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Wizaard said:
No. You're analysis of my statement is crazy.

They've done fuck all and yet they're no worse off than us. That shows how abjectly we've managed the situation.
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"That shows how abjectly we've managed the situation." Or does it show this disease is going to take it's toll no matter what we do. Since the beginning, I have held the opinion the only reason for the lockdown is to ease the pressure on the hospitals.
 
Wizaard said:
No, because the vast majority of Chinese restaurants will be owned by people who have been here generations.
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Thanks for volunteering that Wiz.

I am a very tolerant person and do not discriminate, when I fancy a Chinese I just go to a take away and get whatever I fancy regardless of how long the proprietors have been resident in the UK.
 
Clearly the Chinese are responsible for a huge chunk of the death toll. If we say of the 100,000 deaths China is to blame for 55,000 (based this on the figure for German deaths even though Germany has a much bigger population) then butcher Boris is responsible for 45,000 deaths, roughly the same as died in the Blitz. These are appalling numbers.

The thing is what can we do about China? Their economy is bigger than ours and too important internationally to hit with sanctions and as a nuclear power with 1.3 billion people we can't take them on militarily. All we can do is do the best to protect ourselves when they let loose a virus on the world.

On the other hand, we live in a democracy and can criticise and vote out our leaders. This is why a lot of people are a lot keener to blame Johnson rather than China. You can only do anything about what you control.
 
EagleDay said:
"That shows how abjectly we've managed the situation." Or does it show this disease is going to take it's toll no matter what we do. Since the beginning, I have held the opinion the only reason for the lockdown is to ease the pressure on the hospitals.
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Other countries have handled things differently and have much lower death rates, so it does matter what we do, or more pertinently, when we do them.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
On the other hand, we live in a democracy and can criticise and vote out our leaders. This is why a lot of people are a lot keener to blame Johnson rather than China. You can only do anything about what you control.
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So it's all about the politics then, not the disease. As it is for so many others.
 
20togo said:
Yet you say the govt are responsible for all the deaths?.
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I should probably stay out of your ongoing battle with Wiz, I am generally more with you than the great man re the whole Covid debate

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Should the Government not be judged on how well the public behaves in such time ?


Please don't get me wrong, I am fully aware that in our great country we value our freedom and I appreciate that it is far easier for authoritarian regimes to impose restrictions.

I am not commenting on how well - or poorly - our Government has coped during the whole virus, I am just suggesting that there are different ways that democratic countries like our own can impose restrictions/guidelines and that the public behaviour can be influenced by the actions of the Government and that it is possible to judge the Governments performance - how well did they influence public behaviour ?

I certainly agree that the Government has not been helped by the behaviour of some and to be honest, with the benefit of hindsight, I am now questioning my original suggestion of "protect the vulnerable and let the rest of us crack on" because I have serious doubts as to whether enough would have complied with the necessary measures imposed to protect the vulnerable.

I hope that made sense 20's but if not perhaps I could have just said surely the Government plays some part in public behaviour ?
 
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20togo said:
Yet you say the govt are responsible for all the deaths?.
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but no I don't. The care home fiasco was very much the govts fault. What seemed to make some sort of sense in theory was clearly an unmitigated disaster.
 
20togo said:
So it's all about the politics then, not the disease. As it is for so many others.
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How the disease is handled is a question of policy and the failed policies are responsible for about half the deaths. I don't really understand what point you are trying to make.
 
basilrobbie said:
Has it occurred to you that people are critical of the Government BECAUSE they are very concerned about the impact of the disease?

You are debating like a four year old.
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Got ya. So that's why certain posters never comment on the good news threads like the vaccine rollouts. They conveniently skip commenting on those threads. Has that occurred to you? Like I said for some it's all about the politics.
Oh and no personal insult from me back at you.
 
20togo said:
Got ya. So that's why certain posters never comment on the good news threads like the vaccine rollouts. They conveniently skip commenting on those threads. Has that occurred to you? Like I said for some it's all about the politics.
Oh and no personal insult from me back at you.
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I'm new here, who are the certain posters you keep mentioning? As far as I can see, there are politically motivated posts from both sides of the fence.
 
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