Anyone else glad to be a lower league club?
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seasideone
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I wanted to become a yo-yo club between the prem and championship for a bit.
Something to play for every year
Obviously once established in the prem though I assumed we would win it
Something to play for every year
Obviously once established in the prem though I assumed we would win it
Wizaard
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Which top teams are they? Those who are snobbish enough to now consider the Premier League to be beneath them? Incidentally based on nothing.
Dave62
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Nope. I will always want my team to play at the highest level possible, irrespective of what the "big clubs" are trying to do. All this breakaway shite isn't down to the players after all.
I would prefer to watch us in the PL, but the championship is far more realistic. Surely it's much better watching sides trying to play, rather than watching Accrington playing a 5 5 0 formation or Gillingham's shithousery tactics earlier in the season?
I would prefer to watch us in the PL, but the championship is far more realistic. Surely it's much better watching sides trying to play, rather than watching Accrington playing a 5 5 0 formation or Gillingham's shithousery tactics earlier in the season?
20togo
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the top teams at the top end of English league football. There's enough people who post on here who despise the PL. I get the point that they despise the greed and the money involved but as a kid I was brought up to love playing and watching football. The money is a secondary issue when it comes to loving the game. That's more important to me than the inverted snobbery of thinking a fan of a lower league club is better than a fan of a PL club.
SeasideKurt
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Our fans have a lack of ambition at the best of times.
I want us in the PL.
I want us in the PL.
Seasiderblock
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You are only as big as the league your in I say let the super six go on condition they are never allowed back and then start again in a few years that super league will have no meaning as who will want to watch Arsenal v Spurs in Japan after a couple of years when neither of those clubs can get into the top half of the table they will come begging to come back
thedevilsadvocate
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I would expel all 6 of them from the prem and promote the top 6 of each league right the way through the pyramid. In doing so anybody can win the Premier league and more teams like us have a fairer chance of getting there !
Wizaard
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Except theyre not the top end of English league football. Leicester anyone? Arsenal could be in the bottom half of the table if Leeds win tonight. Swansea and Wigan have won more silverware than Spurs recently.
td53
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RB Leipzig?
It's not inverted snobbery m8. I wrote 2000 words last night, a large chunk of which were about how, I feel genuinely sorry for the actual supporters of Liverpool etc, who now face possibly seeing their way of live, routines and traditions dumped once and for all in the bin to satiate the international TV audience and the whims of their ownership.
I know multiple fans of these clubs who are appalled and I think several of them are actually envious of the fact I can a)get into a game (outwith covid) with relative ease and without spending the earth because my club hasn't become a tourist destination and b) my club isn't playing chicken with it's membership of the football league right now.
Y'know what. I haven't ever liked the premier league and this, I'm afraid has always been the end game and the likes of the spirit of shankly have been saying so forever and a day.
You sell it out to billionaires from across the globe - what a surprise that they try to take it over for themselves. Who could have guessed?
The fact is, the domestic game is being sliced up for the enrichment of billionaires. It's literally happening now and we're bickering about who is a snob or not?
Never once have I *ever* suggested I have problem with big clubs being being big clubs. Not once. I have a problem when they wield disproportionate power over the rest of the game because of their global TV value. That's manifested itself domestically for the best part of 20 years in results, but now, that's no longer good enough and so here we are.
Expressing a sense of gratitude that our club isn't being fucked over directly isn't akin to saying "I'd rather be in the northwest counties league"
I'm very ambitious. Much more so than many. I want us to *win* the premier league. I want to see a league where money doesn't buy you everything and skill,coaching, bringing on players etc etc does. Money will always be a factor, but it should not (but it is) the defining factor. The record of City, Chelsea etc demonstrates it in black and white.
Said it over and over and over.
All I want is a more exciting football. For everyone. Regardless of who they support. A dose of precariousness for the bored big teams to spice up their lives occasionally. A shaft of light for the also rans. Just a bit more to play for for everyone.
Where's the snobbery?
BFC_53
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I'm not glad to be a lower league club, but I am glad my club is owned by someone who would think a closed shop league would ever be a good idea. This is the crux of the matter, we are talking about playing at the highest level, and that's exactly what this breakaway denies everyone apart from those signed up. What on earth is going to generate the excitement for clubs like Everton and Villa? The chance to play in a second class European competition? It removes most of the incentive for any mid table Premier League club to better themselves, they would really have very little to aspire to. No chance of winning the league, and no chance of playing in elite European competition. How exciting.
20togo
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Oh dear, you're not capable of reading properly. You asked me which top teams are they? I said the top teams at the top end of English league football. I specifcally didn't name any team did I? I want us to play against and compete with the top teams at the top end of English league football. Whoever they are! If you don't want that then you have no ambition for our club.
20togo
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You seem to be totally missing my point. I'm 100% AGAINST the idea of any European Super League and I've been saying that for years on here and even more so more recently. But what Isay is inverted snobbery is those of our fans who don't want us to aspire to be the best we can. And being the best we can is by getting into and competing in the EPL. If you don't want that for our club because you don't like the greed of the EPL then you are accepting and wanting second best for our club. Look at the title of the thread!
Bottle
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It’s true 20’s but does that ambition have to be at the cost that you rarely see a win for your side, I can take the rough with the smooth, but endless weeks of trying to buy a result - I think all Blackpool fans have suffered from that at one time or another.
If playing at the top means your starting point of ambition is to simply avoid relegation so you can go through it all again next season, I’m not sure I would enjoy it as much as playing at Championship level, getting a few home wins and the odd away result, challenging for promotion or play-offs with a good cup run now and then thrown in for good measure, I’d take that over “simply surviving”!
20togo
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Let's face it, we don't even get good cup runs now. But that's by the by.
Look, I'm a realist. What I want and what I get are likely miles apart at this point in time. I get your point about playing in the Championship but that comes with it's perils doesn't it? It's all well and good saying you'd like to be a yo yo club between the Championship and the EPL but there is no guarantee that we can be that is there? We had one good Championship season after our PL but then it was pretty much downhill after that. Sure, we can blame the Oystons but even if they weren't here it's still unlikely we could have made it back.Just have a look at the Championship table now and see how many "big" teams there are in there who all thought they'd have been back in the top division by now. And that inclues the fans of those clubs too. Do you not think there's a frustration there with those fans that every season they think it could be the one that they finally return to the top only to have thair dreams shattered once again. Season after season. So for me, yep, I'd happily at this point in time like to be a Burnley and enjoy a good few seasons at the top. And make no mistake about it, even though Burnley are never gonna compete at the top end of the division they do and are very capable of giving all the teams in there a game.
Wizaard
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And you can't read either. I want my team to be winning every game. I go into every game thinking we can win it, whether that be Rochdale or Liverpool. You can hate all that this latest move entails, and indeed, the way the Premier League totally weighs the balance in favour of certain clubs and still want your team to be winning every game they play. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
There's certainly no inverted snobbery and lack of ambition on my part.
Wizaard
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Unlikely to have made it back? Must have been a mirage that saw us 5 minutes away from at least extra time after battering West Ham.
20togo
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Read what I said. I said one good season after our PL season which was the season you are referring too. And after that then it was pretty much downhill which is what I said. The only mirage is you seeing words which aren't there. Because after that season we haven't come anywhere near close to making it back have we?
Wizaard
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The shutters were well and truly dropped by then. The lack of investment was plain to all when we had 4 subs at Forest, with 2 of them being goalkeepers.
That's why we didn't go close, nothing to do with football reasons at all. Since Sadler has come in, we're immediately in a playoff hunt. Must be a coincidence, and nothing to do with the way the Oystons ran the club. You can only go up in increments. Surely that's obvious.
I'm sure that as and when we return to the Championship, we will have every chance of challenging at the right end because we'll be given that chance.
td53
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Fair enough.
I should rephrase. I'd like to see us win the top flight. Whether it's called 'The Premier League' or not. That's irrelevant to me.
Not trying to misrepresent you and let's not do another 30 post marathon where we mostly disagree...
Tbf mate, I do enjoy them, but not got the stamina right now!
No I'm not personally although I have had some cracking memories over the years I would much prefer us not to have had all this turmoil that started with Bill Cartmel (Chairman) sacking Alan Brown in 1978 when we were 3rd in what is now the championship. Cartmel then took his money and left the club in schtuck.. Thanks to him he destabilised the club and this went on for 40 years.
I have never forgiven that bastard for that. Oyston didn't stabilise the club but he did keep the doors open but then he did what he did and ended up inside (oooh error mrs!) and what happened with Belekon and the money which I still put much of it down to his silly son Karl and his silly son Sam.
I think as fans we are more humble and realistic in our support and it has added to our history but we could have done without all the BS we have had to put up with.
I have never forgiven that bastard for that. Oyston didn't stabilise the club but he did keep the doors open but then he did what he did and ended up inside (oooh error mrs!) and what happened with Belekon and the money which I still put much of it down to his silly son Karl and his silly son Sam.
I think as fans we are more humble and realistic in our support and it has added to our history but we could have done without all the BS we have had to put up with.
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FessParker
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poolseasider
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Only thing I like about being a lower league club in general is not being pissed about with games being moved and changes of Kick off times and let's face it when we get into the Championship that will happen again.
EagleDay
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Are the "shithousery tactics" of the Prem. and Championship more attractive then?
BigHandsOliverKahn
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You don't seem to recognise the difference between wanting to be the best you can before hitting the glass ceiling caused by obscenely uneven money distribution and wanting to be the best can at a level where the ceilings can still be broken through.
During the 78 season the club were again challenging for promotion, but after an argument with chairman Billy Cartmell, on 6 February 1978 Brown was sacked. Cartmell had made remarks in a daily newspaper about Brown's job being on the line despite five-goal home wins in recent games, to which Brown responded by calling the chairman a "back-stabbing rat", which the board felt was unacceptable. After his departure, Blackpool won only one more game, dropped down the table, and were narrowly relegated at the end of the season.
EagleDay
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!00%, Bottle. How much would we be paying every week just to see survival football? Survival football just so we can see 'pool playing so-called top teams? No thanks, not for me. Give me competitive football every time, no matter what the level.
Dave62
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Not at all ED. I dislike "shithousery" at all levels, but as you suggest, it happens in the PL as well.
I stole that term from the Gillingham match thread at the time, as it was used more in that match than any other
I was referring to their conning of the ref, which appears to be simple with the ref's in this division?
As for survival football, that's why I said in my post that the championship is more realistic. After we survived our first season, I felt we were an established Championship side just before and after our PL season.
FessParker
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RUSTY_2_STANDS
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Gary Neville hit the nail on the head when he said the owners of this so called 'Big 6' are imposters. We have Russians, Arabs and Americans who are potentially going to rip up decades of tradition and history in the name of greed. I would doubt there are many fans at all who will agree with this. Even the fans of the Big 6 seem to be united against it.
And I'm not sure there'll be many managers or players who agree with it either.
It was reported on Sky Sports New today that an anonymous board member at one of the clubs has told them that even directors and board members don't want it. It's purely the owners who want it. It also said the owners weren't bothered about the wider affect on the game either. The need for bigger profits was more important.
Imposters who are going to ruin our game, our national sport.
Just like the Oystons were imposters at our club.
And I'm not sure there'll be many managers or players who agree with it either.
It was reported on Sky Sports New today that an anonymous board member at one of the clubs has told them that even directors and board members don't want it. It's purely the owners who want it. It also said the owners weren't bothered about the wider affect on the game either. The need for bigger profits was more important.
Imposters who are going to ruin our game, our national sport.
Just like the Oystons were imposters at our club.
FessParker
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The Blackburn win was our second win in 8 games , the previous week we lost feebly at Bristol Rovers, we weren't going up.
Cartmell was probably frustrated that as a team we had gone backwards from the previous season.
20togo
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I tend to not recognise a lot of what you say, that's for sure. And I'd say that there's plenty of examples throughout the PL of teams being able to compete there and even in this season teams like WHU and Leicester competing with the so called big six for a top four place.
EagleDay
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If they all feel that way about it, The time seems ripe for a few Phoenix clubs to be founded if it takes off.
RUSTY_2_STANDS
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Too true Eagle. A few more FC United of Manchester springing up
20togo
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you talk of competitve football no matter at what level. Burnley won at Liverpool this season. Was that not competitive? Swindon were last seasons division 2 champions I think and are now bottom of L1 and look likely to go back down. Would you call them competitive?. Have Wycombe been competitive in the Championship? Even Rotherham look like coming straight back down. Struggling promoted teams is not exclusive to the EPL!
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As Eagleday pointed out we were 7th.
Fes Parker. You're almost as daft as the real Fez Parker.
FessParker
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tangerine.com
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The more you money have the more you want.
Hevster
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First and foremost I'm just happy we still have our club, so wherever we play nowadays is good with me.
Obviously yes, I would rather we matched ourselves against the best other teams in the country. In an ideal world I'd also like to do it knowing all the teams are there on pure merit. And not because off the pitch their team of marketing and negotiations folk have proved they are the best at getting stupidly rich people and companies to pay fortunes to have them as a play thing or to make their players slap shite face cream on their cheeks. And I don't really want a part of it when a handful are paid a massive wad of cash for taking part in an exclusive competition that the majority will never have a chance at. Sort of takes the competitive part out of it being a competition.
The Premier League I can stomach, just about. Yes there is an exclusive club element there but there is still a chance to get a seat at the lower end of the table. We proved it. Burnley are proving it. Leicester won the damn thing. So I'd rather be playing in it than in the 3rd division, but yes there are times when I hate what the Premier League represents too and am more comfortable with what we have right now.
Obviously yes, I would rather we matched ourselves against the best other teams in the country. In an ideal world I'd also like to do it knowing all the teams are there on pure merit. And not because off the pitch their team of marketing and negotiations folk have proved they are the best at getting stupidly rich people and companies to pay fortunes to have them as a play thing or to make their players slap shite face cream on their cheeks. And I don't really want a part of it when a handful are paid a massive wad of cash for taking part in an exclusive competition that the majority will never have a chance at. Sort of takes the competitive part out of it being a competition.
The Premier League I can stomach, just about. Yes there is an exclusive club element there but there is still a chance to get a seat at the lower end of the table. We proved it. Burnley are proving it. Leicester won the damn thing. So I'd rather be playing in it than in the 3rd division, but yes there are times when I hate what the Premier League represents too and am more comfortable with what we have right now.
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I'm glad I'm not a fan of the six clubs that now consider themselves to be football's version of aristocracy whereby they are given an elevated position in the world based on the exploits of those who went before them.
But I would happily swap our league position with Leicester, West Ham, WBA or Fulham.
I also think we need to remember that UK based fans of the so called top 6 are predominantly against this super league, it is a time for football fans to unite to try to stop this thing happening.
But I would happily swap our league position with Leicester, West Ham, WBA or Fulham.
I also think we need to remember that UK based fans of the so called top 6 are predominantly against this super league, it is a time for football fans to unite to try to stop this thing happening.
Bottle
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I guess they could just be blowing smoke up the PL arse to see if they can screw a few more quids out of them or getting some dispensation not afforded to other PL clubs? Same might be true of the other clubs and their respective leagues.
“If we promise not to rock the boat then we want a bigger cut of money” kind of thing.
I’m with Gary Neville on this, they should suffer a points deduction immediately for going behind everyone’s back - big as they might be they can’t hold football to ransom!
I don't think they should have any more say than any other club in the premier league, the problem we have is that when there is so much money swilling around you attract the worst sort of people. Americans with sports franchises in the USA were always going to try and change our football pyramid into their business model, if they persist I really think we should kick them out and let them have their sterile league where most of the games will be dead rubbers.
I thought Eastbourne and Harrogate were both good cup ties this year.
BlackpoolWolf
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Great chance to reset our game for the good. Level the playing field so that anyone can win each division each year. FA Cup winners go into Champions League. VAR scrapped. We’d have a great product - Leeds, Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Sheffield ....