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And it's almost as if you blame everything on Brexit. Which you do.
Mainly because it's a crock of shite and you know it, voted for it, but are in denial about it.

If only the country faced up to it then we might actually progress. As long as no blame is attached to it, we can't plan and mitigate.
 
Mainly because it's a crock of shite and you know it, voted for it, but are in denial about it.

If only the country faced up to it then we might actually progress. As long as no blame is attached to it, we can't plan and mitigate.
So Brexit is to blame for soaring inflation?
And no I don't know it. If there were another referendum tomorrow I'd still vote to leave.
Except this time with even more conviction
 
Why should I have to explain it?
It’s so petty that anyone anti-Tory will look to blame the worlds problems onto one government and their decisions.

Inflation across the world rose after the pandemic due to supply chain issues. People stopped making things during the pandemic as they had to stay at home and isolate. So inevitably there was a shortage of goods and demand couldn’t be catered for once lockdowns ended. That drove inflation.
Quantitative easing also has an inflationary effect and this was used by many countries to help their economies keep turning.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine has driven inflation into double figures. We wouldn’t have seen this otherwise. You can moan about the government, and rightly so for many reasons, but with covid and Ukraine and their combined effects it’s absolutely ridiculous to blame them for inflationary effects outside of their control.
Ok through all that waffle I'm glad you've admitted you can "rightly so" moan about the government.
 
All part of the plan. They want massive protests on the streets to justify implement draconian measures which, as Covid showed, huge swathes of the public are only too happy to embrace.
 
It would go some way to mitigating it temporarily, very short term, unless of course you just want to throw 20 billion plus at the problem every few years. I'm not convinced by the inflation argument simply because I'm not convinced the current inflation rate rises have as their cause recent activities (COVID, Ukraine etc) the causes are more long term, and inflation over the last twenty years or more has been artificially suppressed, also inflation and cost of living are not as connected as normally portrayed. To illustrate; the cost of living crisis has been with us since I would say the late 90s, the availability of very cheap credit at every point in the supply chain from extraction to end consumer has masked the cost of living increases, but there comes a point (now) when there is a perfect storm of events that turns what is an economy functioning at the very edge of functionality to one that is collapsing.

New players came onto the market whose primary revenue generator isn't supplying energy, they are leveraging futures and other energy markets and often using energy in the financial system in typical financial system ways. That has provided "competition" based exclusively on the consumer price, so all companies have to bring down charges to stay in the market which forces more of them into speculative activities. These speculative activities brings development to very short term points of view in that the infrastructure and its potential failure is just another point on the speculative risk graph, which can be mostly ignored until near failure. When near failure arrives if they even see it arriving the money behind simply bails out.

I was advocating a while ago for de-profitising (not nationalising) energy and other utilities amongst a few other things, the problem with that is the energy companies and their core profitability are a biggish part of pension plans for workers, so a wholesale de-profitisation programme hurts primarily workers in the long term as much as nationalisation would. The models I have looked at all predominantly impact ordinary workers / people either directly at point of implementation or further down the line even when the changes are specifically designed to help them. The actual act of Starmer's proposal would do little more than prop up a broken industry for another decade.

The issues about rising energy costs get highlighted every few years, but its always seen and analysed as a temporary crisis, and the basic system, as in finance and a couple of other sectors just weathers the immediate storm whilst conditioning the public to a new normal.
You've put a lot of thought into that and I'm buying your fundamental argument. However, I do believe that the sort of Government action that Starmer's calling for can dampen inflation - which is important. Markets respond to big influencers and Governments are among the biggest influencers. Is that a long term solution? No, because of the structural failings you identify. But Britain needs a complete overhaul of economic strategy and that can only happen with a long term change of Government. Not one or two terms but three at least. Here's hoping.
 
You’re still in denial that world events can have an effect on our country beyond our control. We live in a big wide world, not in a little pink fluffy bubble.
Can you please show me where I said Russia's invasion had no effect or do you find it easier winning against imaginary arguments
 
All part of the plan. They want massive protests on the streets to justify implement draconian measures which, as Covid showed, huge swathes of the public are only too happy to embrace.
So just to check you believe the current Government, which doesn't actually exist because it just fell apart and now new people are coming in, have orchestrated massive economic hardship and a worldwide energy crisis so that they can implement Draconian measures while they go head first into losing the next election because the whole party is the least popular it's been in over a decade and in this theory of yours the ** geniuses behind this masterplan include the perpetually unremarkable Liz Truss who can't string full sentences together without cocking it up but is likely to be our next Prime Minister and I'm sorry could you explain what on Earth the motive is again?
 
So Brexit is to blame for soaring inflation?
And no I don't know it. If there were another referendum tomorrow I'd still vote to leave.
Except this time with even more conviction
There is inflation and then there is soaring inflation. When the UK stands out amongst G7 countries as having far higher inflation and much lower growth forecasts, do you not think the catastrophic act of strangling our own economy might just be a contributor to create such difference? Inflation forecasts for the EU next year are around 9.7%. There are forecasts now for the UK of around 18%.

We are in a spiral downwards that started in 2016. This is is the first big event since we elected to go it alone and stand on our own two feet. It's so obvious we are unable to cope with global events on our own.

Why are we continuing to strangle our own country? It's both baffling and criminal that the government sits back and fails to correct the situation which will leave the people of the UK poorer and poorer as the years go by.
 
There is inflation and then there is soaring inflation. When the UK stands out amongst G7 countries as having far higher inflation and much lower growth forecasts, do you not think the catastrophic act of strangling our own economy might just be a contributor to create such difference? Inflation forecasts for the EU next year are around 9.7%. There are forecasts now for the UK of around 18%.

We are in a spiral downwards that started in 2016. This is is the first big event since we elected to go it alone and stand on our own two feet. It's so obvious we are unable to cope with global events on our own.

Why are we continuing to strangle our own country? It's both baffling and criminal that the government sits back and fails to correct the situation which will leave the people of the UK poorer and poorer as the years go by.
No it isn't obvious we can't cope with global events on our own. Only in your one dimensional mind with it's anti UK agenda. So stop talking utter shite.
 
All those virtue signalling Ukrainian flags will be getting binned off. And Greta and all the virtue signalling Greens will be so last year!

No one asked us if we wanted all this so called low carbon footprint nonsense. Now it’s biting us all. They blame the energy companies but to me the government is to blame.

We were all told once to buy Diesel cars now despite huge leaps forwards in emissions technology they are trying to force everyone to go EV. I myself have driven EVs for the past 10 years. I enjoy the torque you get and they suit me. I feel for the average joe with a big family and mortgage.
 
No it isn't obvious we can't cope with global events on our own. Only in your one dimensional mind with it's anti UK agenda. So stop talking utter shite.
The old anti uk agenda slur, well done 👍 What about enemy of the people?
Don't you consider increased paperwork and delays inflationary pressures? Wasn't the single market a wonderful thing!
 
Now it's going to become more expensive travelling in an electric car then petrol!!!


Don’t get me wrong I have driven EVs the past 10 years by choice. That said they should not be rammed down people’s throats like the Labour Government did with Diesels in 2001.

WHAT NO ONE APPEARS TO WANT TO DISCUSS IS THE DEVASTATING EFFECT ON AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY. Think about it?
 
The anti UK 'slur' isn't actually a slur. It's a considered judgement based on his posts on here. It's as plain as day.
And that applies to several others on here. You included
It is a slur and a very unsavoury one at that. A healthy democracy thrives on criticism, your line of attack is trying to shut it down. Please change the record and enlighten us all with the benefits, otherwise I'll quite happily continue to criticise it.
 
It is a slur and a very unsavoury one at that. A healthy democracy thrives on criticism, your line of attack is trying to shut it down. Please change the record and enlighten us all with the benefits, otherwise I'll quite happily continue to criticise it.
Changing the constant Brexit record from you and others would be preferable
 
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