Civil Servants

CalmDown

Well-known member
Ok, so...

What’s the most consistent entity in ANY Governing power in the United Kingdom?

Who “advises the MP’s”?

Senior/Junior Civil Servants - regardless of which political spectrum is in power...

So,

What “blame” or “emphasis” can be based on these types?

If you believe the rabid types on here, Boris is to blame for EVERYTHING, or Cummings...

But, hang on? What about the Civil Service, who advise, coordinates Government policy, writes papers, Government protocol and procedures?

How are these types not held to account?

Did these types always and irrefutably “back the right horse”?

For me; YES, Presiding Governorship is accountable...

But let’s ALL remember, the same self serving Civil Servants presides over WHATEVER Government is in power... and often leads the way they Govern...

Or, shall we, all just blame Boris 🤔

For me, The Civil Service, have questions to answer...

Think about it 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

CalmDown

Well-known member
Ok, so...

What’s the most consistent entity in ANY Governing power in the United Kingdom?

Who “advises the MP’s”?

Senior/Junior Civil Servants - regardless of which political spectrum is in power...

So,

What “blame” or “emphasis” can be based on these types?

If you believe the rabid types on here, Boris is to blame for EVERYTHING, or Cummings...

But, hang on? What about the Civil Service, who advise, coordinates Government policy, writes papers, Government protocol and procedures?

How are these types not held to account?

Did these types always and irrefutably “back the right horse”?

For me; YES, Presiding Governorship is accountable...

But let’s ALL remember, the same self serving Civil Servants presides over WHATEVER Government is in power... and often leads the way they Govern...

Or, shall we, all just blame Boris 🤔

For me, The Civil Service, have questions to answer...

Think about it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Bearing in mind - This forum has even had the odd senior and junior type of Civil Servant - Who thought The Oyston regime was the best entity for Blackpool Football Club.

The point is, how wrong they were in their judgement.

What’s to say their judgement on advising, and their development and implementation of Government policy, was as times, as ill judged as their support of the Oyston regime?
Can we blame Blair, Boris, Maggie etc - for their inept judgement? On every occasion, bar none?
 
Last edited:

CalmDown

Well-known member
When things go tits up let’s blame the civil servants 👍
No, not at all.

But, as someone who works in the Public Sector, let’s not absolve any questioning or blame, from those who are behind every Government we’ve had.

Unless you are that blinkered, unaware and biased to assume the Civil Service doesn’t have a role to play alongside any Government in power?
 

EPM46

Well-known member
So, was it the civil servants who advised inept, incompetent PM to attend Twickenham and shake hands with all and sundry and to miss 5 Cobra meetings about the pandemic and to delay lockdown until it was too late and to discharge hospital patients back to care homes without testing? I would suggest all those things lie at the feet of the blustering idiot!
 

1966_and_all_that

Well-known member
OK, I'll lead from the CS cohort.
The OP makes one key mistake: a civil servant can be found to be inefficient, ineffective or even dull and moved sideways. A civil servant can be found to have broken the rules of their employment and can be demoted or sacked. However, no civil servant is responsible for Govt. policy - that responsibility lies with Government Ministers who, in the case of all Departmental Heads, are elected as MPs by the public. They cannot be sacked or moved sideways by the civil service. They are only answerable to the Prime Minister.
Put simply, the civil service advise, Government Ministers decide.
 

CalmDown

Well-known member
About what? Everything in general, or do you have a specific gripe?
No, in general. The Civil Service advise, and develop and implement Government policy, for whoever the presiding Government is...

I just feel they are not absolute of questioning for their accountability.
 
Last edited:

Plumbs

Well-known member
I think if they were trademen they'd be plumbers.Doing all the dirty work that no-one else wants to do but being suitably rewarded financially,and of course drinking all the tea and biscuits you can during the working day.
 

1966_and_all_that

Well-known member
Correct. But why can’t they be held to account as Government ministers are?

After all, many of these types were advising Labour and Conservative ministers alike.
Because - as I've said above - they don't take decisions and they are not elected.
Take the plumber analogy. If you employ a plumber to do a job and she balls up, that is her responsibility and she is financially liable. If you say to a mate, who is a plumber, "how should I do this?" and she advises you but you do the job and cock up, that is your problem, not hers.
 

tangerinenotorange

Well-known member
Is there anybody Boris Johnson and his sycophants haven't blamed yet?
Apart from themselves, obviously.
The PM is one man. He can do no more than one man can do. Almost all the government's work is done by civil servants and ministers. Only Boris receives the blame and as leader of the government he has to accept responsibility for decisions made by senior civil servants, scientists etc. The cat from Herts and her lickspittles seem to have trouble grasping the concept of how governments govern.
 

Bennys_was_a_mob

Well-known member
The top civil servants are busy trying to blame Jo public. They've "advised" they've "insisted" they've "demanded" on each and every decision to such an extent that now it would seem that if you catch C-19 it'll be your own fault.
 
Top