Unfortunately I think those boats have sailed.
Unchained Malody
Thought he was pissed and couldn't manage a conversation, yet he out thought them all? What does that say about our negotiators?
Yeah, us old people are just thick
There’s a lot of truth in that… I think a lot of old (and some young) folk are easy targets for grifters like Nige. Certainly very susceptible to the ‘blame the bloke in the corner who looks different’ kind of mentality… the whole low-grade patriotism etc..
And possibly a quick iq test at the polling booth prior just to make sure
I nearly said exactly that… I suppose they should get a positive mark for actually finding their way to the polling station…
How?
There is very little chance of a referendum on the EU in the near future. Do you think the politicians will trust the voters again on a single issue? Anyway, if we did have one it might open the door for the Scots to have another independence vote.
I don't see how we could re-enter even the single market without a referendum
I prefer gullible and easily outraged.
I’m not so sure, I can see momentum gathering on the issue again and I don’t see any alternative, but to have a referendum.
That’s a pretty good plan as long as everybody accepts the result and unites behind the country which is what we should have done the first time
Unbelievable, I was always under the impression you vigorously defended democracy, now you want to exclude older people, who by the way, have contributed as much and more than many. They also have a wealth of knowledge and experience.
We did previously.
I didn’t say I wanted to exclude old people.
It would have been interesting to see where we’d be if there hadn’t been covid and Ukraine.
The same place as we are now, but with a different set of excuses I’d have thought.
"And the EU politburo, the unelected EU Commission bureaucrats,...."
Unfortunately the remaining senior members of the EU will probably have developed a de Gaulle type antipathy towards Britain as being an unreliable partner.
I'm only 43 and I'm stuck on the 2nd one.
Not necessarily, we just don’t know, we could have been worse or better, I guess we’ll never know
Because they wouldn't be impacted in the medium to long term.
The ordinary man on the street should have seen those lies for what they are though, trusting politicians word isn't a very good defence.
They’re all the same, I see Labour have just ditched a Starmer pledge for trans people to self ID. They U turn which ever way they think will earn votes. Nothing to do with what’s in the public interest
It might well be inevitable but it is far from simple. The UK unhitching from the EU boats meant unhitching a privileged position, so re-hitching comes with conditions, ie commit to joining the euro and not having certain veto capabilities, that ONLY the UK had. Re-joining also means that many many UK politicians on all sides of the house have their basic credibility destroyed, also applies to a several of the big mass media organisations and lobby groups like the ERG and various tufton street groups will not lie down easily - so resistance is going to be high form the same small minority of individuals and interested groups that were pushing anti european sentiment for thirty years or more.
To be fair I voted leave as every media outlet and the bookies had it as a remain landslide. So I thought I'd add to the leave vote to bump it up a bit.
So trusting Cameron’s lies was ok then, what I’m saying is you can’t have it both ways, we have to trust politicians who promote politics we like. As I’ve said previously, I don’t trust any of the current crop.
I'm glad someone has put a personal slant on this clusterfuck. Many sympathies @Sven and as someone who also has family in the EU this has also affected us. Being the 90 day rule, the hoops you have to go through to send parcels etc, and the constant stamping of passports with attached delays. As for our plans to spend winter in Spain, we'll forget that.
All of which could be sorted if both parties weren’t so stubborn. They should adopt where there’s a will there’s a way, instead of sticking to their stupid positions to make things difficult for each other. Forget egos, just get it sorted.
No, make your own decisions based on facts, not politics.
That’s it, but us seriously thick oldies can’t think for ourselves apparently, so we have to listen to politicians.
“Politburo” was a tongue-in-cheek comment, I could have used the word “Apparatchik” instead with the same effect and less ideology.
those same questions might eliminate 80% of MP's qualification
If a party puts rejoining the EU as a major upfront commitment into its General Election manifesto and is elected on that basis that is the equivalent to a referendum under our unwritten constitution. That was what Bozo did to go Hard Brexit in 2019. Sturgeon was threatening that for another independence vote; unfortunately there was written law on devolution ruling that out for the SNP.
as much as i think brexit was stupid and we should re-join i cannot see the british public wanting to give up the pound, its just a step too far. And ata technical level in terms of national economic management it makes no sense to give up the pound.