A few things still bugging me

Larryknows said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the membership scheme really and I don't think it's difficult either. Maybe it could be a more nominal fee to take out that initial big splurge at the same time as tickets but on the other hand if u just want one game every now and then you wouldn't look to buy a membership.
I don't think reducing the prices to target people who only come if the suns shining and we are playing well and it's against a decent team and they're not busy and it's not cold is the way to go.
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So what is the way, How does the club get more home fans into the ground?
 
Philbfctrois said:
So what is the way, How does the club get more home fans into the ground?
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Memberships could be a fiver cheaper and there could be a marketing campaign with them aswell maybe even a bogof or somet.
I think the problem from our point of view is we look at maximising how many fans are in where as the club look at maximising revenue from fans attending with least risk. Both will be quite different.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nothing?

He cost us nothing and we have enjoyed him for 2 seasons

We should be absolutely trying to keep him as we simply can't and won't replace him for the money being talked about
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Looks like we have already replaced him , and any money we get may be used for a top find in the future . You can't rely on one player . If he gets injured we will be relying on other players to muck in and that what football teams are about. Its not as if we are going to win the league by hanging on to him ,but we won't get relegated without him.
 
Philbfctrois said:
All this 'cash in' nonsense about Josh Bowler
He's by far our best player and anything less than about 7 million is an absolute steal. The club holds his contract so they should be telling clubs offering 3 million or so to fcuk right off.

Bit disappointed with the low home crowds this season, 9k or so yesterday so thats very few walk up sales, come on Blackpool fc do something with these match day prices for home fans.

Appleton is a vast improvement on Critchley, the football is fast and attacking which considering the injury list is remarkable, its about time he got the credit he deserves for the start to this season.

Utmp ...
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10,305 yesterday wasn’t it?
 
Could have brought 3 family members who were visiting me to the game yesterday.. however the price way to high 90 pounds for 3 tickets.. you would hope that next year or even this year.. ST holders can have a discount when buying any additional tickets...say allowed to buy 8 extra tickets each season at 15 pounds each.. that's how you fill the ground and introduce new fans to BFC...
 
I reckon there's a fair few that were "Walk-ons" when you could just decide at midday or later even then just pay at the turnstile losing that option has meant many now jut don't come at all unless its a particularly "Big" game then they'll make the effort to get a ticket . Too much Faffing about with tickets / memberships etc for the casual fan or holidaymaker that doesn't fancy trapesing around with the Mrs or being collard to do jobs around the house .
 
JJpool said:
This cake and eat it is wrong....

You can have it somewhat, you just need to find the price point and engage the local area.

So far we've had away crowds well under the normal away end capacity, some will be well over it.

Let's say we average 2.5k away fans, which seems a reasonable estimate.

OK so 2.5k x 29 (adult prices for ease of comparison) x 23 games = 1,667,500

So far we have 8.5k ST holders and are maybe getting 1k match ticket sales only.

Some will be paying full whack and some with memberships, the breakdown unknown but let's say people pay an average of 27 quid.

1k x 27 x 23 games = 621,000 plus 1k have membership but don't all go to every game so 1000 x 15 = 15,000.

Add all that up and we get = 2,303,500

Obviously in reality it's less than that given the various price categories but for this comparison it's ok.

So if we were to charge 23 quid....

Away fan average rises to 2.7k, an extra 200 on average. 2.7k x 22 x 23 games = 1,366,200

If we get an extra 600 people coming at that lower price, which seems eminently achievable as its a lot lower, so 1600.

1600 x 23 x 23 games = 846,400

Add that up and we get = 2,212,600

Add in the increased spend on the day in the bar and shop and you're getting very close, only 600 or so home fans to come, I think if marketed as one of the cheapest prices in the championship, drop some leaflets etc etc we can easily do that if not surpass it.

Also thats charging away fans a quid less, at Burnley it was 30 despite the view being blocked partially by a support, it must only have been less directly behing it, so not sure we even need to charge less, charge 23 the same as home fans and we're up.

Now I know you don't like these hypothetical estimates but it shows how you can make similar amounts.

So when there's not a lot in it I will always prioritise more fans in the ground and building for the future.

Even if less than estimated came and there was a small loss and we had to have 1 lesser player on the books... I'd rather do it.

Don't you think we could attract those sort of numbers at those prices?
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The problem with making figure comparisons is one of certainty and uncertainty. With away prices it's a case of certainty (near as). When you look at lower prices it's a case of a host of 'if's'.

Now, I think the if's far outweigh the certainty of higher prices in so many different ways. Attracting one walk on in a %age of cases will attract another walk on (mate from pub, dad takes kid) for one.

Here is the problem; it requires thought and a little bravery to implement. And quite frankly it's easier for those in charge to do nothing and carry on as every one else does.
 
Philbfctrois said:
All this 'cash in' nonsense about Josh Bowler
He's by far our best player and anything less than about 7 million is an absolute steal. The club holds his contract so they should be telling clubs offering 3 million or so to fcuk right off.

Bit disappointed with the low home crowds this season, 9k or so yesterday so thats very few walk up sales, come on Blackpool fc do something with these match day prices for home fans.

Appleton is a vast improvement on Critchley, the football is fast and attacking which considering the injury list is remarkable, its about time he got the credit he deserves for the start to this season.

Utmp ...
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Yeah, sub 10k home fans on a sunny bank holiday weekend in august is as good an indication as any that the club simply got it wrong this year.
 
fcblackpool said:
The problem with making figure comparisons is one of certainty and uncertainty. With away prices it's a case of certainty (near as). When you look at lower prices it's a case of a host of 'if's'.

Now, I think the if's far outweigh the certainty of higher prices in so many different ways. Attracting one walk on in a %age of cases will attract another walk on (mate from pub, dad takes kid) for one.

Here is the problem; it requires thought and a little bravery to implement. And quite frankly it's easier for those in charge to do nothing and carry on as every one else does.
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Obviously that's an example as we don't have access to the clubs figures nor did I even try and break that down into the categories, but you'd expect it to scale the same.

The point generally is if you get the price right and it's attractive and affordable, if you market it and push it properly, I really don't see how we couldn't at least get close the the same revenue, which if you're getting bigger numbers in for a similar amount that's a win.

Does it require a little bravery and belief, maybe, but you have to go all in on it, as I said leaflet drop the whole area, could get fans involved in it, push it online. It creates a feelgood factor, 23 quid for championship football wow that's really good, the club are doing all they can during a cost of living crisis, it can galvanise the community, gets people talking.

600 more ticket home fans at 23 quid sounds doable to me, we're probably down 500+ match day tickets anyway and that's due to money no doubt, so makes sense that as it's cheaper a lot of these people come back more regularly, plus you then attract new people and the more casual fans.

Its not like we've been a normal club and have generations of fans built up, we need many full stadiums, cup runs, relative success to keep building.

Filling the stadium should be one of the top priorities, with the low numbers we're getting it looks eminently achievable that you could make similar with a lower price strategy, more attending and build the club too. Yes its easy for me to say on here but other clubs do this successfully.
 
I think you could easily replace the word “Bravery” with “Stupidity” and come up with a viable counter argument.

Cheap is ‘Cheap’ … It’s the lowest common denominator in terms of solutions and it doesn’t really take much in the way of ingenuity to come up with.

The biggest problem with cheap is that it’s very difficult to wind back and get yourself back on track and charging a proper ‘value based’ price once you head down the slippery slope.

The price has a role to play obviously…. You can be too expensive and maybe we are ? But if the price is the main driver, then that’s not a good place to be IMO.
 
JJpool said:
Obviously that's an example as we don't have access to the clubs figures nor did I even try and break that down into the categories, but you'd expect it to scale the same.

The point generally is if you get the price right and it's attractive and affordable, if you market it and push it properly, I really don't see how we couldn't at least get close the the same revenue, which if you're getting bigger numbers in for a similar amount that's a win.

Does it require a little bravery and belief, maybe, but you have to go all in on it, as I said leaflet drop the whole area, could get fans involved in it, push it online. It creates a feelgood factor, 23 quid for championship football wow that's really good, the club are doing all they can during a cost of living crisis, it can galvanise the community, gets people talking.

600 more ticket home fans at 23 quid sounds doable to me, we're probably down 500+ match day tickets anyway and that's due to money no doubt, so makes sense that as it's cheaper a lot of these people come back more regularly, plus you then attract new people and the more casual fans.

Its not like we've been a normal club and have generations of fans built up, we need many full stadiums, cup runs, relative success to keep building.

Filling the stadium should be one of the top priorities, with the low numbers we're getting it looks eminently achievable that you could make similar with a lower price strategy, more attending and build the club too. Yes its easy for me to say on here but other clubs do this successfully.
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Totally agree.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think you could easily replace the word “Bravery” with “Stupidity” and come up with a viable counter argument.

Cheap is ‘Cheap’ … It’s the lowest common denominator in terms of solutions and it doesn’t really take much in the way of ingenuity to come up with.

The biggest problem with cheap is that it’s very difficult to wind back and get yourself back on track and charging a proper ‘value based’ price once you head down the slippery slope.

The price has a role to play obviously…. You can be too expensive and maybe we are ? But if the price is the main driver, then that’s not a good place to be IMO.
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Stupidity is not even being interested in trying.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think you could easily replace the word “Bravery” with “Stupidity” and come up with a viable counter argument.

Cheap is ‘Cheap’ … It’s the lowest common denominator in terms of solutions and it doesn’t really take much in the way of ingenuity to come up with.

The biggest problem with cheap is that it’s very difficult to wind back and get yourself back on track and charging a proper ‘value based’ price once you head down the slippery slope.

The price has a role to play obviously…. You can be too expensive and maybe we are ? But if the price is the main driver, then that’s not a good place to be IMO.
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Well it's a big factor as is showing as we seem to be down quite a lot and the only thing that's really changed is money is far tighter.

A cheaper price and no membership is easier too, the easier it is to attend and the less barriers or steps, the more will do it.

I don’t see why we'd have to put it back up if we did make similar amounts and get more in.

As the stadium capacity starts to be filled then yes when demand is there you can raise a bit and get away with it, but were nowhere neat that.

We've seen with the nobbers that you can galvanise a community with a price point and generate a real buzz. For us the match day tickets price is better than a ST price as the nature of the town etc. We won't get quite as many ST holders I don’t think as we're not there yet, but match ticket sales being priced right to get as many in and draw new people in is probably far more important.
 
fcblackpool said:
Stupidity is not even being interested in trying.
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Not really… You can evaluate the merit of a range of different pricing options without the need to try every single one…

The wonderful thing about Football is that there’s very likely going to be someone somewhere who’s already tried it for you…

And ideally if you can learn from other people’s mistakes then that’s better than being forced to learn from your own.

It’s not just football either…. As I said previously “Go Cheap” is hardly sone kind of genius business model. It’s pretty much the go to place for those who know no better.

To my mind, it’s a pointless unsustainable business model… That doesn’t mean I think we should be overpriced, nor that we aren’t already overpriced (I’ve genuinely no idea whether we are or we aren’t) .. Just that “Cheap” is the wrong way to be thinking.

Far better to work on making people aware of the great stuff going on at the Club and billing your focus around value than price.
 
SeasideMac said:
Some of Bowlers play was unbelievable yesterday. The ball seems to be stuck to his boot sometimes. Constantly had 4/5 players around him and still finds a way out. What I also liked is that he was through the middle towards the 2.tend and looked quality there too. That run when he was brought down at the edge of the box, brilliant. He will be a massive loss if he goes. 2.5 to 4m is peanuts and would be a steal, even though he's in the last year of the contract. We should be demanding bigger money for him.
MA has been superb for us. The players are sussing out how he wants them to play and we'll only get better under him.
A million times more exciting than watching Quitchleys teams!
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I’m beginning to think he might actually be better than my all time legend the wonderful Tony Green.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
To my mind, it’s a pointless unsustainable business model… That doesn’t mean I think we should be overpriced, nor that we aren’t already overpriced (I’ve genuinely no idea whether we are or we aren’t) .. Just that “Cheap” is the wrong way to be thinking.

Far better to work on making people aware of the great stuff going on at the Club and billing your focus around value than price
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The numbers are telling us we are, the people who talk to casual fans say they think we are too much, people posing it on here are telling us we are.

I don’t see how it's unsustainable if it makes similar money.

As for your last line why can't we do that as well as be priced better to maximise numbers?
 
Don't we have to charge the same prices to both home and away fans?
Isn't the membership some form of loophole to charge less for home supporters?

We're always in an interesting position as a club due to most away fans making a holiday out of an away trip to Blackpool.
 
JJpool said:
The numbers are telling us we are, the people who talk to casual fans say they think we are too much, people posing it on here are telling us we are.

I don’t see how it's unsustainable if it makes similar money.

As for your last line why can't we do that as well as be priced better to maximise numbers?
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How do you know what “the numbers are telling us”?

The numbers don’t seem any different to last season to me.

But even if they’ve dropped off a bit that could be down to all manner of things:-

Second Season apathy
Change of Manager
Cost of Living Crisis
Early start to Season
Perception of poor transfer window
Sadler honeymoon over

Etc etc…

As I’ve said before people will always moan that prices are too high, so a few people whinging is not the best barometer… Especially when most of them pretty much always whinge about prices anyway.

I don’t disagree with you that price is a factor… I just don’t agree with going down the B&M Bargains business model.
 
gjr69 said:
On a positive note the music after the game was better, prefer leaving the stadium with Joy Division playing than Kenny Loggins singing footloose or whatever shit they usually played!!
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Dance, dance, dance to the radio....

Also got "Hit the North" pre match but cos the PA is shite, justice was not done to Mark E's pure genius.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
How do you know what “the numbers are telling us”?

The numbers don’t seem any different to last season to me.

But even if they’ve dropped off a bit that could be down to all manner of things:-

Second Season apathy
Change of Manager
Cost of Living Crisis
Early start to Season
Perception of poor transfer window
Sadler honeymoon over

Etc etc…

As I’ve said before people will always moan that prices are too high, so a few people whinging is not the best barometer… Especially when most of them pretty much always whinge about prices anyway.

I don’t disagree with you that price is a factor… I just don’t agree with going down the B&M Bargains business model.
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Are you two still going at this? The stamina you both have is incredible.
 
td53 said:
Dance, dance, dance to the radio....

Also got "Hit the North" pre match but cos the PA is shite, justice was not done to Mark E's pure genius.
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missed that one, is somebody new with half a clue now in charge of music? How much would a decent pa cost? If the music is going to be better then worth the investment.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
How do you know what “the numbers are telling us”?

The numbers don’t seem any different to last season to me.

But even if they’ve dropped off a bit that could be down to all manner of things:-

Second Season apathy
Change of Manager
Cost of Living Crisis
Early start to Season
Perception of poor transfer window
Sadler honeymoon over

Etc etc…

As I’ve said before people will always moan that prices are too high, so a few people whinging is not the best barometer… Especially when most of them pretty much always whinge about prices anyway.

I don’t disagree with you that price is a factor… I just don’t agree with going down the B&M Bargains business model.
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The attendances have been really poor from the start, the season opener is usually better attended and the games that followed also poor.

Yes some factors may also play a part but not as big as price in a cost of living crisis, it's obvious really.

I don’t agree with a top end (considering the area) pricing strategy and by the looks of it neither do many ticket fans.
 
JJpool said:
The attendances have been really poor from the start, the season opener is usually better attended and the games that followed also poor.

Yes some factors may also play a part but not as big as price in a cost of living crisis, it's obvious really.

I don’t agree with a top end (considering the area) pricing strategy and by the looks of it neither do many ticket fans.
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How many home Fans on Saturday ? 9,800?
 
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