£20 additional charge for a physical card..

Well you’ve certainly no problems engaging with this technology have you hey !!!

Typical OAP, pull the old person card out when it suits…

Start limping when there’s no seats left on the bus… Start huffing a puffing in the queue at the supermarket until someone lets you push in… Always on the blag you lot !!



It’d probably get stuck in your false teeth in any case 😉
There’s some bloody good tips here. Cheers 👍
 
Sarcasm doesn't become you BFC why should I stop going I'd just pay as I go.

Are you dead against passing on your ST to others or does the technology have to be improved so you can do so?
I don’t pass my Season Ticket on to anyone really…. I think I let my son use it once, but it was a ball ache messing about giving him the card and getting it back. There’s also the prospect of someone else losing your card etc..

I just don’t see the big deal with an upgrade to using modern technology and find the resistance to any kind of progress or change all very depressing really.
 
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I don’t pass my Season Ticket on to anyone really…. I think I let my son use it once, but it was a ball ache messing about giving him the card and getting it back. There’s also the prospect of someone wise losing your card etc..

I just don’t see the big deal with a upgrade to using modern technology and find the resistance to any kind of process or change all very depressing really.
I've no issue with technology either my point was about this seems a way of eventually phasing being able to pass on your ST unless they change the tech or make cards available every year.
 
I've no issue with technology either my point was about this seems a way of eventually phasing being able to pass on your ST unless they change the tech or make cards available every year.
From what I’ve seen so far, it looks like other Clubs are allowing people (subject to conditions) to transfer specific games to ‘friends or family’.

The process involves assigning the game to them online and then they are issued with a digital ticket to their own device.
 
Not simple at all…

1. The financial incentive will encourage more people to make the change, which is what the Club wants to happen…

2. It’s not the card that costs the money… It’s maintaining an old system that doesn’t offer the same advantages.

The only ‘winners’ in that case would be the technophobes and we seem to have far too many.

Maybe we could just implant a microchip chip in anyone who can’t use a phone.
It’s as simple as this really for me.

The Football Club is there for the fans. No fans, no football Club.

Supporter interaction/engagement is vital in any successful football club… or are we more bothered about this or maintaining a machine/system.

I get that the Football club can’t tick every box and some fans have bizarre requests and weird outlooks but this is pretty simple to sort by understanding the demographic and looking after supporters who don’t have phones etc.

It’s an easy win, but as seems per lately we’ve delivered it like a Kenny Dougall corner.
 
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.
 
It’s as simple as this really for me.

The Football Club is there for the fans. No fans, no football Club.

Supporter interaction/engagement is vital in any successful football club… or are we more bothered about this or maintaining a machine/system.

I get that the Football club can’t tick every box and some fans have bizarre requests and weird outlooks but this is pretty simple to sort by understanding the demographic and looking after supporters who don’t have phones etc.

It’s an easy win, but as seems per lately we’ve delivered it like a Kenny Dougall corner.
So let’s say (for example) that at some point in the future it’s possible to stand at games again. The economics of standing means that the Club are able to offer cheaper tickets to people who Stand instead of sitting…

So the Club say that they are introducing standing only in the East Stand. They state that you will still be able to sit in a small section of the East, but there will be a premium !!!

Now unfortunately there’s a load of old people who can’t stand, because their legs aren’t so good anymore…

Do we have the same argument?

Do we just stick with the same old routine and never move on?

The fans of this s Club are holding it back at the minute…. Too many stuck in their NAPM bubbles
 
This is worth a thread of its own.

Both my parents have dementia and I’ve witnessed and cared for them through their journey. For a long period they were able to cope and live with some normality. As time went by they lost the ability to complete everyday tasks and one of those was the ability to use a landline telephone. At no stage on their journey were they able to use a mobile, let alone a smartphone.

I’m not ‘old’ or a senior, but I’ve been a fan for more than 40 years. I know we have many elderly supporters who may not have a smartphone or have the capability to use one.

Simon, the £20 is morally wrong, particularly when we have set u18 prices at a great low price. Well done for that, a good move.

Let’s not target our most vulnerable fans in this way. A nominal £5 charge might be more acceptable, but personally I’d prefer to see all senior prices include a physical card if requested.
This is a great post but it's not just about the impact on senior ST holders or vulnerable fans. There are fans in all categories that for one reason or another are unable to use the digital option, myself included. I understand the direction the club is trying to go and their reasons for it. I also understand that anyone preferring a different option is going to incur some form of fee but the real question is can the club justify the fee being £20? That will deter some fans that would prefer a card but others that have to use the card are left with the fee....
 
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.
Oh don’t you believe it… Our supporters can and will find a problem with absolutely anything.

“What if I decide to have a face transplant on the morning of the game and don’t have time to update my new face on the system?”
 
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.

Are you mad?

Plenty on here would have a problem with that.

They would want the club to pay for moisturiser, face lifts and hair cuts to agree to that.
 
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.
Considering most people who post on this site are two faced wankers I think facial recognition would cause a whole heap of issues 🤔
 
Fair enough… But let’s face it, most OAPs are lording it up on Mediterranean cruises, when they’re not blagging a free ride on the bus or ramming you in the back of the ankle with their shopping trolley in Tesco.

To my mind the pension itself ought to be adequate reward for past service and so no need for all the freebies. It was fine when the older folk had actually fought in a war and deserved every respect and accommodation, but it’s out of date nowadays… There’s also plenty of modern day pensioners who’ve never done a days graft in their lives.

As for the owner, I think he’s just fine…. I think am injection of cash might be helpful though and if that means investors then I’m all for it.
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Fair enough… But let’s face it, most OAPs are lording it up on Mediterranean cruises, when they’re not blagging a free ride on the bus or ramming you in the back of the ankle with their shopping trolley in Tesco.

To my mind the pension itself ought to be adequate reward for past service
Reward? Are you Jacob Rees-Mogg in disguise?
 
The club have missed a trick here, just call it a £20 discount for digital - no complaints about paying extra. 👍
Good point. They need to employ a club psychologist 😂 Or maybe a while department, there's plenty of work with our fan base and staff. Maybe Kevin Stewart could help out.
 
To that extent it’s often necessary to force change and swim against the tide of incompetence / ignorance for the greater good.
The march towards fascism continues. So much easier to control people with technology.
Did I say control!
 
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.
And if you face doesn't fit it's so much easier to keep you out 🤔
 
Being a technophobe, given I can't get a signal anywhere near the stadium, will this stop me accessing my digital season ticket ?
They should have skipped the digital smartphone barcode option and gone straight to facial recognition at the turnstile.

Cuts out all this crap and it won’t be long before it is the next option as it’s already an established technical feature in many walks of life.

Nobody can have a problem with taking their own face with them to each game.
Oh no Lala! l fail every time l try and get through Manchester airport and then have to join another queue 🤬🤬
 
So to sum up, a lot of people on this and other threads agree that for various reasons it's unreasonable of the club to charge an extra £20 for simply retaining the same piece of plastic that they used to access the ground last season.

Then you have contrary mary who more often than not likes to go against the majority point of view. It seems by some of his posts that he has some sort of superiority complex with his self proclaimed intelligence over many other posters on here. He always has done in that respect! And he clearly has a problem that he feels that he is subsidising others especially the older generation with whom some of his comments and his viewpoint is pretty despicable. He criticises the older generation for enjoying their retirement and having the temerity of going on holidays but it's not that long back barely a few months back that he was having a lads holiday away in Germany I believe.
 
It was ‘an option’ because it was a trial period. Obviously the intention was to always introduce the system (assuming all went OK) for this season. So my point is, that the Club isn’t going to change that plan because of relegation and nor should they.

Fans still retain the option to have a plastic card and use the old system and this requirement can be accommodated for a small premium (less than £1 per game - The price of a Mars Bar)

Pretty much any kind of progress or change goes ‘down like a lead balloon’ with our awkward fans JJ, so this is no different. It must be massively frustrating, but fortunately we have an owner who embraces technology and progress (an odd motto given how backward some of our supporters are).

Of course, the usual moaning arseholes and cave-dwellers (most of whom feature prevalently on AVFTT) will have found something else to blather on about next week and so it will all be water under the bridge…. As for creating a buzz 🐝 - Perhaps Simon could offer a Free pair of Tena Pad knickers and a Sugar Dummy for anyone paying the £20 surcharge to soften the blow👍

I’ve no idea what is going to come next, but hopefully the owner is focused on delivering promotion next season.! Personally, I’m not really arsed whether that begins with a fanfare or a kick in the nuts tbh, just as long as he delivers.
I just don't see the need for what they've done and right now when we really need unity and momentum after an awful season, which actually turned slightly positive at the end, all undone again now.

Digital was already an option for those who wanted it, the 20 quid is just bad PR, you can see that from how it's been received. 20 quid or approx a quid a game or not, they already own the bloody card which the club could activate again like they've done before, just bad PR and not for the first time.

Add in the pricing that's higher than some championship clubs.

People say... "Oh but x club is paying x amount at this level."

We're our own club and have our own issues and needs, a lost generation and a damaging boycott, we need to rebuild the fans.

So far very little effort with price has been made to fill the stadium, all with a fan owner.

Given what I've seen online on various social media, I can't see us retaining all our ST holders or anywhere near what we could have done with some good PR and common sense. Unless we get a raft of good announcements that get everyone going.

Once again it's a poor effort from the club, no real inventiveness with pricing, nothing clever, ST with extras, sell more pay less for eg, nothing at all there really to fill the stadium. They seemingly havent learnt again that having more pool fans in can be hugely beneficial.
 
I think ive read just about every post on this subject and BFCx 3 you dont come out of this very well in my opinion.

For give me if i have not spotted this, as im getting old and cant quite remember everything i have read.

The £20 extra is to try and stop people lending their seats.These seats have been payed for by ST holders so nobody is defrauding BFC.

Its better to fave bums on seats for the atmosphere needed to get us promoted,Dont forget these bums usually by a pie and pint. An income BFC would not get if the ST holder could not attend and share his seat.

Perhaps BFCx3 or some other clever dick could write an indiots guide to using a smart phone.What is a wallet? how do you fill it? and how do yo use it to get a reader to open a turnstile for you? I think some young and old would like to know this.

Finally not every one has a smart phone or wants one.Not really fair on them is it.
 
At 75 years of age 76 in December and a pensioner, of course, I sometimes have to purchase train ticket which appear on my phone. I always take a physical copy of the ticket with me, as with arthritic fingers it takes me longer than a young person to access the digital ticket, if I can remember where it is.

I'm sorry BFC, I would class this as a form of discrimination against those less able to cope with modern technology.

£20 to a number of pensioners, fortunately not me, is the difference between eating or heating or not.

I hasten to add for BFCx3 that it is some years since I have been abroad, last year Whitby this year uncertain that we will afford one.
 
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I think ive read just about every post on this subject and BFCx 3 you dont come out of this very well in my opinion.

For give me if i have not spotted this, as im getting old and cant quite remember everything i have read.

The £20 extra is to try and stop people lending their seats.These seats have been payed for by ST holders so nobody is defrauding BFC.

Its better to fave bums on seats for the atmosphere needed to get us promoted,Dont forget these bums usually by a pie and pint. An income BFC would not get if the ST holder could not attend and share his seat.

Perhaps BFCx3 or some other clever dick could write an indiots guide to using a smart phone.What is a wallet? how do you fill it? and how do yo use it to get a reader to open a turnstile for you? I think some young and old would like to know this.

Finally not every one has a smart phone or wants one.Not really fair on them is it.
Firstly there’s plenty of information out there on how to use a smart phone and your average child can use one, so there’s no excuse for not being able to use one… It’s pure laziness and a negative attitude to change that is the main obstacle for most folk.

Your Season Ticket is not and has never been yours to freely distribute and nor is a standard matchday ticket. Both come with strict Terms & Conditions about transfer and abuse of the system can result in your ticket being withdrawn.

The new system has the technology to facilitate ticket transfer between approved friends and family and can prevent transfer to unauthorised individuals (away fans for example) or adults on a child’s ticket etc…Plenty of people have been defrauding the system too, so don’t kid yourself about that !!

@JJpool. you rarely see the need for much that doesn’t sit with it your narrow perspective on ticket matters.

The Club has clearly invested in a plan to change and update the old technology. We’re already behind many other clubs / businesses. To change the plans just because of relegation would be utterly ridiculous.

It’s possible they might have communicated it all better though.
 
At 75 years of age 76 in December and a pensioner, of course, I sometimes have to purchase train ticket which appear on my phone. I always take a physical copy of the ticket with me, as with arthritic fingers it takes me longer than a young person to access the digital ticket, if I can remember where it is.

I'm sorry BFC, I would class this as a form of discrimination against those less able to cope with modern technology.

£20 to a number of pensioners, fortunately not me, is the difference between eating or heating or not.
Surely arthritic fingers (which are not unique to OAP’s) would trouble you when taking a card out of your wallet, opening a zipped pocket or any number of things? (Although amazingly they don’t seem to hamper you supping a few pints of ale) 😂

And frankly if you’re so strapped for cash that £20 is the difference between heating and eating (which is also not unique to older folk)… then you really shouldn’t be spunking £360 on a Season Ticket in any case.

I don’t see any of you moaning and groaning that your discounted OAP tickets are discriminatory to younger adults with families or younger people suffering g financial hardship…. As ever it’s the old ‘selective’ self-interested discrimination card.
 
It's as obvious as hiring Appleton what the reaction would be.
Oh, the irony in that one JJ 😋
SS was shocked after that appointment and yet now it seems he is all over us now on social media with the meeting and prior to that Lee being called in and his vlog format now altered.
 
@JJpool. you rarely see the need for much that doesn’t sit with it your narrow perspective on ticket matters.

The Club has clearly invested in a plan to change and update the old technology. We’re already behind many other clubs / businesses. To change the plans just because of relegation would be utterly ridiculous.

It’s possible they might have communicated it all better though.
All I and others are asking for is a bit of effort and for once, like at other clubs with nowhere near our issues, a bit of effort on price etc to fill the stadium, its not bloody difficult. We had a great thread on here a bit ago with some great ideas.

We've not even had a statement from SS, ok we still can, maybe they are getting this out the way and then building positive momentum. But it would have helped to hear from SS on what went wrong the ambitions, the project etc.

We're lacking leadership. Might be alright in the hedge funds business being secretive, but in football it's about key communication and good PR, generating a feelgood factor for fans to get them attending in their numbers. So far, I've seen very little evidence they know how to do that for us.
 
"We're lacking leadership. Might be alright in the hedge funds business being secretive, but in football it's about key communication and good PR, generating a feelgood factor for fans to get them attending in their numbers. So far, I've seen very little evidence they know how to do that for us."

Bang on that 👏
 
Err I have less money then when I was working. Not starving but don't have much left after paying bills.
That doesn't count Kopite, don't forget we have a free bus ride for most of the day, we have had a 10% rise in our pensions, not forgetting that 10% of a little is not a great deal, some of us have offspring that are themselves struggling due to higher inflation and they come well before any holiday where money is concerned or even a season ticket to the football.

I fully understand the thinking, and the reasons behind it, but they have taken a sledge hammer to cracking a nut, and it is my personal opinion that it will have the effect of driving more away from the game to watch it at home on an illegal channel, at a greater loss to the club than the £20 will raise.
 
As much as I support Sadlers ownership of the club with regards to football, even the season before last, I always got the impression that the whole pricing strategy was designed to screw the fans for as much money as he could. This latest episode just confirms it even more.
 
That doesn't count Kopite, don't forget we have a free bus ride for most of the day, we have had a 10% rise in our pensions, not forgetting that 10% of a little is not a great deal, some of us have offspring that are themselves struggling due to higher inflation and they come well before any holiday where money is concerned or even a season ticket to the football.

I fully understand the thinking, and the reasons behind it, but they have taken a sledge hammer to cracking a nut, and it is my personal opinion that it will have the effect of driving more away from the game to watch it at home on an illegal channel, at a greater loss to the club than the £20 will raise.
“A sledgehammer to crack a nut”

Must be the exaggeration of the century… it’s twenty bloody quid for goodness sake.
 
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From what I can find for early bird ST prices for 23/24 season for League 1 These are all low/mid range tickets for those clubs that have released prices already.

Port Vale £335
Exeter £338
Blackpool £349
Wigan £349
Reading £350
Shrewsbury £375
Lincoln £380
Burton £384
Leyton £394
Bristol Rovers £399
Northampton £400
Cheltenham £409
Portsmouth £414
Oxford £420
Charlton £425
Wycombe £456
 
So, if 100 people decide not to renew, lets say they are all pensioners at an average of £310 that is £31,000 less income, it will mean they will need to flog 1476 cards to pay for the loss. It puts the '£20 bloody quid into perspective for goodness sake.' (NB to avoid accusations of favouritism over other worthy causes Pensioners have been used as an example)

Obviously BFC3 you are not short of cash, unlike a lot of the current population, and yes, in answer to one of your previous jibes I enjoy a drink of beer, but know my limits both alcohol and money wise. But there are those on this board to whom £20 is a great deal.
 
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So, if 100 people decide not to renew, lets say they are all pensioners at an average of £310 that is £31,000 less income, it will mean they will need to flog 1476 cards to pay for the loss. It puts the £20 bloody quid into perspective for goodness sake. (NB to avoid accusations of favouritism over other worthy causes Pensioners have been used as an example)

Obviously BFC3 you are not short of cash, unlike a lot of the current population, and yes, in answer to one of your previous jibes I enjoy a drink of beer, but know my limits both alcohol and money wise. But there are those on this board to whom £20 is a great deal.
I just don’t understand why we have to have such a great big song and dance every time the Club or for that matter any other business decides to make changes.

For the last few months I’ve been reading what a ‘dinosaur’ Mick McCarthy was… Most of it (apparently it would seem) from folk who are incapable of performing a basic function on phones that have been in widespread use for the past 15 years at least.

We can all do mathematics to suit our particular point and the Club has obviously done theirs. If 100 pensioners choose to give up their season tickets for the sake of the price of a Mars bar per game, then that’s up to them, however I’m sure there are significant advantages to encouraging the majority of fans to get onboard with the new system, which more than outweigh any minor financial loss from a few fuddy duddies.

As for cash… I have to manage what I spend just like anyone else, but I haven’t been brought up to think that the world owes me a favour. So I pay my own way and what I can’t afford I do without…I don’t moan about it or expect someone else to cough up on my behalf.

I can understand that some fans might struggle with technology. Though in my opinion, that has more to do with attitude than capability… I don’t accept that old age makes people stupid or necessarily otherwise incapable… Obviously there are exceptions, but we’re talking about basic stuff here, not rocket science.

I can also appreciate that the cost for cards might not please those who feel compelled to use them, but that’s an unfortunate consequence of progress.

What I don’t get is talk of discrimination, ‘targeting of the vulnerable’ or this being ‘morally wrong’, which is absolute baloney and completely unfair. I realise it’s fashionable these days for all and sundry to jump on the whole ‘discrimination’ bandwagon and wave their particular group banner, but it’s not on in my view. It’s not fair to put that kind of shit or level those kinds of accusations at the Club for simply making sensible changes.
 
“A sledgehammer to crack a nut”

Must be the exaggeration of the century… it’s twenty bloody quid for goodness sake.
£20.

The boomer generation don't know how lucky they are. The luckiest generation in the history of these islands.

Bought new cars for 3 and 6. Houses for £300 not £300k. They have more assets, savings and disposable income than anyone else yet try to prise £20 out of them and it's the end of the world.
 
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From what I can find for early bird ST prices for 23/24 season for League 1 These are all low/mid range tickets for those clubs that have released prices already.

Port Vale £335
Exeter £338
Blackpool £349
Wigan £349
Reading £350
Shrewsbury £375
Lincoln £380
Burton £384
Leyton £394
Bristol Rovers £399
Northampton £400
Cheltenham £409
Portsmouth £414
Oxford £420
Charlton £425
Wycombe £456
Thats great, there's are a lot of southern clubs there, but ok.

Also Wigan for eg, it's not exactly a direct comparison.

It's 349 to sit anywhere in their west or east, in our west it's a lot higher in the middle blocks. In their south stand it's cheaper at 329, although we do have the family stand, which is a good price, but that comes with conditions.

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Let's not forget the 349 is only the renewal price for us and not the early bird price. Thats 369, same as in the championship for new ST holders...

Also look at Wigan fans benefits, like we talked about on here to sweeten the deal.

2023/24 SEASON TICKET BENEFITS​

For the upcoming season, 2023/24 Season Ticket Holders will again enjoy many fantastic benefits:
  • Exclusive Latics Store discount
  • Entry to first home Cup game of the 2023/24 season
  • Two complimentary tickets to Club-selected fixture in 2023/24**
  • Eight-monthly instalment option*
  • Priority access to away tickets
  • 2023/24 matchday hospitality discount

So it's a far better deal at Wigan. That's just one Club I've looked at from that list, I bet it's not all as black and white as it appears.
 
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Thats great, there's are a lot of southern clubs there, but ok.

Also Wigan for eg, it's not exactly a direct comparison.

It's 349 to sit anywhere in their west or east, in our west it's a lot higher in the middle blocks. In their south stand it's cheaper at 329, although we do have the family stand, which is a good price, but that comes with conditions.

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Let's not forget the 349 is only the renewal price for us and not the early brid price. Thats 369, same as in the championship for new fans...

Also look at Wigan fans benefits, like we talked about on here to sweeten the deal.

2023/24 SEASON TICKET BENEFITS​

For the upcoming season, 2023/24 Season Ticket Holders will again enjoy many fantastic benefits:
  • Exclusive Latics Store discount
  • Entry to first home Cup game of the 2023/24 season
  • Two complimentary tickets to Club-selected fixture in 2023/24**
  • Eight-monthly instalment option*
  • Priority access to away tickets
  • 2023/24 matchday hospitality discount

So it's a far better deal at Wigan. That's just one Clun I've looked at from that list, I bet it's not all as black and white as it appears.
Clun is a really nice village in Shropshire with a 15th century packhorse bridge. Nice walk up to the castle too.
 
Clun is a really nice village in Shropshire with a 15th century packhorse bridge. Nice walk up to the castle too.
Lol, just shows though, one amount may be similar, but they have a cheaper price too and get multiple benefits attached, so similar to being sat in the north, it costs them 329 and they get the 1st Cup game, shop discount, other tickets etc.

Again, it's showing a bit of creativity.
 
Thats great, there's are a lot of southern clubs there, but ok.

Also Wigan for eg, it's not exactly a direct comparison.

It's 349 to sit anywhere in their west or east, in our west it's a lot higher in the middle blocks. In their south stand it's cheaper at 329, although we do have the family stand, which is a good price, but that comes with conditions.

Let's not forget the 349 is only the renewal price for us and not the early bird price. Thats 369, same as in the championship for new ST holders...

Also look at Wigan fans benefits, like we talked about on here to sweeten the deal.

2023/24 SEASON TICKET BENEFITS​

For the upcoming season, 2023/24 Season Ticket Holders will again enjoy many fantastic benefits:
  • Exclusive Latics Store discount
  • Entry to first home Cup game of the 2023/24 season
  • Two complimentary tickets to Club-selected fixture in 2023/24**
  • Eight-monthly instalment option*
  • Priority access to away tickets
  • 2023/24 matchday hospitality discount

So it's a far better deal at Wigan. That's just one Club I've looked at from that list, I bet it's not all as black and white as it appears.

I get what you're saying re Wigan, but they're nearer to Liverpool & Manchester and they have to fight harder than us against the draw of top Prem teams.
(It's the same for Noblot of course, but they have considerably more history and a much stronger tradition of support being passed through families)

Taking the southern clubs out of that list on the TK's Twitter, we're the 2nd equal cheapest out of 6.
That's got to be seen as reasonable, surely?

* Starts countdown to someone popping up to say we should be the cheapest *
 
£20.

The boomer generation don't know how lucky they are. The luckiest generation in the history of these islands.

Bought new cars for 3 and 6. Houses for £300 not £300k. They have more assets, savings and disposable income than anyone else yet try to prise £20 out of them and it's the end of the world.
Exactly …. the generation that has contributed the least and taken the most… Their sense of entitlement knows no bounds.!!
 
Lol, just shows though, one amount may be similar, but they have a cheaper price too and get multiple benefits attached, so similar to being sat in the north, it costs them 329 and they get the 1st Cup game, shop discount, other tickets etc.

Again, it's showing a bit of creativity.
Looks like our price point is very competitive though, so it kind of puts paid to a lot of the bullshit we’ve seen on this thread and others from the usual suspects.
 
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