people who have fully engaged with the digital age, but their old age now makes it difficult for them to continue using equipment as they once did. It’s not a choice, it’s mentally very distressing for them.
As I explained above… New plastic is required (for other uses) if useless plastic (such as your ST card) remain in service for a pointless and unnecessary system instead of being recycled and put to an alternative use.
Yes.. of course it’s a choice…
Another sweeping generalisation. Some may be very comfortable, but your average working man & woman is not better off. Their pensions won’t add up to the value of their former salary. Not only that, the main asset of many pensioners is their home. The cost of living for pensioners is tough, not least because they are at home all the time. Me & you, we can switch the heating off when we go out to work.
What alternative system? Card or phone is scanned on the same terminal in the same way.
If Liverpool FC is anything to go by, you notify the online system and they provide your mate with a digital ticket to use at the game… So no hassle of having to give them your card and get it back, risk losing it etc…
It’s a ‘sweeping generalisation’ for me to suggest that people’s ability to pay isn’t determined by an arbitrary number such as age?
The internal management system…What alternative system? Card or phone is scanned on the same terminal in the same way.
Nope… they resist it at every opportunity… all this same bullshit when we were introducing cards and card readers.
Is it change or the fact they want to charge YOU £20 for updating THEIR technology when in fact the process for entering the ground is exactly the same and just as quick. Which the club have lied about!
