TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
To be honest Vince I’m not sure it’s the role of BST to provide a blow by blow commentary on the season
There’s enough of that on here
BST statement
- Thread starter BlackpoolSupportersTrust
- Start date
There’s enough of that on here
Hertsseasider
Well-known member
A couple of points.
This should have been held back until the end of the season, smacks of look at me. We are all still raw from last night.
Also, when I think of BST, I think Fans led review and not much else I'm afraid.
Sorry Robbie.
This should have been held back until the end of the season, smacks of look at me. We are all still raw from last night.
Also, when I think of BST, I think Fans led review and not much else I'm afraid.
Sorry Robbie.
TwelveAngryMen
Well-known member
The fact BST have had a significant role there shouldn’t be perceived as a negative should it ?
Jeez we were at the vanguard because we went toe to toe with the worst of owners not that long ago and we set the precedent as to what the fanbase should do
That doesn’t mean that’s the sole focus of the trust There are plenty of committee members and many initiatives
Jeez we were at the vanguard because we went toe to toe with the worst of owners not that long ago and we set the precedent as to what the fanbase should do
That doesn’t mean that’s the sole focus of the trust There are plenty of committee members and many initiatives
Wizaard
Well-known member
Great postWe all support BFC apart from the odd one on here - what choice have we got?
We have an owner with the right intentions who is about as far away from the Vermin that is imaginable.
What I do know is that being a Blackpool fan is never boring - unlike being a knobber!
I have seen us apply for re-election and I have seen us top of the Premiership.
Of course I wish we had stayed up - but Blackpool till I die
Mark_GT
Well-known member
It's nothing of the sort really Herts, and be honest, our season ended to all intents and purposes last night. Inaccurately singling out one person by name is unfair.
Here's a story. We had a brilliant response to the statement today from an anonymous donor, who has already been sponsoring extra mascots this season and has pledged to continue next season because they believe in giving kids the day out of their young lives and at the same time turning them on to BFC. In essence, doing something both generous and positive, the kind of act I would characterise as typical of our generous Blackpool FC support base.
bleach51
Well-known member
Mexboroseasider
Well-known member
Fantastic
But to be fair to Herts, that’s just the sort of news that should be put out there and repeated. And repeated. And repeated.The Football governance stuff is important and yes we should be proud of the role BST has played. But I think it’s fair to say that it seems more prominent in the public eye than all the other BST initiatives.
There’s a balance to be found between local/community and national. And if you’ve already found it, then the local needs to be shouted about.
Seasidestevo71
Well-known member
Top post
Mark_GT
Well-known member
Hopefully considerably more to follow Mex as the 53 Sweepstake good causes pot grows and allows more scope for practical action. Supporting good causes, football related engagement and the local community isn't just a BST thing either. The Community Trust are already doing unbelievable work and the Armfield and MSG seem to have something inspiring going on all the time. Witness the 24hr tyre flip Callum Howarth, one of the Armfield regulars did recently to raise funds and awareness around dementia. Nearly six grand he raised. Makes you proud to be a Seasider. Whatever division we're in we will hopefully always have that extra something special about usFantastic
The Football governance stuff is important and yes we should be proud of the role BST has played. But I think it’s fair to say that it seems more prominent in the public eye than all the other BST initiatives.
There’s a balance to be found between local/community and national. And if you’ve already found it, then the local needs to be shouted about.
Hertsseasider
Well-known member
Fair comment mate but I know the person better than you, with respect and lts become a one horse pony.
BST should have been all other this all season not just now.
No problem though, keep up the good work but please make it more BFC than Newcastle, etc.
Ping Pong
Well-known member
Give your head a wobble, idiotic post!
tangysider
Well-known member
My ignore list is getting quite full, is there, a max number?
AngelBFC
Well-known member
No one
AlternativeSeaside
Well-known member
someone who uses the phrase “give your head a wobble” describing a conflicting opinion as idiotic
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
That's why I'd take MRW back he always influenced pretty well on the player front. Wes Hoolahan a great example, and his contacts would be better than Mansfords who spent the last few years out of country.
AlternativeSeaside
Well-known member
I’ve been calling for SS to get a DOF who knows what the fuck he’s on about all season, the fact that he hasn’t imo is neglecting his responsibilities and because of this I am questioning his ownership.
I have also said all season that I suspect a contributing factor for Critchley leaving was the lack of football nouse and or a change in the level of ambition within the club.
I sincerely hope that Sadler does turn it around and quick but I ain’t holding my breath…
Bloomers123Be bop deluxe
Well-known member
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune
Well-known member
Seriously? As bad as each other? How can you compare an asset stripping rapist with an owner who is funding the club?
AlternativeSeaside
Well-known member
I could compare them this morning because I was in a somewhat flippant mood and hungover to fuck
See above for a more reasoned musing
Phil_bfc deux
Well-known member
It's just words for words sake
The season hasn't even finished yet, yet this is some sort of 'look at me plea for patience'
Reading the statement has actually made me decide to not renew my membership
Last edited:
Southshoresteve
Well-known member
It’s the first time since it’s inception that I’m not renewing by BST Membership.
They do some great work and have some good people on board who put in a lot of time and effort but I get the impression recently that they are too close to the club hierarchy to actually hold them to account.
It’s important to foster a close working relationship but it’s a bit too pally for my liking now.
They do some great work and have some good people on board who put in a lot of time and effort but I get the impression recently that they are too close to the club hierarchy to actually hold them to account.
It’s important to foster a close working relationship but it’s a bit too pally for my liking now.
Last edited:
Lewis_Winthorpe
Well-known member
Ditto
Loco
Well-known member
Want wes recommended by Paul Tierney whid just signed.
Seasider1
Well-known member
Correct, a sons friend of mine brought his wife to the game tonight. Block B in the North cost £32 for the ticket.
For the sake of keeping supporters and attracting new ones the ticket pricing does have to be addressed to a realistic cost for league one football. Looking at them lot down the road and Blackburn that could possibly be playing premier league football next season our pricing structure has to take note.
Blackpool_Rox
Well-known member
According to 1sports1 BFC spent just over £5m and were 23rd with only Rotherham spending less on wages in the 22/23 season. Link below.
EFL Championship 2022-23: All 24 Clubs Ranked On Wage Bill - 1SPORTS1
In this article, we have the Championship clubs ranked on the wage bill. Even though there is a huge difference in the money spent
www.1sports1.com
Not sure accurate these figures are - a few other sites give different figures but they are in general agreement that Rotherham Coventry Blackpool and Luton had the smallest budgets.
Rather than having the best hand of cards its all about playing the cards the best way we can - Luton are a good example + I wonder where we were in the wages league table when we achieved promotion in 2009 / 2010 season …..
Fields-Of-Gold
Well-known member
The junior shirts project was a disaster. The money spent on this by the trust was a complete waste of resource and poorly thought out. The target area of it was wrong and was never going to be a gain for BFC.All
after last night's disappointment, BST have released a statement which appears on our website .You can view it here :
BST STATEMENT : END OF SEASON
This note to Blackpool supporters is written at the close of what has been a desperately disappointing season.www.blackpoolsupporterstrust.com
We have 2 prominent supporters groups.
MSG - will help anyone if asked and go all out without hesitation. Doesn't matter about opinion, they will help.
BST - Cherry pick who they represent.
They dither for weeks in committee stage with everything...Yes sometimes that's needed, but sometimes you react swiftly to assist the fanbase with all problems no-matter who they are.
Happy Sunday
Sooty59
Well-known member
BST bashing
they are on our side you know.
Seasider53
Well-known member
Looking at the BST News page only 20% of content is about National and Fan led review issues
Plenty on Mascot packages, paying for youth teams to attend, sponsorship of the BFC Girls and ladies ......................
Plenty on Mascot packages, paying for youth teams to attend, sponsorship of the BFC Girls and ladies ......................
JJpool
Well-known member
Why was the shirts a disaster?The junior shirts project was a disaster. The money spent on this by the trust was a complete waste of resource and poorly thought out. The target area of it was wrong and was never going to be a gain for BFC.
We have 2 prominent supporters groups.
MSG - will help anyone if asked and go all out without hesitation. Doesn't matter about opinion, they will help.
BST - Cherry pick who they represent.
They dither for weeks in committee stage with everything...Yes sometimes that's needed, but sometimes you react swiftly to assist the fanbase with all problems no-matter who they are.
Happy Sunday
Phil_bfc deux
Well-known member
Well one of the reasons was that there weren't any available to buy at Christmas
It was impossible for fans to purchase them as they were all given away
Absolutely no thought given to exiled fans
Fields-Of-Gold
Well-known member
How many of these young school junior school children have attended a match? Remember their parents have to bring them and spend the money on tickets etc.
How many of these children still have a shirt that fits them - None
What's the follow up Data BST please
Simonized
Well-known member
Giving shirts out to random kids whose parents most likely have no affiliation with the club is like pouring money down the drain.
Fields-Of-Gold
Well-known member
Exactly
JJpool
Well-known member
The stock levels clearly should have been thought about given this initiative, they obviously weren't, however I'm more interested in the initiative itself, it's harder to measure success of it.
JJpool
Well-known member
That's the point it's hard to say what impact its had, it's unlikely to get hundreds of kids who didn't care before and have parents supporting other sides to rush down instantly, but I'd view it as a step in putting Blackpool fc into the minds of the community.How many of these young school junior school children have attended a match? Remember their parents have to bring them and spend the money on tickets etc.
How many of these children still have a shirt that fits them - None
What's the follow up Data BST please
Whether doing this or just upping it's presence in the community in other ways, it's something that needs to happen.
I've been saying to leaflet drop the area. It may be that if such a good deal for new fans was done, that some who received a shirt decide to give it a go. Its hard to say how much 'advertising' affects people when we don't know their thoughts before.
Either way it'll take time, an attractive price point and some relative success preferably to attract new fans from the area.
I don't mind that they gave this a go.
Tangerinenick
Well-known member
keep up the great work and a big thank you for work already done
Fields-Of-Gold
Well-known member
seasideone
Well-known member
JJ - you have mentioned this before, why not contact BST and ask them to fund a few thousand leaflets and get a team together to distribute them?
You could even help design them and decide what content you want to push, season tickets etc
I am sure a few off here would help distribute theM as well - the club may even give BST the money to get all the leaflets printed!!!
Just a thought???
JJpool
Well-known member
But with a blanket operation like this you will get that, in the hope that some come along or at least have a stronger bond with Blackpool fc and whoknows in the future.
We could be doing well and some people then fancy coming to Wembley or a joke playoff game let's say who wouldnt before, then are fans from there.
It might also be finding some people who don't have affiliations with other clubs but just haven't been, or kids that do like Blackpool and want their parents are them.
You will get all sorts of circumstances, but putting BFC into the minds of the community, not just by this initiative, but a prolonged campaign, will reap some benefits eventually.
JJpool
Well-known member
Not really.Green lighted to waste more
Congratulations JJ
How as the money raised?
If you have any other ideas foe thr next initiative let them know.
basilrobbie3
Well-known member
Just a couple of points (personal views) :
a) on the shirts initiative - the whole project was launched with the intention of the kids getting the shirts in time for the start of the new school year - in September. The delay was caused by supply side problems due to COVID in the Far East, and (from memory), I think there were problems at Suez as well due to the tanker blockage. Not really within the control of club or Trust
b) on the statement more generally, I think it would be a bit odd if the Trust didn't have anything to say about something as important as relegation. It's a big thing for everybody, especially Mr. Sadler. We all know that the club is getting more than its fair share of pretty intemperate criticism at the moment ; we just wanted to put out something that makes it clear that for us the work of working with and for club, fans and community is just as important as ever. It will go on in as many ways as we can manage, seven of which were listed, but hopefully there will be plenty more. Everyone can help us to do that, and all support is very welcome.
As I think Tim may have said, the statement has certainly resonated with some people ; enough people have signed up for the Sweepstake in the last 24 hours to pay for two mascot packages next season. That is two kids getting a day to remember, two possible fans for life, two pleased and proud families and a few extra quid for our club. All things that in recent Surveys our fans have said that they wanted us to deliver.
a) on the shirts initiative - the whole project was launched with the intention of the kids getting the shirts in time for the start of the new school year - in September. The delay was caused by supply side problems due to COVID in the Far East, and (from memory), I think there were problems at Suez as well due to the tanker blockage. Not really within the control of club or Trust
b) on the statement more generally, I think it would be a bit odd if the Trust didn't have anything to say about something as important as relegation. It's a big thing for everybody, especially Mr. Sadler. We all know that the club is getting more than its fair share of pretty intemperate criticism at the moment ; we just wanted to put out something that makes it clear that for us the work of working with and for club, fans and community is just as important as ever. It will go on in as many ways as we can manage, seven of which were listed, but hopefully there will be plenty more. Everyone can help us to do that, and all support is very welcome.
As I think Tim may have said, the statement has certainly resonated with some people ; enough people have signed up for the Sweepstake in the last 24 hours to pay for two mascot packages next season. That is two kids getting a day to remember, two possible fans for life, two pleased and proud families and a few extra quid for our club. All things that in recent Surveys our fans have said that they wanted us to deliver.
Maybe BST should concentrate their resources on initiatives which DO have easily-measured impact? Not this twaddle.
Phil_bfc deux
Well-known member
That's clearly not a personal view aren't you the BST secretary?
seasideone
Well-known member
Yes he is, but he is writing it as his view and not a view from the BST Committee.
In reality you would expect the views to be close together, but there is a clear difference.
Edit to add: by difference I mean which hat he has on, and not necessarily the views.
basilrobbie3
Well-known member
I am. And the first point in my post was a response to a question you raised.
Simonized
Well-known member
I would bet 90% of them went to kids from deprived backgrounds and even if their parents are Blackpool born and bred you still have to overcome parent apathy and the willingness to be bothered to go themselves and that's on top of the cost.
Perhaps they could put the shirt on eBay to fund the cost of going to a match then it might work.
Unless you can directly incentivise the parents it's never going to work.....
Dress it up how you like but it's a marketing disaster on so many levels and the people who came up with the idea should think a bit more about how they spend other people's money.
I won't be renewing when my membership runs out.
Phil_bfc deux
Well-known member
So how is it a personal view?
Didn't you also write the statement that we are discussing?
JJpool
Well-known member
Well they are on here so can see this surely.
Also it needs the club to push an initiative such as this.
We have no idea the prices, we don't even know if they want to do this. If they don't go with a lower priced strategy they'll be nothing worth leaflet dropping.
It's up to them, in conjunction with supporter groups, to design leaflets, although it's not hard to do, but they have a marketing department, they won't outsource to some bloke on a forum.
If an initiative ever gets off the ground I'm sure @basilrobbie3 and @BlackpoolSupportersTrust will glady get involved.
If volunteers for delivering are required I'd do some.
BST have already called for cheaper tickets, so it all rests with the club.
What I'm proposing isn't rocket science, the nobbers did it recently, but you have to have a deal worth selling.
JJpool
Well-known member
Well all I'm saying is we have no idea the impact it's had or may have, everyone is guessing. A kid could remember wearing a pool shirt even if their parents don't take them and in some years time, they attend games. It may have brought some kids in with parents.
Was it cost effective, no idea.
It wasn't my money so I'm not really bothered, to me of it gets a small % of new fans over time then all good.
Although there may be better ways.
It probably is better to concentrate on thing that directly get people to see the product, aka in the stadium, then be fans from there on.