BST meeting with Julian Winter ; October 2023

TwelveAngryMen said:
Three of the four applicants had been or were current BST committee members at the time of their interviews
Three of those four applicants now make up the SLO team - the only one who doesn't is Higgy who is current BST Chair
So for Michael Bolingbroke to have chosen anyone other than an applicant with a BST history would have been fairly unlikely - the ' non-BST affiliated applicant it should be noted hadn't been actively involved in the protest movement in any way and therefore trying to be objective his CV was lighter than the other applicants
That doesn't mean he couldn't have done the job but MB's decision not to prefer him was to me logical
But Phil knows all this from the last thread on the same topic
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Maybe you should have re advertised the role then

Much better than just appointing your mate
 
GeoffBFC said:
As I see it, Simon Sadler has decided that the club and it's officials will no longer communicate with The Muckers. He obviously has his reasons and as he owns the club then the current status is likely to remain. I am not a member of any supporters group but trust BST far more than I do The Muckers.
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If that's the case then ok say it

Much better than just telling lies like BST and the SLO have been doing
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
So you dont know for sure yet pulled me up for my post
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You said he left out questions. He has said he doesn't.

Questions are submitted in advance to the club in order for them to give considered answers.

That's why I pulled you up on it, and the meetings have all finished before all questions were answered.

You keep putting up issues that simply don't exist.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
It was advertised extensively How many people want to do 20+hrs of unpaid work each week
The Club were lucky to have four applicants IMO
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Keep going until you find a suitable independent candidate then

Steve Rowlands was always going to be scrutinised based on his BST connections

To be frank you have probably let the man down by even giving him the role
 
Wizaard said:
You said he left out questions. He has said he doesn't.

Questions are submitted in advance to the club in order for them to give considered answers.

That's why I pulled you up on it, and the meetings have all finished before all questions were answered.

You keep putting up issues that simply don't exist.
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He does and I know that as fact

I remember a thread on this very site last season when I but it out to posters on this board on what they wanted asking

Very little got asked

Granted we were bear the bottom of the league at the time in a truly awful season but that's when the difficult questions should be asked

Not all this nice as pie beige stuff that goes on

Anyway you are so entrenched in your views and intolerant of anybody else's opinion that there is very little point in me discussing anything with you

"Fuck the Tories and everything at Blackpool fc is absolutely brilliant"

That should be your profile
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Three of the four applicants had been or were current BST committee members at the time of their interviews
Three of those four applicants now make up the SLO team - the only one who doesn't is Higgy who is current BST Chair
So for Michael Bolingbroke to have chosen anyone other than an applicant with a BST history would have been fairly unlikely - the ' non-BST affiliated applicant it should be noted hadn't been actively involved in the protest movement in any way and therefore trying to be objective his CV was lighter than the other applicants
That doesn't mean he couldn't have done the job but MB's decision not to prefer him was to me logical
But Phil knows all this from the last thread on the same topic
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And there it is, the start of BST positioning people with influence
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
He does and I know that as fact

I remember a thread on this very site last season when I but it out to posters on this board on what they wanted asking

Very little got asked

Granted we were bear the bottom of the league at the time in a truly awful season but that's when the difficult questions should be asked

Not all this nice as pie beige stuff that goes on

Anyway you are so entrenched in your views and intolerant of anybody else's opinion that there is very little point in me discussing anything with you

"Fuck the Tories and everything at Blackpool fc is absolutely brilliant"

That should be your profile
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tbf that's a good profile to aspire to😂
 
Adams Kebab said:
Well it’s equally as daft as you saying nobody takes the MSG seriously (you might not but loads do) or Stone Island should sell tinfoil hats…

A grown man an all 😴🫣
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Have you even been reading some of the nonsense posted on here supposedly coming from the MSG ?? If it is from the MSG and that is their world view then it’s pretty fair to say their attitude towards BST borders on that of a conspiracy theorist. And also why the club - rightfully in my mind - isn’t engaging with them as they can’t possibly be seen as a serious group representing anyone other than troublemakers and halfwits.

That being said - I know for a fact there are some very lovely, decent, generous and bright people within the MSG, and there are no doubt some cretinous halfwits within the BST numbers too.

But as organisations go - BST are currently operating as reasonable, functioning, constituted, democratic organisation serving a very clear purpose in an appropriately transparent manner - whereas the MSG look like a bunch of mates in a pub shouting what they want across the bar and hoping they get it. And when they not they’re kicking off with everyone - including the nice old fella doing his crossword.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Have you even been reading some of the nonsense posted on here supposedly coming from the MSG ?? If it is from the MSG and that is their world view then it’s pretty fair to say their attitude towards BST borders on that of a conspiracy theorist. And also why the club - rightfully in my mind - isn’t engaging with them as they can’t possibly be seen as a serious group representing anyone other than troublemakers and halfwits.

That being said - I know for a fact there are some very lovely, decent, generous and bright people within the MSG, and there are no doubt some cretinous halfwits within the BST numbers too.

But as organisations go - BST are currently operating as reasonable, functioning, constituted, democratic organisation serving a very clear purpose in an appropriately transparent manner - whereas the MSG look like a bunch of mates in a pub shouting what they want across the bar and hoping they get it. And when they not they’re kicking off with everyone - including the nice old fella doing his crossword.
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The last thing we need is for a large group of younger fans feeling that they are disenfranchised from the Club.

So it’s important that the Club does whatever it possibly can to keep good communication lines open. I think the talk of constitutions and what have you are unnecessary though. I think younger people would tend to shy away from that kind of rigid structure really.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The last thing we need is for a large group of younger fans feeling that they are disenfranchised from the Club.

So it’s important that the Club does whatever it possibly can to keep good communication lines open. I think the talk of constitutions and what have you are unnecessary though. I think younger people would tend to shy away from that kind of rigid structure really.
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Rigid structures are about control really. There's no real need for most supporters' groups to go down that road. But some degree of membership and organisation is sensible. I think our various exile groups manage this quite well.
 
Loco said:
Rigid structures are about control really. There's no real need for most supporters' groups to go down that road. But some degree of membership and organisation is sensible. I think our various exile groups manage this quite well.
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They do, but for different reasons. Exiles groups from what I see are social groups- likeminded people etc for travel, meets and social get togethers. They are not policy making driven.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
So this is the way it is now BST going off and having another meeting with the club without involvement from any other fans group?

So much for wider dialogue with the fanbase

That's 2 meetings now with the club with no other fans group involved

Dont tell me the club and the SLO are still trying to finalise affiliates, charters and associations whilst waiting for the government white paper and feedback from the FSA
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You are ignorant beyond words!
 
fcblackpool said:
They do, but for different reasons. Exiles groups from what I see are social groups- likeminded people etc for travel, meets and social get togethers. They are not policy making driven.
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Are any supporters groups making policy? Or are they acting as influencers?
[With a few exceptions like Exeter City].
 
I used to think the majority on here were Blackpool fans,now i’m not so sure.I must also be getting old now or something as i find myself agreeing with the majority of what Phil bfc deux says,which never used to happen.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
It was advertised extensively How many people want to do 20+hrs of unpaid work each week
The Club were lucky to have four applicants IMO
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You'd struggle to get a solicitor to do 20 minutes of unpaid work.


*** AVFTT Caveat - The above was a joke, albeit a poor one. I know that Tim has done plenty to help posters on this forum whenever he can. I apologise to Tim and all other posters who were offended on his behalf ***
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
He does and I know that as fact

I remember a thread on this very site last season when I but it out to posters on this board on what they wanted asking

Very little got asked

Granted we were bear the bottom of the league at the time in a truly awful season but that's when the difficult questions should be asked

Not all this nice as pie beige stuff that goes on

Anyway you are so entrenched in your views and intolerant of anybody else's opinion that there is very little point in me discussing anything with you

"Fuck the Tories and everything at Blackpool fc is absolutely brilliant"

That should be your profile
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"Fuck the Tories and everything at Blackpool fc is absolutely brilliant"


Wiz

As much as I love you he does have a good point but it's a bit of a mouthful so I'll stick to Wiz for now.
 
Loco said:
Rigid structures are about control really. There's no real need for most supporters' groups to go down that road. But some degree of membership and organisation is sensible. I think our various exile groups manage this quite well.
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Loco

Of course rigid structures are about control.

There is no doubt that BST pay more attention to governance and doing things properly than the other organisations but they are certainly not as democratic as they would have you believe.

It would appeat that they are more interested in being seen to do things the right way than in actually doing things the right way.
 
GJJW said:
I haven't said anything about the MSG!
Also, as long as Robbie is only helping out from an admin point if view then yes, I have no real issue with him not being elected. Rather him writing up minutes than me!
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GJJW

I'm not interested in any of the mushroom b0110x etc, etc but I think it would be fair to say that the BST secretary is not "only helping out from an admin point of view" ?

I don't know whether or not you agree with that but if you agree then are you then suggesting that the BST secretary should have been democratically elected ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
But you could equally say that about the MSG surely?

You’ve had more influence and got more special treatment and access than any other group.

The Club has gone over and above …
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Rubbish.... It was The MSG that went over and above giving the club special treatment and access. It's the fans' club, nobody else's, even Mr Sadler recognises that. Perhaps the fumes from your motor home have knocked your equilibrium out of kilter ...
 
CSSeasider said:
How old are your sons TS? BST have asked for 16-30 year old Blackpool fans to get involved with the formation of a youth advisory board. It's already gaining momentum and is for the representation of younger supporters across the fan base. If your sons have opinions that they want to share and would like to see things done differently and have direct input, maybe they could get involved?
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Christine, can BST rethink the name “youth advisory board”? I’m sure it makes sense within a framework agreement but when I was a young supporter I wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with something called ‘youth advisory’.

If the Muckers are selling their brand on Twitter (Facebook is a bit old older generation) or even TikTok / Insta then they’ve tapped into the zeitgeist better.
 
Fiduciary said:
No they're not hahahahaha ... That's a good one though 🤣
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Sounded to me like 9000 fans chanting Neil Critchleys tangerine army at the games?
Watch the videos of the north stand in unison.
Even the end of the game joining in the fist pump.

I’m sure there’s a small group refusing to enjoy those moments for some weird reason, as they’d prefer to see the manager fail as he wasn’t their choice.
 
Fiduciary said:
Rubbish.... It was The MSG that went over and above giving the club special treatment and access. It's the fans' club, nobody else's, even Mr Sadler recognises that. Perhaps the fumes from your motor home have knocked your equilibrium out of kilter ...
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You’re right, it is the Fans’ Club and that’s something as individuals we all need to bear in mind. None of us, whether that be Simon Sadler, the MSG, BST or any other, has a right to impose its will to the detriment of the Club and the majority of Fans.

This Club existed before any of us and it will exist long after we’re all gone. We each have an equal duty of care.

Clinging on to hatred, past battles, old wounds…creating unnecessary rifts with people who collectively fought as hard as anyone to get our club back… Not allowing other decent groups the freedom to pursue their reasonable and peaceful objectives without harassment and proliferation of hate… All of this is damaging our Club and it’s not what Blackpool Fans (barring a small minority) want to see.

The MSG is a fantastic organisation and you can be an inspiration and role model for the younger generation to look up to, but that comes with a lot of personal responsibility. We need you to be pulling in the same direction as everyone else, instead of unpicking all the seams.
 
Chunkylad said:
Christine, can BST rethink the name “youth advisory board”? I’m sure it makes sense within a framework agreement but when I was a young supporter I wouldn’t have wanted anything to do with something called ‘youth advisory’.

If the Muckers are selling their brand on Twitter (Facebook is a bit old older generation) or even TikTok / Insta then they’ve tapped into the zeitgeist better.
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I think this is the problem @Chunkylad. BST are trying to do the right thing by encouraging input from younger supporters, but I read that the same as you.

I have a vision in my head of the type of ‘youth’ that BST will attract and unfortunately the profile is going to fit into the ‘nerdy anorak’ types. Of course, it’s important that those kids have an voice too, but it’s not really representative.

I honestly can’t see how BST might develop into that area. In fact in many ways a closer working relationship with the MSG might have been a sensible way forward really.

It’s a real shame that these two groups can’t find a way to work together for the greater benefit of the Club. In many ways they compliment each other and could draw the best out in each other.
 
Loco said:
There's a big difference between making policy and trying to influence it.
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Of course there is, but weren't not talking Government, just a community FC where meetings aren't just about the giving and receiving of information, but discussions to make the Club better.

At this level perhaps 'policy' can be replaced with decisions for clarity. Although in my mind they are essentially the same thing. And if a SG goes into a meeting without seeking to influence policy/decisions/what the club does then they shouldn't be there.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
GJJW

I'm not interested in any of the mushroom b0110x etc, etc but I think it would be fair to say that the BST secretary is not "only helping out from an admin point of view" ?

I don't know whether or not you agree with that but if you agree then are you then suggesting that the BST secretary should have been democratically elected ?
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No I don't agree with you. I've been told that is his role and I have no reason to doubt the people who told me that.
 
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