A few things still bugging me

gjr69 said:
missed that one, is somebody new with half a clue now in charge of music? How much would a decent pa cost? If the music is going to be better then worth the investment.
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Was quite early. I got in early cos was going to go to the Bloomfield, walked in and thought 'fuck that' cos the bar was rammed so went and got a pint in the ground instead.
 
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td53 said:
Was quite early. I got in early cos was going to go to the Bloomfield, walked in and thought 'fuck that' cos the bar was rammed so went and got a pint in the ground instead.
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And you were treated to Hit the North so not all bad!!
 
JJpool said:
Depends how many they brought.

With 8.5k ST we should be doing far better than we have so far.

Blackburn, a local Derby on wed and we should be selling out for that but I doubt we will.
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Well they brought around 1,000 by all accounts, which would suggest the home crowd was probably up on the similarly timed fixtures last season.

I mean we only scraped just above 10K home fans for the Blackburn fixture… Barnsley was around 9,500…

Am I missing something obvious?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Not really… You can evaluate the merit of a range of different pricing options without the need to try every single one…

The wonderful thing about Football is that there’s very likely going to be someone somewhere who’s already tried it for you…

And ideally if you can learn from other people’s mistakes then that’s better than being forced to learn from your own.

It’s not just football either…. As I said previously “Go Cheap” is hardly sone kind of genius business model. It’s pretty much the go to place for those who know no better.

To my mind, it’s a pointless unsustainable business model… That doesn’t mean I think we should be overpriced, nor that we aren’t already overpriced (I’ve genuinely no idea whether we are or we aren’t) .. Just that “Cheap” is the wrong way to be thinking.

Far better to work on making people aware of the great stuff going on at the Club and billing your focus around value than price.
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We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and it's only going to get worse. Fact is inflation is soaring and people's disposable income is going down. I don't understand your objection to lowering prices under those circumstances. Attendances appear to be down this season which suggests fans are finding it hard to find the money. A cut in price would encourage more casual fans to spend their hard earned money at the club. £30 for a ticket in the Championship is too high.
 
Superbretty said:
We are in the middle of a cost of living crisis and it's only going to get worse. Fact is inflation is soaring and people's disposable income is going down. I don't understand your objection to lowering prices under those circumstances. Attendances appear to be down this season which suggests fans are finding it hard to find the money. A cut in price would encourage more casual fans to spend their hard earned money at the club. £30 for a ticket in the Championship is too high.
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I don’t object to lowering prices
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Well they brought around 1,000 by all accounts, which would suggest the home crowd was probably up on the similarly timed fixtures last season.

I mean we only scraped just above 10K home fans for the Blackburn fixture… Barnsley was around 9,500…

Am I missing something obvious?
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Its hard to evaluate exact numbers as annoyingly we don't release them which would make it a lot easier, again why?

The Bristol game looked a few more in than before but following a great result and the football we're playing its still really low.

Last season early on was just post covid.

But the home crowds are not looking great this season, which given the initial ST 8.5k minimum is poor.

The attendance vs Swansea was just over 11k and they brought 1500 aprox.

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The attendance was 11,079, not the 11.5k on the BBC.

Thats about 9.5k home fans, minus off those in hospitality, prob a few hundred and that less than 1k match tickets, 700 maybe, really poor.
 
JJpool said:
Its hard to evaluate exact numbers as annoyingly we don't release them which would make it a lot easier, again why?

The Bristol game looked a few more in than before but following a great result and the football we're playing its still really low.

Last season early on was just post covid.

But the home crowds are not looking great this season, which given the initial ST 8.5k minimum is poor.

The attendance vs Swansea was just over 11k and they brought 1500 aprox.

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The attendance was 11,079, not the 11.5k on the BBC.

Thats about 9.5k home fans, minus off those in hospitality, prob a few hundred and that less than 1k match tickets, 700 maybe, really poor.
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Sounds like a lot of last years match day support has maybe converted to STH’s?
 
Superbretty said:
You said cheap is the lowest common denominator in terms of solutions. I don't believe that is the case. Cheaper prices and higher attendances make financial sense.
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Yes I did… And it is…

That doesn’t mean I object to lowering the Ticket Price if it’s too high though.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sounds like a lot of last years match day support has maybe converted to STH’s?
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Yeah seems some will have and a few on here said that.

I suppose it doesn't matter how we make up the crowd, however its been a bit disappointing so far but hardly a surprise given the summer, price, more hoops to jump through, money tight etc.

The Blackburn game although on a weeknight should still be a decent crowd, but its not looking any different to another game so far in the run up on the seat site...

If that's poor then it'll be very disappointing.
 
Killingmesoftly said:
Is that counting all the season ticket holders even if their not there? I thought the west looked bit sparse yesterday?
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It was 10.8k and yes they've always counted st even of they don't go.

However I did say it looked maybe about 9.7 or 9.8k sold on the site, plus hospitality it looked like it might be above 10k, but it never seems to match reality and was less.
 
JJpool said:
Yeah seems some will have and a few on here said that.

I suppose it doesn't matter how we make up the crowd, however its been a bit disappointing so far but hardly a surprise given the summer, price, more hoops to jump through, money tight etc.

The Blackburn game although on a weeknight should still be a decent crowd, but its not looking any different to another game so far in the run up on the seat site...

If that's poor then it'll be very disappointing.
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But if we’ve got more STH’s, appear to have maybe improved our home attendances and have also managed to get more revenue from away fans then perhaps it’s actually not as bad as was thought….

Obviously the Matchday price is (at least anecdotally) putting a few off… But it was probably a big driving factor in people opting for a Seadon Ticket instead….

Hmmm…. The knob end game might be a reasonable barometer….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
But if we’ve got more STH’s, appear to have maybe improved our home attendances and have also managed to get more revenue from away fans then perhaps it’s actually not as bad as was thought….

Obviously the Matchday price is (at least anecdotally) putting a few off… But it was probably a big driving factor in people opting for a Seadon Ticket instead….

Hmmm…. The knob end game might be a reasonable barometer….
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I don’t think we have improved, we had 10k or more quite a lot last season with a lot of covid worry early on, not yet hit that this season, which when you consider the first game is usually a bit of a bumper crowd....

What we can say is technically its slightly cheaper for some for Blackburn, although you can't compare a night game exactly.

But it was 28 last season.

In reality, if it was a sat game it should be a higher attendance, if the membership scheme was adopted which again we have no data on. But I don't think that's been a hit either.

The club said they listened on the membership scheme, who did they listen to? Which group pushed it to them?
 
JJpool said:
I don’t think we have improved, we had 10k or more quite a lot last season with a lot of covid worry early on, not yet hit that this season, which when you consider the first game is usually a bit of a bumper crowd....

What we can say is technically its slightly cheaper for some for Blackburn, although you can't compare a night game exactly.

But it was 28 last season.

In reality, if it was a sat game it should be a higher attendance, if the membership scheme was adopted which again we have no data on. But I don't think that's been a hit either.

The club said they listened on the membership scheme, who did they listen to? Which group pushed it to them?
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I don’t know… I think the Membership scheme idea might have been thrown in at one of the ‘Uber-Supporter’ Engagement meetings..

Anyway, you can’t be attributing last seasons attendances to CoViD and then blaming this season’s on the pricing policy…. It’s either up on last season or it isn’t…(beyond that, we’re entering into ‘make it up as you go along’ territory)…

Based on the figures up to this point, attendances seem to be up on same time last season.

I naturally assumed they must have been lower, given all the whingeing.
 
Sunpool said:
Could have brought 3 family members who were visiting me to the game yesterday.. however the price way to high 90 pounds for 3 tickets.. you would hope that next year or even this year.. ST holders can have a discount when buying any additional tickets...say allowed to buy 8 extra tickets each season at 15 pounds each.. that's how you fill the ground and introduce new fans to BFC...
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To be fair Bristol City and Reading are about the most uninspiring home fixtures we could have started with.

One variable not mentioned is our attendances have always fluctuated depending on who the opponent is and I believe this segment of fans make up a good chunk of the potential non ST sales. Even in the 60s-early 70s we'd have a 9000 crowd home to the Bristol City of the day then 18'000 next game with a more atrractive opponent.

Away sales + locals enticed cause Blackpools V Forest is more attractive than Blackpool v Reading as a spectacle is always the "missing 2000".

My dad is one of them since he moved to Yorkshire , goes to maybe 5 a season, hes never mentioned the price just said he calls and they post the tickets to him. He's the "floating fan", people who can't afford dinner don't go to football matches, never have.
 
As someone that lives in the Manchester area and can't commit to too many games I think the membership scheme is good for me, as long as I go to at least 3 home games (which I will easily) it's paid for itself anyway with £5 off each match
 
Barbarian said:
I've obviously mmissed this.
As an exile, I only get back to Lancashire 2 or 3 times during the season.
I've got to get a membership (is this annual?) so I can attend a game? That's £15.
What does this give me? It doesn't prove I'm local - clearly I'm not. So does this mean I can't get one?
And it's now £30 per ticket for each game?
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You get £5 off for each match ticket for yourself so if you go to 3 games it pays for itself anyway
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So what’s that then ?

20-30% of the average Matchday ticket sales?
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The point is 300 more season tickets yet 1000 less walk up sales

Now I'm no accounting genius but surely working on an average over the season 300 reduced price season tickets makes the match day revenue lower than it would with around 1000 walk up sales

It shouldn't even really be up for debate

We have less home fans this season, them the facts pal
 
Philbfctrois said:
The point is 300 more season tickets yet 1000 less walk up sales

Now I'm no accounting genius but surely working on an average over the season 300 reduced price season tickets makes the match day revenue lower than it would with around 1000 walk up sales

It shouldn't even really be up for debate

We have less home fans this season, them the facts pal
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You’re right about not being a counting genius.

We had 9,500 home fans for an equivalent fixture last season. This season we’ve had 9,800.

I don’t know about your Maths, but mine indicate that’s 300 more home fans this year vs last year.

Break that down however you like, but 9,800 is definitely ‘more’ than 9,500.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re right about not being a counting genius.

We had 9,500 home fans for an equivalent fixture last season. This season we’ve had 9,800.

I don’t know about your Maths, but mine indicate that’s 300 more home fans this year vs last year.

Break that down however you like, but 9,800 is definitely ‘more’ than 9,500.
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But we didn't mate, Bristol City brought more than last season meaning our home crowd was lower

Season ticket sale attendance or not still count so we are down on walk up sales
 
Philbfctrois said:
But we didn't mate, Bristol City brought more than last season meaning our home crowd was lower

Season ticket sale attendance or not still count so we are down on walk up sales
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I’m not on about Bristol City… I’m talking about our home attendances this time last year.

So if walk on sales are down, then Season Ticket sales must be up by more than Walk Ons are down.
 
A good discussion with good points made but I think we're heading for a Monty Python sketch again.

Not that what I say matters but I'm example of what you are discussing above or perhaps the reverse as I had a season ticket last season, missed about 7 or 8 games and didn't get one this season.

I've always said that the price - obviously within reason - doesn't matter to me but they are not having 30 sheets from me.

I'm thinking of having a day out in Huddersfield next week, only £20 to get in and about £20 for the rattler.

I don't know if Mansford reads AVFTT or not but he can have a pony from me for a ticket to the Rovers game and no more.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
A good discussion with good points made but I think we're heading for a Monty Python sketch again.

Not that what I say matters but I'm example of what you are discussing above or perhaps the reverse as I had a season ticket last season, missed about 7 or 8 games and didn't get one this season.

I've always said that the price - obviously within reason - doesn't matter to me but they are not having 30 sheets from me.

I'm thinking of having a day out in Huddersfield next week, only £20 to get in and about £20 for the rattler.

I don't know if Mansford reads AVFTT or not but he can have a pony from me for a ticket to the Rovers game and no more.
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I’m not convinced that giving Mr Mansford a Richard the third is likely to get you a ticket.

Edit: In a serious note I find it strange that You’re willing to pay £40 to go to game, but think that £30 is a price you won’t pay.

Surely better to save an Ayrton and give Blackpool, rather than Huddersfield the revenue?
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not convinced that giving Mr Mansford a Richard the third is likely to get you a ticket.

Edit: In a serious note I find it strange that You’re willing to pay £40 to go to game, but think that £30 is a price you won’t pay.

Surely better to save an Ayrton and give Blackpool, rather than Huddersfield the revenue?
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I'm fairly sure that you knew I was talking about a pony as in the monetary term and not an Eartha Kitt.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm fairly sure that you knew I was talking about a pony as in the monetary term and not an Eartha Kitt.
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Just seen the rest of your post now.

Huddersfield - I've got feck all to do next Sunday and the racing will be chite so I fancy going.

Blackburn - It was a sh1t flounce by me, if I'm bored on Wednesday, I'll go if it's £35 and I wouldn't have been to any other games this season if had been free, so I'm probably not a good example as I originally suggested.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t know… I think the Membership scheme idea might have been thrown in at one of the ‘Uber-Supporter’ Engagement meetings..

Anyway, you can’t be attributing last seasons attendances to CoViD and then blaming this season’s on the pricing policy…. It’s either up on last season or it isn’t…(beyond that, we’re entering into ‘make it up as you go along’ territory)…

Based on the figures up to this point, attendances seem to be up on same time last season.

I naturally assumed they must have been lower, given all the whingeing.
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How are they up?

Last seasons opener was heavily affected by a big covid hangover for some but was also hit by a similar pricing structure for big games, 28 quid, it shouldn't have been 28 quid or 30 on the day for that one. The factors do matter.

With a higher base to start from we should be having higher attendances, certainly not less, even if some have swapped match ticket sales for a ST, not all have.

The south has looked prerty sparse at times this season, as have some other areas.

The Reading game last year had slightly more there, ours this year was the first game of the season too and it still got less, usually an inflated crowd 1st game too. Reading last time brought less being crap last year, they brought a few more for the 1st game of the season this time.

9.5k home fans vs Swansea again is poor, but given the circumstances not really surprising.

Bristol may have gone up a little but given the way we're starting to play, a great result against a local side the game before, to struggle to break 10k is poor when having a minimum of 8.5k to start.
 
JJpool said:
How are they up?

Last seasons opener was heavily affected by a big covid hangover for some but was also hit by a similar pricing structure for big games, 28 quid, it shouldn't have been 28 quid or 30 on the day for that one. The factors do matter.

With a higher base to start from we should be having higher attendances, certainly not less, even if some have swapped match ticket sales for a ST, not all have.

The south has looked prerty sparse at times this season, as have some other areas.

The Reading game last year had slightly more there, ours this year was the first game of the season too and it still got less, usually an inflated crowd 1st game too. Reading last time brought less being crap last year, they brought a few more for the 1st game of the season this time.

9.5k home fans vs Swansea again is poor, but given the circumstances not really surprising.

Bristol may have gone up a little but given the way we're starting to play, a great result against a local side the game before, to struggle to break 10k is poor when having a minimum of 8.5k to start.
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It’s fairly straightforward really…

You take the games played at this time last year and then you compare the actual
home attendances from this year with last years actual home attendances.

You don’t manufacture excuses about CoViD

You don’t make stuff up in your head based on “how things look”

You don’t create a ‘usually’ scenario in your mind and pretend that is reality.

You just go off reality rather than pretending 👍

So last year in the opening games we played..

Cardiff 9,600 -9,700
Coventry 9400 - 9500
Fulham 9,400 - 9500
Huddersfield 9,400 - 9500
Barnsley 9,400 - 9,500
Blackburn 10,200 (Local Derby)

This year in the opening games we played

Reading 9,700 - 9,800
Swansea 9,800 - 9,900
Bristol City 9700 - 9800


Simples 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s fairly straightforward really…

You take the games played at this time last year and then you compare the actual
home attendances from this year with last years actual home attendances.

You don’t manufacture excuses about CoViD

You don’t make stuff up in your head based on “how things look”

You don’t create a ‘usually’ scenario in your mind and pretend that is reality.

You just go off reality rather than pretending 👍

So last year in the opening games we played..

Cardiff 9,600 -9,700
Coventry 9400 - 9500
Fulham 9,400 - 9500
Huddersfield 9,400 - 9500
Barnsley 9,400 - 9,500
Blackburn 10,200 (Local Derby)

This year in the opening games we played

Reading 9,700 - 9,800
Swansea 9,800 - 9,900
Bristol City 9700 - 9800


Simples 👍
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I've already showed you the Swansea figure was 9.5k if they had 1.5k and it was 11k. So not sure where you're getting your breakdowns from.

It's not manufacturing excuses to say coming out of a pandemic some people were still very cautious, it then came around again around Xmas. We grew as the season went on. Youd expect us to retain that.

Comparing like for like games were down. Reading is down, played in feb last time and they brought more away fans this, 1st game this should definitely be ahead with no covid issues, unless price is a huge factor....

Swansea there was a deal last time so can't really compare.

Bristol city down about couple hundred overall.

The point is we have more ST so match day sales are way down, which is what we're discussing, yes overall attendance matters too, but we should be doing better from a higher base if the membership scheme was a hit, as it does actually provide cheaper games then the top cat last season. But more expensive for the rest.

But also 30 quid for casuals for whom a membersip isn't inviting is putting them off, we know this, many have said and just won't pay it. There's many anecdotal accounts of people not willing to pay it. Even some away fans have said 29 is a disgrace.

A little over 1k ticket fans is pretty poor, especially as this membership scheme is meant to work, I don’t see any evidence it's a hit so far.
 
JJpool said:
I've already showed you the Swansea figure was 9.5k if they had 1.5k and it was 11k. So not sure where you're getting your breakdowns from.

It's not manufacturing excuses to say coming out of a pandemic some people were still very cautious, it then came around again around Xmas. We grew as the season went on. Youd expect us to retain that.

Comparing like for like games were down. Reading is down, played in feb last time and they brought more away fans this, 1st game this should definitely be ahead with no covid issues, unless price is a huge factor....

Swansea there was a deal last time so can't really compare.

Bristol city down about couple hundred overall.

The point is we have more ST so match day sales are way down, which is what we're discussing, yes overall attendance matters too, but we should be doing better from a higher base if the membership scheme was a hit, as it does actually provide cheaper games then the top cat last season. But more expensive for the rest.

But also 30 quid for casuals for whom a membersip isn't inviting is putting them off, we know this, many have said and just won't pay it. There's many anecdotal accounts of people not willing to pay it. Even some away fans have said 29 is a disgrace.

A little over 1k ticket fans is pretty poor, especially as this membership scheme is meant to work, I don’t see any evidence it's a hit so far.
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I think most people agree that £30 is too much. It doesn’t seem to have made a massive difference in numbers though.

We’ll probably average similar to last season and that’s with the cost of living issues.

I don’t like the term ‘casual fans’, it’s an oxymoron and they’re not people we should prioritise.

£30 is still to much though.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
I think most people agree that £30 is too much. It doesn’t seem to have made a massive difference in numbers though.

We’ll probably average similar to last season and that’s with the cost of living issues.

I don’t like the term ‘casual fans’, it’s an oxymoron and they’re not people we should prioritise.

£30 is still to much though.
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The fan who can only attend a couple of games a season is exactly the fan the club should be prioritising
 
JJpool said:
I've already showed you the Swansea figure was 9.5k if they had 1.5k and it was 11k. So not sure where you're getting your breakdowns from.

It's not manufacturing excuses to say coming out of a pandemic some people were still very cautious, it then came around again around Xmas. We grew as the season went on. Youd expect us to retain that.

Comparing like for like games were down. Reading is down, played in feb last time and they brought more away fans this, 1st game this should definitely be ahead with no covid issues, unless price is a huge factor....

Swansea there was a deal last time so can't really compare.

Bristol city down about couple hundred overall.

The point is we have more ST so match day sales are way down, which is what we're discussing, yes overall attendance matters too, but we should be doing better from a higher base if the membership scheme was a hit, as it does actually provide cheaper games then the top cat last season. But more expensive for the rest.

But also 30 quid for casuals for whom a membersip isn't inviting is putting them off, we know this, many have said and just won't pay it. There's many anecdotal accounts of people not willing to pay it. Even some away fans have said 29 is a disgrace.

A little over 1k ticket fans is pretty poor, especially as this membership scheme is meant to work, I don’t see any evidence it's a hit so far.
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You can’t compare games that occurred at completely different points in the season. 😂

And of course Matchday attendances are down as a big chunk of them bough Season Tickets (think about it 🤪
 
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