ALL Lives Matter

Matesrates said:
Just to be clear, I have a black sister in law, two black nephews, in my business, my senior guy was black and remains a close friend. I also worked in both Moss Side and Brixton, so don’t accuse me of being racist. I probably know more about blacks than you do.
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I can't be a racist. Some of my friends are black...
 
Matesrates said:
Just to be clear, I have a black sister in law, two black nephews, in my business, my senior guy was black and remains a close friend. I also worked in both Moss Side and Brixton, so don’t accuse me of being racist. I probably know more about blacks than you do.
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And you wish the lot of them would shut the fcuk up. Essentially that is what you said.
 
So in summary...

All Lives Matter -True

Black Lives Matter - True

Saying “Black Lives Matters“ is NOT the same as saying “Only Black Lives Matter” - True

Saying “I’m fed up of hearing about Black Lives Matter” - true for that person. May or may not be a reasonable position to take.

Saying “I’m fed up of listening to White People grumbling about Black People grumbling” - true for that person. May or may not be a reasonable position to take.

So is that where we’re at?
 
Some interesting responses, and politics are obviously filling the void with the lack of football ... well, proper league one football, and our beloved BFC.

I have just returned home following a 11 hour day of supporting the NHS, and COVID-19 research companies. I am not a nurse or GP, so I am not front line. Our company has never been busier! We are not revelling in this as the stress we are under is off the scale, and completely unsustainable.

As a white, female, working/middle class, straight, non-religious, law-abiding, and just get on with it person. Oh yes, so I will never be supported by any campaign as I am boringly normal?!

I have done my research and BLM was founded in 2013. Now, unless I've been asleep for seven years I hadn't noticed it, and my friends and colleagues concur. BLM went viral two weeks ago and then protests, statues being ripped down, TV programmes being pulled; I may have missed something. It's complete madness.

ALL lives matter.

BLM has just stirred up a situation with the far right (or vice versa), which we simply do not need at the moment. Have they completely forgotten about social distancing? This will not be helping our (transmission) R-rate.
 
On the whole and in general, I genuinely believe the UK is one of the most diverse and open places in the world to the Black and Ethnic Minorities.

We are often our own worst critics. When, in reality, we as a nation, are one of the leading lights in acceptance and diversity.

It’s a subject which I can’t see and end result too, in any of our lifetimes - so don’t see much point in the angst typed in here.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So in summary...

All Lives Matter -True

Black Lives Matter - True

Saying “Black Lives Matters“ is NOT the same as saying “Only Black Lives Matter” - True

Saying “I’m fed up of hearing about Black Lives Matter” - true for that person. May or may not be a reasonable position to take.

Saying “I’m fed up of listening to White People grumbling about Black People grumbling” - true for that person. May or may not be a reasonable position to take.

So is that where we’re at?
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no, basically three people called Mates a racist.
 
allatseasider said:
Some interesting responses, and politics are obviously filling the void with the lack of football ... well, proper league one football, and our beloved BFC.

I have just returned home following a 11 hour day of supporting the NHS, and COVID-19 research companies. I am not a nurse or GP, so I am not front line. Our company has never been busier! We are not revelling in this as the stress we are under is off the scale, and completely unsustainable.

As a white, female, working/middle class, straight, non-religious, law-abiding, and just get on with it person. Oh yes, so I will never be supported by any campaign as I am boringly normal?!

I have done my research and BLM was founded in 2013. Now, unless I've been asleep for seven years I hadn't noticed it, and my friends and colleagues concur. BLM went viral two weeks ago and then protests, statues being ripped down, TV programmes being pulled; I may have missed something. It's complete madness.

ALL lives matter.

BLM has just stirred up a situation with the far right (or vice versa), which we simply do not need at the moment. Have they completely forgotten about social distancing? This will not be helping our (transmission) R-rate.
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You definitely make some valid points 👍.
In my opinion lets move this off the streets and off social media now and start doing something constructive to change the wrongs that are being reported.
You can’t change things without instances to work with and actually implementing real and solid changes.
The only people who can do this are the people who are being racially wronged in this day and age and the governing bodies and any associations and authorities that are able to implement and police change.
Many of us who don’t experience racism and aren’t racist as individuals can’t do much more until then.
 
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allatseasider said:
Some interesting responses, and politics are obviously filling the void with the lack of football ... well, proper league one football, and our beloved BFC.

I have just returned home following a 11 hour day of supporting the NHS, and COVID-19 research companies. I am not a nurse or GP, so I am not front line. Our company has never been busier! We are not revelling in this as the stress we are under is off the scale, and completely unsustainable.

As a white, female, working/middle class, straight, non-religious, law-abiding, and just get on with it person. Oh yes, so I will never be supported by any campaign as I am boringly normal?!

I have done my research and BLM was founded in 2013. Now, unless I've been asleep for seven years I hadn't noticed it, and my friends and colleagues concur. BLM went viral two weeks ago and then protests, statues being ripped down, TV programmes being pulled; I may have missed something. It's complete madness.

ALL lives matter.

BLM has just stirred up a situation with the far right (or vice versa), which we simply do not need at the moment. Have they completely forgotten about social distancing? This will not be helping our (transmission) R-rate.
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An excellent post. I'll make two contrasting points.
1. As you rightly say, I doubt many people, especially on here, had heard of BLM prior to the last few months. Certainly if they had, well they never raised it on here. But some people always need a bandwagon to jump on and they've jumped on this and suddenly they've become the social conscience of the world. It's never mattered to them for the last seven years.
2. But to counter-act that, it is an important issue and some people might rightly argue that it has to be at the forefront of society and the need for change. And that can be done by keeping it in the spotlight.

I do doubt whether all those so vociferous on here about it now will be quite so in a few months or so. Why? Because like I said, the next bandwagon will have rolled along.
 
Lala said:
You definitely make some valid points 👍.
In my opinion lets move this off the streets and off social media now and start doing something constructive to change the wrongs that are being reported.
You can’t change things without instances to work with and actually implementing real and solid changes.
The only people who can do this are the people who are being racially wronged in this day and age and the governing bodies and any associations and authorities that are able to implement and police change.
Many of us who don’t experience racism and aren’t racist as individuals can’t do much more until then.
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But I think part of the issue is the fact that people who haven’t been on the receiving end of racism aren’t prepared to discuss it.

Without wishing to be inflammatory, what if women wanted to discuss rape, and a load of blokes all grumbled and complained that “women keep going on about it”.

How would you feel then?
 
20togo said:
An excellent post. I'll make two contrasting points.
1. As you rightly say, I doubt many people, especially on here, had heard of BLM prior to the last few months. Certainly if they had, well they never raised it on here. But some people always need a bandwagon to jump on and they've jumped on this and suddenly they've become the social conscience of the world. It's never mattered to them for the last seven years.
2. But to counter-act that, it is an important issue and some people might rightly argue that it has to be at the forefront of society and the need for change. And that can be done by keeping it in the spotlight.

I do doubt whether all those so vociferous on here about it now will be quite so in a few months or so. Why? Because like I said, the next bandwagon will have rolled along.
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And you might also argue that for a long time anti Oyston sentiment was a minority sport.

But then there was a tipping point and it wasn’t.

So was it then a case of people “jumping on a bandwagon”. Or more a case of people “seeing the light”?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
But I think part of the issue is the fact that people who haven’t been on the receiving end of racism aren’t prepared to discuss it.

Without wishing to be inflammatory, what if women wanted to discuss rape, and a load of blokes all grumbled and complained that “women keep going on about it”.

How would you feel then?
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I’m saying it’s time to do more than discuss it. We’ve been discussing it all over social media, on the news and in the streets for a few weeks now:
Now is the time to get the right people involved and start actually‘doing’ something. If not why not?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And you might also argue that for a long time anti Oyston sentiment was a minority sport.

But then there was a tipping point and it wasn’t.

So was it then a case of people “jumping on a bandwagon”. Or more a case of people “seeing the light”?
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Different matter altogether. We all supposedly come on here because of BFC so yes, everyone knew about the Oyston problem. Whichever side of the fence they were on, either at the start, middle or end.
 
bollieboy said:
I've known about BLM for at least 4 years. Surprised people have never heard of it before. Those who hadn't were you aware of Colin Kaepernick or taking the knee protests in the NFL ? A genuine question, I would like to hear how you were not aware of them.
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I think 20's tends to think everyone else is as ignorant as himself 🤣

I mean you'd have had to have been living in a cave for the past decade, not to have heard of BLM surely?
 
bollieboy said:
I've known about BLM for at least 4 years. Surprised people have never heard of it before. Those who hadn't were you aware of Colin Kaepernick or taking the knee protests in the NFL ? A genuine question, I would like to hear how you were not aware of them.
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Yes, I knew about it. It was high profile certainly in the sporting world at the time. But I thought[ I still do] he was an individual making a stance. I can't recall any of his interviews and if he referenced the BLM in them.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think 20's tends to think everyone else is as ignorant as himself 🤣

I mean you'd have had to have been living in a cave for the past decade, not to have heard of BLM surely?
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Yep, but you're a serial protestor. Like I said, any bandwagon to jump on at you like to put yourself at the forefront of it.
 
CalmDown said:
On the whole and in general, I genuinely believe the UK is one of the most diverse and open places in the world to the Black and Ethnic Minorities.

We are often our own worst critics. When, in reality, we as a nation, are one of the leading lights in acceptance and diversity.

It’s a subject which I can’t see and end result too, in any of our lifetimes - so don’t see much point in the angst typed in here.
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You do have a rather apt username! 😀
I entirely agree that the UK is a very diverse nation, of which I would usually be proud.
It's like football fans at a match. You only need a few bad eggs to give the supporters of that team a bad name.
 
20togo said:
Yes, I knew about it. It was high profile certainly in the sporting world at the time. But I thought[ I still do] he was an individual making a stance. I can't recall any of his interviews and if he referenced the BLM in them.
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He was making the stance in support of BLM. Pretty well documented so surprised that didn't resonate.
 
20togo said:
Yep, but you're a serial protestor. Like I said, any bandwagon to jump on at you like to put yourself at the forefront of it.
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I've protested about two things in my entire life...1) Oyston Out 2) Fracking..... So hardly a "serial protestor"...I can't say I've ever viewed being anti racist as a bandwagon that you jump on or off TBH.
 
Lala said:
You definitely make some valid points 👍.
In my opinion lets move this off the streets and off social media now and start doing something constructive to change the wrongs that are being reported.
You can’t change things without instances to work with and actually implementing real and solid changes.
The only people who can do this are the people who are being racially wronged in this day and age and the governing bodies and any associations and authorities that are able to implement and police change.
Many of us who don’t experience racism and aren’t racist as individuals can’t do much more until then.
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Thanks lala.

I don't subscribe to any social media sites such as twitter. This/AVFTT is about as online social as I get and that isn't all that frequent.

Our company closed for about 2 hours while we deciphered the Boris lockdown statement on 23rd March. We were all back in work by about 9:30 the following morning.
 
Lala said:
I’m saying it’s time to do more than discuss it. We’ve been discussing it all over social media, on the news and in the streets for a few weeks now:
Now is the time to get the right people involved and start actually‘doing’ something. If not why not?
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Which is why the government should be implementing the recommendation actions of the three independent reviews already published about discrimination in the country rather than commissioning one of Boris Johnson's team who has already stated that structural racism does not exist to produce another one in however many months time.
 
Macseasider said:
Sick of hearing "all lives matter". That's not what the campaign is FFS.

Why can't people understand it?

A lady gave an analogy on TV the other day. She said imagine all lives is a row of houses. If there is a fire in one of the houses the fire brigade do not need to go into all the houses. BLM is their house and their campaign.
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The analogy is dreadful.

It's all over social media, with the amusingingly supercilious line - "For those who still don't get it!" 😁

The Fire Brigade should go to ALL houses which are on fire, not just ones owned by Blacks.
 
20togo said:
An excellent post. I'll make two contrasting points.
1. As you rightly say, I doubt many people, especially on here, had heard of BLM prior to the last few months. Certainly if they had, well they never raised it on here. But some people always need a bandwagon to jump on and they've jumped on this and suddenly they've become the social conscience of the world. It's never mattered to them for the last seven years.
2. But to counter-act that, it is an important issue and some people might rightly argue that it has to be at the forefront of society and the need for change. And that can be done by keeping it in the spotlight.

I do doubt whether all those so vociferous on here about it now will be quite so in a few months or so. Why? Because like I said, the next bandwagon will have rolled along.
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Thank you 20togo.

It is social media that seems to create the bandwagon, of which I am not part of. These "things" gather at a rate of knots and people of maybe a certain type get caught in the momentum and lose sight, intellect and comprehension, and run with it (not particularly well worded, but you get the gist).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And you might also argue that for a long time anti Oyston sentiment was a minority sport.

But then there was a tipping point and it wasn’t.

So was it then a case of people “jumping on a bandwagon”. Or more a case of people “seeing the light”?
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The Oyston situation is not comparable.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
The analogy is dreadful.

It's all over social media, with the amusingingly supercilious line - "For those who still don't get it!" 😁

The Fire Brigade should go to ALL houses which are on fire, not just ones owned by Blacks.
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No Don. What you’re actually saying is “I wish these blacks would stop banging on about their house being on fire. I know it is but my house is just as important - even though it’s not on fire”.
 
allatseasider said:
I have done my research and BLM was founded in 2013. Now, unless I've been asleep for seven years I hadn't noticed it, and my friends and colleagues concur. BLM went viral two weeks ago and then protests, statues being ripped down, TV programmes being pulled; I may have missed something. It's complete madness.

ALL lives matter.

BLM has just stirred up a situation with the far right (or vice versa), which we simply do not need at the moment. Have they completely forgotten about social distancing? This will not be helping our (transmission) R-rate.
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Your research seems to have overlooked the fact that BLM was a national movement in the USA which only gained widespread international attention following the death of George Floyd.

You seem to want to blame BLM for the actions of every single participant in the worldwide protests, even though BLM is decentralised and doesn’t have a formal hierarchy. You imply that now is not the right time to protest. When is the right time to protest.
 
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Recidivist3 said:
Your research seems to have overlooked the fact that BLM was a national movement in the USA which only gained widespread international attention following the death of George Floyd.
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Thanks for that. Bifster seems to think people in the rest of the world are ignorant because they hadn't heard of BLM that was just a movement in the usa prior to the killing. No surprise many hadn't heard of it then.
Bifster being the serial protestor that he is of course knew all about it.
 
20togo said:
Thanks for that. Bifster seems to think people in the rest of the world are ignorant because they hadn't heard of BLM that was just a movement in the usa prior to the killing. No surprise many hadn't heard of it then.
Bifster being the serial protestor that he is of course knew all about it.
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We've had BLM protests in the UK for at least the last 4 years . 🙄

EDIT - Here You Go!!

www.bbc.co.uk

Hundreds join Black Lives Matter march through London

Hundreds of people have marched on the Houses of Parliament in protest at the killings of two men at the hands of police in the USA.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Yep, BFCx3, which is why I wrote ‘widespread’ 🙃 whilst 20’s just wanted an excuse to bitch - tho he did write ‘many’ to be fair

Not that he needs an excuse 😔
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
That's an Ageist statement!

Are more criminals Black too?

It's also racist discrimination to simply look at someone's else's skin colour and automatically say they must be more privilaged than you.

Mind you, fake lefties thrive on hypocrisy 😁😎🤣
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It's not ageist. It's a fact.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
The analogy is dreadful.

It's all over social media, with the amusingingly supercilious line - "For those who still don't get it!" 😁

The Fire Brigade should go to ALL houses which are on fire, not just ones owned by Blacks.
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Is your suspension over already?. Back on here with your hate filled bile - for now.............
 
Recidivist3 said:
Your research seems to have overlooked the fact that BLM was a national movement in the USA which only gained widespread international attention following the death of George Floyd.

You seem to want to blame BLM for the actions of every single participant in the worldwide protests, even though BLM is decentralised and doesn’t have a formal hierarchy. You imply that now is not the right time to protest. When is the right time to protest.
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What on earth?! I never implied that. The death of George Floyd was shocking. The police officer should be locked away for murder, as ... unless I have missed something, it wasn't an act of self defence.

If this had happened to a white person in Sweden or Australia or Brazil or ANother country, then would there have been the same reaction in the UK or the US? I do wonder as it is unlikely we would have even known as it would not have been reported repeatedly on the news/media as this has, but we are now steering away from the original topic.

BTW - My research included knowing that BLM was founded following the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, and the subsequent acquittal of GZ. I didn't think it necessary to provide a history lesson. We all know how to search via Google.

If we return to my original point then we all matter as we are all equal.
 
allatseasider said:
If we return to my original point then we all matter as we are all equal.
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And therein lies the problem... We're NOT 'All Equal'... Not that, that's something that most of us tend to be concerned about.... So for some of us, the protests are an unwanted distraction, because "far more important things are going on". Of course those "far more important things" are someone elses "unwanted distraction" (Covid 19 included).
 
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Matesrates said:
Just to be clear, I have a black sister in law, two black nephews, in my business, my senior guy was black and remains a close friend. I also worked in both Moss Side and Brixton, so don’t accuse me of being racist. I probably know more about blacks than you do.
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I understand your point but it's not a competition, and no, I don't believe it was your intention to suggest that.
 
IMO this is the sort of thing that BLM is about;

www.bbc.co.uk

'It scared the life out of me'

Neomi Bennett was pulled over by police in a "hard stop" operation and held overnight in a cell.
www.bbc.co.uk

This item is only in the news because the victim is articulate, determined, knew how to use the appeal system and had the means to pursue it. There will be many other similar cases that are unreported. Many white people deny that racism exists in our society and some are on this thread. Others just don't want to hear any more about the racism in our society, they don't really want to examine it too closely because it is for many an uncomfortable subject (myself included).

Here is another example;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273873842444910592

Black MP makes a speech and is then subject to vile racist abuse. This will happen every time she speaks. Why do we live in a society where some people actually do this?

These are just two examples of racism that happens in our country now. To say 'All lives matter' is just to distract from what BLM is really about and an attempt to divide people (as we have seen on this thread).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
No Don. What you’re actually saying is “I wish these blacks would stop banging on about their house being on fire. I know it is but my house is just as important - even though it’s not on fire”.
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No I'm not

You are saying the ONLY house on fire is a Black's Houses 4000 miles away.

We have plenty of problems across ALL communities.

I know you are educated and you aren't stupid.
I cannot fathom your motive except to gleefully stir up shite, which causes division and damages both communities.
 
You are saying the ONLY house on fire is a Black's Houses 4000 miles away.

We have plenty of problems across ALL communities.

I know you are educated and you aren't stupid.
I cannot fathom your motive except to gleefully stir up shite, which causes division and damages both communities.

DKL on his usual Friday night reign of terror. Hardly oil on troubled water.
 
I can’t help thinking if you all thought more rationally you would meet halfway.
There are truths on both sides.
Dismissing everything Don k says just because it’s him makes the debate less credible as some of his points are credible, and backed up by statistics.
Let’s all try to be rational, fair and credible and the debate will follow the same path 👍
 
Lala said:
I can’t help thinking if you all thought more rationally you would meet halfway.
There are truths on both sides.
Dismissing everything Don k says just because it’s him makes the debate less credible as some of his points are credible, and backed up by statistics.
Let’s all try to be rational, fair and credible and the debate will follow the same path 👍
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He’s a 60 year old troll who only turns up late on a weekend evening when he’s had a few pints firing off vitriol and none of his points are credible.
 
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